GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #3

[jjenny]

Thanks Elley. I have seen varying times on this. I don't believe the time has been released or LE is not certain of exact time for the body landing there

7:33 pm is reported as time of death.

 

[randomtexan]

Alannah was in my child's Kindergarten class this past year. Our community is empty. We are making, wearing and displaying purple ribbons everywhere we can. Nothing new has been found by the police. I'm confused as to why people are debating the "helicopter parent" thing. Who cares? I don't let my kids go outside without me. Ever.

Some things about Saginaw:
1. Calling us "small" is a little misleading. Some streets considered to be in Saginaw are actually Fort Worth. We are literally a few miles from downtown Fort Worth.

2. None of us believe that we are "completely safe", as the P.D. spokesman said.

3. Most of us are keenly aware of the fact that we are very close to a large city, and we don't feel like we are some sort of idyllic small town.

4. Opal Jennings was abducted from her Grandmother's home in Saginaw and killed. It has happened here, before, and not too long ago that it has been forgotten.

Her teacher is destroyed. My child is scared to be very far away from me. We are all extremely shaken. My instinct tells me that there is something that we don't know. <modsnip> I do remember her from chaperoning field trips, and she was a delightful child. My child said that she always said nice things to and about everyone.

 

[BunnyHop]

Alannah was in my child's Kindergarten class this past year. Our community is empty. We are making, wearing and displaying purple ribbons everywhere we can. Nothing new has been found by the police. I'm confused as to why people are debating the "helicopter parent" thing. Who cares? I don't let my kids go outside without me. Ever.

Some things about Saginaw:
1. Calling us "small" is a little misleading. Some streets considered to be in Saginaw are actually Fort Worth. We are literally a few miles from downtown Fort Worth.

2. None of us believe that we are "completely safe", as the P.D. spokesman said.

3. Most of us are keenly aware of the fact that we are very close to a large city, and we don't feel like we are some sort of idyllic small town.

4. Opal Jennings was abducted from her Grandmother's home in Saginaw and killed. It has happened here, before, and not too long ago that it has been forgotten.

Her teacher is destroyed. My child is scared to be very far away from me. We are all extremely shaken. My instinct tells me that there is something that we don't know. <modsnip> I do remember her from chaperoning field trips, and she was a delightful child. My child said that she always said nice things to and about everyone.

Glad you're here.

:thewave:

 

[Elley Mae]

Tarp was seen?

“We’re trying to establish when she was last seen,” Macon said. “We’re also trying to determine when the tarp was first seen because we’ve had witnesses put the time from mid-afternoon until 7 p.m.”

http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/0...girl-found-in-saginaw.html#storylink=misearch

 

[CaptainKangaroo]

I wonder though, if someone from out of town would have the ability to snatch alanna and know where they could take her for a period of time undetected. It seems like it must be someone familiar with the area, even if they do not live closeby. Also, wondering if someone from out of the area wouldn't be more inclined to take her away, closer to their comfort zone, to (I feel very icky saying this) do whatever it is he intended to do to her.
Thoughts?

I don't think it was anyone from out of town. I think it was someone that lives nearby most likely.

I am not sure the red truck is relevant. Maybe there was a red truck, but it was just a passer by? If it lived in the neighborhood, I think it would have been found by now.

(but then I guess it may have been and we just haven't heard)

Also, it could be someone that doesn't live in the area but has friends or relatives there and visits often? Still, I don't know if they would dispose of the body the way it was found.

Sometimes I do thing the body fell off a truck. ??

 

[fhc]

Welcome Random Texan from another Random Texan in Flower Mound. So sorry your community and family are experiencing this tragedy. We hope for justice soon.

 

[jjenny]

&#8220;We&#8217;re trying to establish when she was last seen,&#8221; Macon said. &#8220;We&#8217;re also trying to determine when the tarp was first seen because we&#8217;ve had witnesses put the time from mid-afternoon until 7 p.m.&#8221;

http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/0...girl-found-in-saginaw.html#storylink=misearch

That doesn't jibe with time of death being 7:33 pm-unless those reports are wrong. Seems rather unlikely perp put the body under a tarp that was already in the road.

