GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #2

[KMouse]

I think if you are a pedophile (or a hypervigilant WSer) your radar goes off when you notice kids playing alone.

If Alanna was often seen by herself in the neighborhood then she may have been an easy target.

I'm a hypervigilant person and notice these things.

Example, this morning there was a child about four riding her bike around 8:30 a.m. on the front sidewalk. No other kids or adults in sight.

Example two, yesterday evening at the splash pad I noticed a "Dad" type make taking photos of the kids and I kept watching him to make sure he was taking photos of his kids because at first I wasn't sure who he was photographing.

Most other people I know are oblivious to these types of things.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Do you know how many stupid criminals there are? Lots. Our prisons are filled with them. Criminals too stooopid to cover their crime or are so narcissistic that they think: nobody would EVER think I did it.

Don't ever overestimate the truly evil and messed up people of this world! Their minds are already damaged, so the chance of them screwing up is rather high....

True... And not to rule out the impulsive behavior that leads perps to act out...

there is not always a well thought out plan...

JMO

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Actually... I wasn't thinking of the parents as perps...

I was thinking a neighbor... Or someone who knew her that lived in the area... Persuaded her to go swimming... Accident happened... Or maybe not even an accident.. And then perp(s) took off from there...

Just some thoughts running through my brain...

:waitasec:

So this neighbor had to be pretty sure that no one saw Alanna entering their house or swimming in their pool. Or that LE would definitely buy their story that Alanna left their house alive. I would suspect the neighbor would be under suspicion pretty quickly. Is it "better" for the public to suspect that you brutally murdered a little girl than for you to admit that the child drowned in an accident? I am not saying it couldn't have happened...but I feel like if it did, the neighbor must be pretty confident that no one would suspect him or her. Or maybe it just wasn't thought out well.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Bringing forward a theory I was thinking about last night: I wonder if the car the FBI searched was parked on the street in front of the house and regularly left unlocked, and if a perp got access to it at some point. If the family let Alanna play outside, they also might not have been compulsive car-lockers. (I've never lived anywhere I could afford not to be, but my parents never lock their cars...)

 

[Pensfan]

I have thought about that too. However I would assume if that were suspected the home would be taped off as a crime scene and the people living there wouldn't be allowed back yet.

I will also assume that cadaver dogs would have been brought in.

All I can say is that I am scratching my head.

The FBI was at the home for 22 hours.

 

[KMouse]

The FBI was at the home for 22 hours.

Were the forensic people there?

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Were the forensic people there?

I would imagine they have a standard protocol in these cases and when they bring in a team they cover everything at once. I would hope so anyway.

 

[floridamomma]

The more I think about the location she was found, the more i think it was intentional.
hubby often places bags of dog food/chicken feed/etc on his toolbox and drives home. those bags are 40/50 lbs and never fall off...

eta, if there was a bedliner, it woulda been more slick, enabling her to slide... also, perp woulda had to take off qui,kly, screeching? skid marks?

 

[Knox]

In some respects this case reminds me of Breeann Rodriguez (http://abcnews.go.com/US/breeann-ro...plastic-bag/storynew?id=14310359#.UdXDf22dAv4).

In what I have read so far, parental involvement does not feel right. I think this is going to be someone from the neighborhood, and not a registered sex offender. I also agree with the posters who feel that her remains were not left in the street intentionally.

Has anyone looked to see how current the google street views are in the neighborhood, any red trucks? Long shot, but ya never know.

 

[human]

I was driving once and a truck was in front of me. A box with a chair flew out right in my path. It was light and standing up. The people just picked it up at the furniture store. I cannot remember if the tailgate was open.

I know loads have to be secured because they can fall out.

But, I spend a lot of time in a foreign country that does not appear to have those rules. In spite of curvy roads and them driving fast, I have not noticed anything falling out. Not saying it doesn't, but maybe not that common

 

[ArianeEmory]

The more I think about the location she was found, the more i think it was intentional.
hubby often places bags of dog food/chicken feed/etc on his toolbox and drives home. those bags are 40/50 lbs and never fall off...

eta, if there was a bedliner, it woulda been more slick, enabling her to slide... also, perp woulda had to take off qui,kly, screeching? skid marks?

Good call on the bedliner. Stuff really does slide around on there.

Skid marks have not been mentioned, but there was a single traffic cone set up in the middle-ish of the intersection while LE had the street roped off, in the direction someone would have had to travel if they were entering the intersection from that stop sign (does that make sense? same side of the road). There was just a single cone, so it looked like it might have been marking evidence in the road.

