TX TX - Alan White, 55, seen leaving LA Fitness, found deceased, Dallas, 22 Oct 2020 #4

[Bridger]

Anyone know how long it usually takes to get an official cause and manner of death?

 

[evilwise]

I think the partner/spouse is nearly always LE's first person to rule out, no matter the relationship dynamics.

What was your initial estimation, if you don't mind?

I'm not referring to the authorities, I mean the true crime community. Is it maybe because pre-emptively avenging a speculatory victim of a hate crime is even more virtuous than the same mental gymnastics with domestic violence? My initial assumption is "the usual" that there was some kind of domestic/marital dispute that escalated to murder (for hire in this particular case). It just tends to be more complicated with wealthier people. Seems like we've seen no real evidence of anything yet though. Bunch of anecdotal stuff.

In my observation, persons-of-interest are not based on gender, but rather on a close relationship to the victim(s).

P.S. Your avatar is haunting me. Where have I seen that photo before?

It's meant to represent Joseph Henry Loveless, an Old West outlaw accused of axe murdering his wife in 1916 who escaped jail and was then himself hacked to pieces, put in burlap sacks and thrown into a cave where he has been steadily discovered and studied piece by piece since 1976. I also found the light eyebrows and pale irises to be haunting in faux daguerreotype

 

[rosesfromangels]

Anyone know how long it usually takes to get an official cause and manner of death?

Here's a good explanation from the San Diego Medical Examiner:
The Process
"....In cases where the cause and manner of death are not determined at the time of the autopsy (in other words, pending further investigation), copies of the autopsy, investigative and toxicology reports will usually be available a few weeks after the cause of death is determined and a death certificate is filed. This can be as long as 90 days after the death, but it is usually sooner. ..."

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Bridger]

Process
"....In cases where the cause and manner of death are not determined at the time of the autopsy (in other words, pending further investigation), copies of the autopsy, investigative and toxicology reports will usually be available a few weeks after the cause of death is determined and a death certificate is filed. This can be as long as 90 days after the death, but it is usually sooner. ..."

Are you saying that indications are that authorities are awaiting toxicology results to determine the cause of death? What are other reasons the autopsy results would be inconclusive following completion of the autopsy? Is it possible the results have been quietly conveyed to the family and the case is now closed?

 

[rosesfromangels]

Are you saying that indications are that authorities are awaiting toxicology results to determine the cause of death? What are other reasons the autopsy results would be inconclusive following completion of the autopsy? Is it possible the results have been quietly conveyed to the family and the case is now closed?

My post was simply to provide an example of the process; not suggestive of anything given what little we know. That said, the advanced state of decomposition likely necessitated more testing. Time will tell, let’s hope.

amateur opinion and speculation

 

[itsrak]

Hometown obit. The interment is tomorrow. Date of death listed as date of disappearance.
James Alan White

 

[rainynights]

KPMG Managing Director Alan White Will Be Laid to Rest on June 3 - Going Concern

A memorial service will be held in West Virginia on Thursday morning for KPMG Managing Director James Alan White who passed away in Dallas on Oct. 22, 2020. Internment will follow the memorial service, according to his obituary.

White, who would have turned 56 on June 16, was born in Charleston, WV, and was a 1983 graduate of Parkersburg South High School. He received his bachelor’s degree in computer science from Denison University in Granville, OH, in 1987.

White’s family said Alan was a “very intelligent and generous man and loved the work that he did throughout his career.”

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[JosieMae]

KPMG Managing Director Alan White Will Be Laid to Rest on June 3 - Going Concern

A memorial service will be held in West Virginia on Thursday morning for KPMG Managing Director James Alan White who passed away in Dallas on Oct. 22, 2020. Internment will follow the memorial service, according to his obituary.

White, who would have turned 56 on June 16, was born in Charleston, WV, and was a 1983 graduate of Parkersburg South High School. He received his bachelor’s degree in computer science from Denison University in Granville, OH, in 1987.

White’s family said Alan was a “very intelligent and generous man and loved the work that he did throughout his career.”

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Thinking of AW'S loved ones. Reading the obituary, I am struck by how much AW's husband is thought of. My heart goes out to them on this sad day.

 

[itsrak]

The question will always be, who drove his car to where it was found.

Yes. Some possibilities, for starters:
* Mr. White himself (suicide scenario)
* Someone very close to Mr. White <modsnip>
* A hired killer, hired by someone very close to Mr. White
* A tradesman or other contact met in house-flipping activities
* A car-jacker who developed cold feet when victim wound up dead
* A killer, perhaps serial, perhaps using an app to line-up victims

 

[missingno]

I keep checking here, hoping for news. Thinking of Alan and his family.

 

[fred&edna]

Anyone know how long it usually takes to get an official cause and manner of death?

There was another Texas homicide case mentioned in a previous thread, official COD for that victim was released within 60 days. I would assume the time frame varies... lab/tox screening time, any backlogs that may exist within the system, etc.

 

[itsrak]

There was another Texas homicide case mentioned in a previous thread, official COD for that victim was released within 60 days. I would assume the time frame varies... lab/tox screening time, any backlogs that may exist within the system, etc.

I'm wondering which will come first - an arrest, or release of COD. With a body recovered and death thus proved, odds for an arrest increase. If it wasn't a suicide, and it looks like it probably was not, then someone out there may be feeling just a bit uncomfortable...

 

[RaechelK]

I think this crime had to have had at least two perps. I’m assuming it was not a suicide. If only one perp, the transportation makes no sense. Someone confronted Alan, and then Alan’s car ends up 15 miles from the last known sighting. Either someone co-erced Alan to drive or someone other than Alan drove the car. In either instance the perp is stranded down by where the car was left. How did s/he leave the scene? Walk? Bus? Uber? Most likely, accomplice. If innocent accomplice (e.g., ride only), why have they not yet talked to LE?