 

[RR0004]

Alannah was in my child's Kindergarten class this past year. Our community is empty. We are making, wearing and displaying purple ribbons everywhere we can. Nothing new has been found by the police. I'm confused as to why people are debating the "helicopter parent" thing. Who cares? I don't let my kids go outside without me. Ever.

Some things about Saginaw:
1. Calling us "small" is a little misleading. Some streets considered to be in Saginaw are actually Fort Worth. We are literally a few miles from downtown Fort Worth.

2. None of us believe that we are "completely safe", as the P.D. spokesman said.

3. Most of us are keenly aware of the fact that we are very close to a large city, and we don't feel like we are some sort of idyllic small town.

4. Opal Jennings was abducted from her Grandmother's home in Saginaw and killed. It has happened here, before, and not too long ago that it has been forgotten.

Her teacher is destroyed. My child is scared to be very far away from me. We are all extremely shaken. My instinct tells me that there is something that we don't know. <modsnip> I do remember her from chaperoning field trips, and she was a delightful child. My child said that she always said nice things to and about everyone.

Oh, randomtexan. I feel for you. Thanks for coming and posting. This must be so hard for everyone. Prayers for you all.

 

[MsFacetious]

They just call time of death when they are found.

My Uncle was last heard from Saturday... and was found Thursday.
It was VERY clear he'd been dead since Saturday night/Sunday morning.

His date of death was Thursday.
Once the autopsy results are final on Alanna they might change that.
For now though it's just going to be the time the EMT's pronounced her dead.

 

[jjenny]

They just call time of death when they are found.

My Uncle was last heard from Saturday... and was found Thursday.
It was VERY clear he'd been dead since Saturday night/Sunday morning.

His date of death was Thursday.
Once the autopsy results are final on Alanna they might change that.
For now though it's just going to be the time the EMT's pronounced her dead.

That makes sense. So she might have been dead for a while (hours) before found.

 

[matou]

Alannah was in my child's Kindergarten class this past year. Our community is empty. We are making, wearing and displaying purple ribbons everywhere we can. Nothing new has been found by the police. I'm confused as to why people are debating the "helicopter parent" thing. Who cares? I don't let my kids go outside without me. Ever.

Some things about Saginaw:
1. Calling us "small" is a little misleading. Some streets considered to be in Saginaw are actually Fort Worth. We are literally a few miles from downtown Fort Worth.

2. None of us believe that we are "completely safe", as the P.D. spokesman said.

3. Most of us are keenly aware of the fact that we are very close to a large city, and we don't feel like we are some sort of idyllic small town.

4. Opal Jennings was abducted from her Grandmother's home in Saginaw and killed. It has happened here, before, and not too long ago that it has been forgotten.

Her teacher is destroyed. My child is scared to be very far away from me. We are all extremely shaken. My instinct tells me that there is something that we don't know. <modsnip> I do remember her from chaperoning field trips, and she was a delightful child. My child said that she always said nice things to and about everyone.

Thank you randomtexan. I'm sorry to hear about the vibe in Saginaw right now and I can understand why. I also know where my kid is at all times because she is with me. I would love to have the freedom to let her run over to other kid's homes and allow other kids over but there is no one here her age, it is lonely for her and I need to bring friends over from outside the area. Saginaw is the perfect place for kids in my opinion. However, evil lurks everywhere, as we all know. I can't see a parent doing this, the binding, the bag over the head. It's unfathomable. This was an evil perverted deviant pig that did this to her. My fear is that it could be a pair that did this together but it could really be anyone. I'm sorry to hear about your child. Does he/she understand what happened? I've tried to talk to my daughter about some strange men I saw drinking at the end of my street while we we walking by. I told her when the time came if she ever was walking alone or with a friend and a man asked her to come over, she was to run away and get to a female grown up as soon as possible to tell them. I told her some men want to steal little kids and she just laughed, thinking it was funny. "No one is going to steal me mommy." sigh. xoxoxo

 

[pferrin]

7:33 pm is reported as time of death.

