GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #2

[Pensfan]

Last night

@ about 44 sec on video at link below

Reporter:

They [investigators] told me that they are not looking for a child predator and that the city is not in danger...

http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/fbi-...ng-confiscated-items-girl-tarp-214165241.html

Thanks for finding and posting this info. That's pretty specific. Her cause of death showed some manner of death which lead them to this decision.

 

[thepinkdragon]

I think if this was a vengeance killing in return for something with somebody's career I do not think there would be a child abduction and murder and possible sex assault.

Please note that I said in this hypothetical that the murder would have been staged to look like a sexual assault to throw off the progress of the case.

Do I think this is what happened? Probably Not. But it is one possibility out of many. I have worked with and been around military personnel and defense contractors for 20 years. Oh the stories I could tell...but won't.

 

[human]

Sorry, but how would there be pictures of this stuff? Or do you mean an artist's rendering of the truck?

I don't think you need an artist's rendering.

Look up the make, model and add some green paint.

For Sierra LaMar a picture was put out of the car.

I imagine a lot of people cannot ID truck brand, but they can ID lots of things about it from looking at pics of actual truck models.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Would an adult dump a drowned child's body to avoid financial liability if the drowning occurred on their property?

How much legal liability would there be? Could they be charged with manslaughter?

 

[danzn16]

Why would they do the garbage bag, bag over head, tape, etc?

I'm probably in over my head here and quoting TV crime shows, but doesn't the bag over the head indicate something psychologically about the killer?

I do find the accidental death scenarios possible, but keep getting hung up at the bindings and bags. Garbage bag to conceal body, maybe, but why bag over head?

Good question. Why would someone do that? But there have so many bodies found that way. Last case I followed posters said they thought it was so perp didn't have to see their face during transport. But that might have been case specific. Would love to know if this means something psychologically


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[human]

I am mystified.

What cause of death would be worse than murder?

With bound hands and feet and a plastic bag over the head? Wouldn't an accident be better to report than taking the chance of being busted for a murder you did not commit?

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I don't think you need an artist's rendering.

Look up the make, model and add some green paint.

For Sierra LaMar a picture was put out of the car.

I imagine a lot of people cannot ID truck brand, but they can ID lots of things about it from looking at pics of actual truck models.

In the press conference LE stated they had lots of leads on the truck. IMO, they were hinting for more information than just on the vehicle.

eta: It's still early as well. It's only been a few days.

 

[manzana]

Kids when they are young, do not think about dangers from placing a bag, box, blanket over another child's head when playing.

 

[Kaliste]

I wanted to throw something out the regarding the LEs "Public has nothing to fear" statement.

It's entirely possible the person who committed this crime has been picked up on something else entirely. LE may have a suspicion and was able to hold them on a traffic warrant while collecting evidence/strengthening their case.

OR the suspect is deceased. There was a vicious murder of a teacher in my city last year. LE was adamant there was nothing to fear. It took them slightly over a week to finally announce the murder suspect was killed in a car accident after having a heart attack while fleeing the scene. Instant karma

 

[Pensfan]

Good question. Why would someone do that? But there have so many bodies found that way. Last case I followed posters said they thought it was so perp didn't have to see their face during transport. But that might have been case specific. Would love to know if this means something psychologically


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The killer or transporter knew Alanna and didn't want to look at her dead face.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

If Alanna died accidentally...and the body fell out of the truck but the perp actually wanted to dispose of it somewhere, why even bother with the whole staging? If they didn't expect the body to be found, why even make it look like a predator did it? Just a "precaution" incase she was found?

 

[danzn16]

How can they say this is an isolated "slaying" and that no one is endangered? A child was found in the middle of the street with legs and arms bound and a bag over her head. To me this makes it sounds like the parents are being suspected, but are not in custody so I am surprised they are making such statements.


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[wfgodot]

How can they say this is an isolated "slaying" and that no one is endangered? A child was found in the middle of the street with legs and arms bound and a bag over her head. To me this makes it sounds like the parents are being suspected, but are not in custody so I am surprised they are making such statements.

Exactly. That's almost always the case in a case of this nature.

 

[Pensfan]

I am mystified.

What cause of death would be worse than murder?

With bound hands and feet and a plastic bag over the head? Wouldn't an accident be better to report than taking the chance of being busted for a murder you did not commit?

Not to a narcissist

Maybe the death was staged (hands and feet bound) by someone who thought he could outsmart LE? Maybe they were bound for to facilitate transport or sinking in the reservoir?

 

[ArianeEmory]

Exactly. That's almost always the case in a case of this nature.

Sorry, what's almost always the case? That it means the parents are suspected?

 

[fhc]

bbm
Noooooo. People should use birth control if they don't want to babysit. Where's my snipper scissors? I can fix this!

Is it okay, without posting the name, to ask if anyone knows the age of their oldest child?

Iirc, there have been several reports that the KG got home about 8pm and began to search door to door. These reports were on local news broadcasts.

 

[Rougelatete]

If Alanna died accidentally...and the body fell out of the truck but the perp actually wanted to dispose of it somewhere, why even bother with the whole staging? If they didn't expect the body to be found, why even make it look like a predator did it? Just a "precaution" incase she was found?

*If* it was someone close to Alanna, who knew her and cared about her, it's possible they were so frantic and aghast at what had happened, that a) they weren't thinking clearly and made poor decisions about staging it to appear as another crime and b) were so ashamed with themselves that they had to distance themselves from the original crime by making it appear their complete opposite had committed it (i.e. what's the complete opposite of a loving family member/neighbor? a sadistic child predator).

Murderers who know and on some level care about their victim are well-known to cover the victim's face after the crime out of shame. They don't want to see the victim's face and they don't want their victim staring back at them.

 

[Pensfan]

The LE representative who gave the pressor distinctly said the parents were not suspects. That's when my hinky meter blew through the top. Normally LE states that they haven't ruled out any suspects. Maybe LE is hoping the parents continue to talk and talk to the police officer grief counselor.

 

[Alyssa]

But, at the same time...
http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/07/03/4980912/911-call-i-think-its-a-little.html

I think it's wrong to be giving people a false sense of security unless they were almost 100% sure they knew who their suspect was.

 

[Flutterby80]

Last night

@ about 44 sec on video at link below

Reporter (in front of Saginaw PD):

They [investigators] told me that they are not looking for a child predator and that the city is not in danger...

http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/fbi-...ng-confiscated-items-girl-tarp-214165241.html

If LE is not looking for a child predator, and assuming the parents are not suspected, who does that leave?
Accidental drowning or other accident in the neighborhood involving an adult who does not want LE involved in their lives for whatever reason.
Older child/children in the neighborhood...but that makes it hard to explain where Alanna's body was found unless the child was old enough to drive (either legally or illegally) or they got an adult involved after her death.
I don't really buy the conspiracy/vengence theory because this is just too sloppy. It doesn't feel professional to me. Not even professional trying to appear amature.
I can't think of anything else. I'm sure there are other scenerios, but I am at a loss.
Just want to say that unless LE is thoroughly convinced Alanna was not snatched and murdered on purpose by a stranger or casual acquaintance, announcing that the public is safe seems extremely negligent to me. I would hope they would not say something like that lightly.
I wonder if there are children playing outside in Alanna's neighborhood tonight. I hope they are being well watched.