That is how my thinking on this case is going these days. I’m crossing my fingers that the case is solved.

 

[moslym3]

I think this crime had to have had at least two perps. I’m assuming it was not a suicide. If only one perp, the transportation makes no sense. Someone confronted Alan, and then Alan’s car ends up 15 miles from the last known sighting. Either someone co-erced Alan to drive or someone other than Alan drove the car. In either instance the perp is stranded down by where the car was left. How did s/he leave the scene? Walk? Bus? Uber? Most likely, accomplice. If innocent accomplice (e.g., ride only), why have they not yet talked to LE?

That is how my thinking on this case is going these days. I’m crossing my fingers that the case is solved.

The location of Alan's vehicle leads me to believe that the perp had a connection to the nearby area. They either live nearby or have family/friend who does. They have spent enough time in the area to know about the dead-end road butting up against a park where the body was found and also about the area where the car was ditched a mile away.
My opinions.

 

[Gumshoe Stories]

For those who still think self-harm is a real possibility, how do you explain Alan going to work out and then stopping to fill up the car? Those are not typical behaviors of someone about to commit suicide.

And what would have been the means of self-harm? Did he own a gun? Take prescription meds? Hang himself?

It seems unlikely that someone who is concerned with keeping up his personal appearance would choose to go off into the woods and commit self-harm to allow his body to be ravaged by animals for months.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

People who just cut up a watermelon, just made plans for a vacation, recently got a haircut, just filled their gas tank, just bought birthday gifts, just talked to their sister, told you they'd be back later, had plans for dinner... they do choose to end their lives. It does happen. We can not always see when someone is in that kind of pain. We are reminded of Leanne Bearden for starters. There is no recipe, no certain look, no one-size-fits-all. We have seen it here so many times. People we assume would never kill themselves because they have plans for a cruise in 2 months, they just had a baby, they are beautiful and rich, with great jobs and loving families, plans for today, tomorrow, the future. It happens. I have no theory about Alan, just want to remind everyone that suicide can happen in myriad of circumstances where one might never expect.

 

[LadyL]

For those who still think self-harm is a real possibility, how do you explain Alan going to work out and then stopping to fill up the car? Those are not typical behaviors of someone about to commit suicide.

And what would have been the means of self-harm? Did he own a gun? Take prescription meds? Hang himself?

It seems unlikely that someone who is concerned with keeping up his personal appearance would choose to go off into the woods and commit self-harm to allow his body to be ravaged by animals for months.

actually many suicide victims go about their usual business leading up to their death, including going grocery shopping
however, I don't think Alan died that way

 

[blue22]

People who just cut up a watermelon, just made plans for a vacation, recently got a haircut, just filled their gas tank, just bought birthday gifts, just talked to their sister, told you they'd be back later, had plans for dinner... they do choose to end their lives. It does happen. We can not always see when someone is in that kind of pain. We are reminded of Leanne Bearden for starters. There is no recipe, no certain look, no one-size-fits-all. We have seen it here so many times. People we assume would never kill themselves because they have plans for a cruise in 2 months, they just had a baby, they are beautiful and rich, with great jobs and loving families, plans for today, tomorrow, the future. It happens. I have no theory about Alan, just want to remind everyone that suicide can happen in myriad of circumstances where one might never expect.

Yes. I have a friend who survived a suicide attempt. She was working at a job she loved, has a beautiful family, was about to graduate with her masters degree that weekend, and her life according to her was lovely. She has said that she just had an overwhelming urge (her words) and it took her over. She did have a history of some depression and anxiety, but had never experienced suicidal ideation before. She felt that in the moment, she was completely overwhelmed with the idea and need to die. When she survived, she was grateful. But in her words, it was a sudden and impulsive need. To this day, she struggles to explain it. And her story is not uncommon.

Another thing...people suffer horribly inside themselves while the outside looks wonderful. Often, the outside IS wonderful. Wonderful things don't take this away. People commit suicide who have lots of things to look forward to. This idea that people who commit suicide are only the ones with lives of outward darkness and turmoil...is quite harmful.

I don't know if I have a solid personal theory about what happened to Mr. White. I do know that people like him commit suicide all the time. I hope that his family can wade through this grief and find healing and peace.

 

[Shamrock1]

For those who still think self-harm is a real possibility, how do you explain Alan going to work out and then stopping to fill up the car? Those are not typical behaviors of someone about to commit suicide.

And what would have been the means of self-harm? Did he own a gun? Take prescription meds? Hang himself?

It seems unlikely that someone who is concerned with keeping up his personal appearance would choose to go off into the woods and commit self-harm to allow his body to be ravaged by animals for months.

A person contemplating suicide is in a major crisis - that’s not a “typical” person and can’t be compared to “typical” standards of reasonableness. They re-fill prescriptions, confirm upcoming appointments, and mow the lawn. What a person *not* in the midst of a suicidal crisis thinks makes sense isn’t a good way to measure the behavior of such a person, IMO.

I believe this is a murder case.

 

[Gumshoe Stories]

A person contemplating suicide is in a major crisis - that’s not a “typical” person and can’t be compared to “typical” standards of reasonableness. They re-fill prescriptions, confirm upcoming appointments, and mow the lawn. What a person *not* in the midst of a suicidal crisis thinks makes sense isn’t a good way to measure the behavior of such a person, IMO.

I believe this is a murder case.

<modsnip>

Suicide just feels wrong in this situation. No matter what people’s other experiences with suicide have been, I don’t think it applies here. If I turn out to be wrong, then so be it. A guy in Alan White’s situation does not end up the way he ended up. Not unless he got devastating news on his phone that caused him to make a sudden and devastating choice. That’s the only scenario that would make it make sense for me.