EDIT: I hope those of us in the U.S. are going to take some time away from the computers today to spend time with family, eat grilled food, get outside and/or watch some TV. This is a rough one but don't forget to come up for air now and then.

 

[purplesage]

i wonder if the cone marked where tarp was originally but boys managed to drag it a few feet before deciding it was too heavy for garbage and then looked inside?

 

[Wondergirl]

I was driving once and a truck was in front of me. A box with a chair flew out right in my path. It was light and standing up. The people just picked it up at the furniture store. I cannot remember if the tailgate was open.

I know loads have to be secured because they can fall out.

But, I spend a lot of time in a foreign country that does not appear to have those rules. In spite of curvy roads and them driving fast, I have not noticed anything falling out. Not saying it doesn't, but maybe not that common

So true.

Really, the odds of the dear child falling or rolling out accidentally are really very low. I say this from experience. Unless you are on a grade, it really would be take quite a force for something to fall out.

There is no good reason at all for a murderer to leave her body in that location. High risk of being discovered while leaving the body there.

It simply does not add up.

JMO

 

[KMouse]

When was the last time this chid was seen by somebody outside the house?

 

[ArianeEmory]

Other than 911 call/body being found/LE arriving and pronouncing death, the exact timeline is not known. LE even has widely conflicting reports of when the tarp was first seen.

 

[ArianeEmory]

i wonder if the cone marked where tarp was originally but boys managed to drag it a few feet before deciding it was too heavy for garbage and then looked inside?

(I think it was a teen boy and a teen girl? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. They have also been referred to as kids/children playing a few times, but they were teens.)

 

[AnnieOakley]

Here is an approximate map from her home to the location she was found. Please disregard the route. For some reason this morning I have forgotten how to do a pinpoint map. You should be able to zoom in though and view or walk the area.

https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Babbling+Brook+Drive,+Saginaw,+TX&daddr=Cindy+Lane,+Saginaw,+TX&hl=en&sll=41.082613,-85.1509&sspn=0.230836,0.488892&geocode=FcKF9QEdxAMy-ikJi1Bqe99NhjE8ezk9W4ezsQ%3BFdhV9QEdIgwy-ikRhbisiHVOhjEP5bkOYBa2Gw&oq=cindy+lane&t=h&mra=ls&z=15

So, in looking at the map, I'm trying to play this out in my head....

A.)Takes Alanna. Does he get her into a vehicle? Risky to be seen by neighbors.... Does he walk away with her on foot? To a waiting vehicle around the corner? To a house nearby? Again, pretty brazen, unless he blends in to the neighborhood...
(I'm saying "he" because that's statistically most likely, but not to rule out a "she"-- or even two people).


A1). Then goes.... Where?
It could have been a fairly short amount of time that he had her before she died (like 5pm - 7) or much longer (2pm-7?).
Even the shorter period of 2 hours is kind of a long time to not be discovered without being someplace concealed- a house or other building? Or at least some area with trees, bushes, etc?
As others have posted, there are several areas nearby that are open spaces- parks, undeveloped tracts (one right above babbling brooks dev on the map), and also a storage facility nearby. But all of those carry a high likelihood of being discovered on a weekday when school's out...

B.). Dumps body. On purpose or accident? I'm going with on purpose. I don't believe that particular spot is special- just found a spot around there where nobody was around at that precise moment. (That's purely a feeling, could be he picked that one and waited til no one was watching- maybe driving around the block a few times which someone later remembered??)


From a perp perspective there are too many pieces of this that i just don't get. IMO. Either this perp knowledgeable of the area, and has calculated every aspect of this to a T.... Or he is unbelievably lucky if LE isn't actually already on to him.

 

[OtherEyes]

One thought I had about red tape was that the truck was red and had a green paint spot on it. Could it be an older truck that possibly used red duct tape to use as a temporary repair to it? We have a newer car but our second car that my son drives has black duct tape on part of the bumper as a temporary repair. Also we just parked next to a red car that also had red duct tape on it as a temporary repair! (Just got me thinking on the red tape, not even sure if it was duct tape that was supposedly found with the girl.) It just would make sense having red tape if you owned an old red truck possibly?)

 

[matou]

If the driver was drunk and rode onto the corner curb, maybe the tailgate flew open and the bumping around caused the victim to fall out. If there were carpets or flat boxes in the cab, the tarp could have slid out. JMO

 

[matou]

The medical examiner's website listed the cause of death for the young girl as "pending."
Pending toxicology? The holidays?
Read more: http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22738162/childs-body-found-in-saginaw#ixzz2Y6kVmhRV
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