Yes LE arrived at 723 and ems arrived at 732 tod called at 733

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Kathlynn Shepard and D.
Kathlynn murdered, D escaped.

Found Deceased IA - Kathlynn Shepard, 15, Dayton, 20 May 2013 - 2 kidnapped - 1 alive, 1 deceased #2 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


There have been a few other stranger abductions where the child was not murdered as well.
Of course we don't have those names anymore, but they do have threads.

I forgot about Kathlynn and her friend. And of course, the girl in Los Angeles. But we still aren't hearing about dozens of children kidnapped by predators every week. It is rare. On the other hand, we have threads about parents who killed their child very, very frequently (see: Crimes Against Children forum and many "Missing" cases...Well, IMO, in a lot of them, the parent(s) are involved).

 

[jjenny]

Yes LE arrived at 723 and ems arrived at 732 tod called at 733

So basically 7:33 is not the time of death but time she was declared to be dead by EMTs. Which means she could have been dead for quite some time prior to being found.

 

[MsFacetious]

I forgot about Kathlynn and her friend. And of course, the girl in Los Angeles. But we still aren't hearing about dozens of children kidnapped by predators every week. It is rare.

I had a cousin who was abducted, raped and murdered.
I had two other cousins who were murdered by a family friend with a brain tumor.

Yes it's rare.
However, when that "rare" event happens in your family, the rarity of it becomes irrelevant.
It happened... to your own family. That makes it seem just that much more possible. :twocents:

However, it happening at all is too often. I wish there was a way to just prevent it.

 

[CaptainKangaroo]

That doesn't jibe with time of death being 7:33 pm-unless those reports are wrong. Seems rather unlikely perp put the body under a tarp that was already in the road.

This time of death thing is throwing everyone off. I think the ME is setting the "legal TOD" at that time because that is about the time she was found. We may later find out a different length of time that they think is when she died. Or, maybe the state of decomp was so minimal when she was found that she truly had not been dead very long at all when she was found.

Some of the problem lies in some saying they had seen the tarp earlier that day. Well, maybe they just didn't. It is a sad fact that eye witness accounts are notoriously inaccurate. Same goes for the sighting of the red truck with green paint on it.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

We don't have anything from the ME yet do we? The TOD is noted when someone arrives at the scene and pronounces the individual deceased. That is just how it works.

 

[SCHMAE]

I had a cousin who was abducted, raped and murdered.
I had two other cousins who were murdered by a family friend with a brain tumor.

Yes it's rare.
However, when that "rare" event happens in your family, the rarity of it becomes irrelevant.
It happened... to your own family. That makes it seem just that much more possible. :twocents:

However, it happening at all is too often. I wish there was a way to just prevent it.

BBM So very true , thank you for this wise little nugget.
I'm sorry for your family's struggles

 

[Ladylub]

So basically 7:33 is not the time of death but time she was declared to be dead by EMTs. Which means she could have been dead for quite some time prior to being found.

Im starting to wonder if they will even come out with any information about the time of death or even manner of death. I was hoping we would hear they caught the evil or at the very least cause of death so we know the type of person out there. With the steps s/he did to wrap Alanna I can not even begin to think of what all happened to her body .

.

 

[CaptainKangaroo]

We don't have anything from the ME yet do we? The TOD is noted when someone arrives at the scene and pronounces the individual deceased. That is just how it works.

Nope. The ME has not issued a cause of death yet. I am pretty sure it was reported that the ME would not issue a cause of death until the lab tests come back...like tox screens, etc.

Does that mean there is no obvious cod? I don't know. If she was suffocated with the bag, the ME would know that I am sure.

I am inclined to think they know but don't want the public to know yet as it might hinder their job when questioning suspects.

JMO