GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #4

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  • #781
I see it the exact opposite.

The violence of the attack, the restraints - all indicate someone didn't know very well, or at all.

Anyone who knew her well, would have time and leisure to groom her. Restraints wouldn't be needed.

:cow:

I can see why you'd say that, but I don't entirely agree. Without getting to into, because it sickens me...people have all kinds of sick fantasies. Many offenders don't need to restrain, but WANT to. Restraints weren't necessarily used for restraining. We don't know what they were used for. They could have been put on after, just to confuse. We just don't know.

So many sad and horrific scenarios could have happened. I don't really let myself think about it :(
 
  • #782
and why a female condom.

and why this and why that......way too many odd things removed that really don't seem to add up to little allana being found.

They found it in a car!

They listed everything they found when the car was checked in for examination, a normal part of LE procedure.

There was unusual seeming stuff in their car. With a bunch of kids and a polyamorous lifestyle, it's all explainable and probably means absolutely nothing.

:moo:
 
  • #783
does not explain the sadistic way that little alanna was found. this was personal IMO. someone she knew, very well.

I'm starting to be afraid it was someone retaliating against the family and their perceived immorality.
 
  • #784
I see it the exact opposite.

The violence of the attack, the restraints - all indicate someone Alanna didn't know very well, if at all. Maybe just by sight.

Anyone who knew her well, would have time and leisure to groom her. Restraints wouldn't be needed.

:cow:

we don't know what the "attack" was. we don't know what happened to her. how she died and when she died. was she poisoned and knocked out cold? was she raped to death? beaten to death? was the bag over her to suffocate her? were the restraints punishment? we don't know. not all "personal" attacks start off with grooming. parents attack their kids out of nowhere all the time.

anyone who knew her may have other people living with them and were in a hurry to do whatever they did to her and dispose of her before someone got home. restraints may be needed if she was trying to get away or if she was being punished....no matter who the perp is. maybe there is more than one perp. putting a bag over her head is personal to me.

just my thoughts....

its really hard to put oneself into the mind of an evil person, but it has to be done often to figure things out :/
 
  • #785
I was responding to someone saying that since she posts nice things and appears to be a good mom online, she must be a loving and involved mom. How do any of us know that she was? Because she posted nice things about herself does not make them true... None of us know what life in that home was actually like for Alanna. All we know about the mother was that she was apparently home and her kid was outdoors alone with nobody concerned about her AT ALL, and the child got killed. I am entitled to feel like this was neglectful on the part of the parents to let their young child outside alone and not bother checking on them.

How she FEELS about it or will feel about it in the future doesn't change my opinion on how I feel about her letting her very young child wander around alone. She may not want to read about how her actions contributed to the death of Alanna, but Alanna didn't want to die the way she did. It frustrates me that so many of these young victims are easy picks for pervs because nobody is watching them (except, of course, the perv). You can't really take the report as "character assassination" or with a grain of salt when the fact of the matter was.........her kid was outdoors alone. Given that people have said that this was common for this child to be playing alone, it's hard for me to not attribute that to the reasons she was targeted as a victim. The responsibility for the death of Alanna lies on the person who did this, but the fact that she was free for the taking with nobody looking out for her at all... well... assuming this was someone outside of the home, it wouldn't have happened if she was being properly supervised. That's my last thought on this topic. Alanna deserved better.

ALL MO.

Some of us come from a generation where that was normal.

Some of us live in places where it's still normal for toddlers to visit next door on their own.

Letting your kid play outside is not illegal. 99% of the adults around you played outside unsupervised at some point and survived to tell the tale.

It's a fine line between being over protective and bringing up an independent fully functional adult, which after all is a parent's job. Kids live in the world too, they have a right to not be shut up and wrapped in cotton wool. They need to learn safe behaviours, it doesn't matter if they're 6 or 16.

It's also easy to judge when you yourself have been brought up in a protected way. A lot of people just aren't, it's not part of their world. It still seems safe to them.

:twocents:
 
  • #786
I agree about watching kids closely. I too see irresponsible and neglect. I was just stating that I believe she loves her children and I feel very sorry for what shes going thru.

I definitely feel very sorry for her. I would be devastated if I lost my daughter. I do not know how I would ever recover. And I am well aware that we cannot protect our children from everything...even the most diligent of parents can't. But I can't completely excuse the parents from this sort of behavior, because the things that can be done to limit their risk of becoming a victim should always be done. Hopefully people learn a very valuable lesson from the death of Alanna - that even kids in safe neighborhoods need to be supervised closely. I wish none of this had happened, and everyone involved could have a do-over. :(
 
  • #787
News 8 WFAA played part of the raw interview with MM.
Entire uncut video on WFAA website.

He's not sure LE wants him to disclose the last time she was seen.

Well.... WE do.... Want him to disclose the last time she was seen... That is...

shouldn't that trump all? :websleuther:
 
  • #788
  • #789
we don't know what the "attack" was. we don't know what happened to her. how she died and when she died. was she poisoned and knocked out cold? was she raped to death? beaten to death? was the bag over her to suffocate her? were the restraints punishment? we don't know. not all "personal" attacks start off with grooming. parents attack their kids out of nowhere all the time.

anyone who knew her may have other people living with them and were in a hurry to do whatever they did to her and dispose of her before someone got home. restraints may be needed if she was trying to get away or if she was being punished....no matter who the perp is. maybe there is more than one perp. putting a bag over her head is personal to me.

just my thoughts....

its really hard to put oneself into the mind of an evil person, but it has to be done often to figure things out :/

If the bag was over her head, it could mean suffocation not personal relationship?

Wish they'd release the COD.

I 100% agree with you regarding the "someone" living with someone else and having to get her gone. I don't agree that this translates into someone well known to Alanna.

Often rape/murder victims are found covered as the perp does feel some level of shame, even for a random attack. The underwear on the body tends to indicate this too.

:moo:
 
  • #790
Why is that?

As someone up above said. The perp knows the last time she was seen.

I am someone who pays no attention to kids in my neighborhood, although basically there are not many in the country neighborhood where I live. I would not recognize one if s/he came up and talked to me. My kids are grown. No interest in the neighborhood children.

But if there was a kid missing, and I knew what time, I would reflect back on what I was doing and where I was. What did I see, if anything. Otherwise, why bother and my memory of any particular day has faded.

I simply do not understand this. None of it.

I think LE wants to keep some information to themselves as a "test" for individuals who may claim to be the killer...

some information I'd kept to make certain things add up...

additionally... What if we found out that it was more time than what has been implied...

Just some thoughts...

and... I still think it may have something to do with the perp... Even though he knows she has passed... But I imagine there are more cat and mouse games LE has to play...

JMO
 
  • #791
Has anyone considered the possibility that this precious one fell off a landscaping truck ? They are everywhere in my neighborhood. Could someone have just harmed her and placed her there when no one was paying attention ? Not necessarily the person driving, but someone nearby ? Just a thought, as i am always seeing these with lots of things in the back. They drive through many neighborhoods near one another.
 
  • #792
I'm starting to be afraid it was someone retaliating against the family and their perceived immorality.

Surely though, it's infinitely more immoral to torture and kill and innocent 6-year-old child?
 
  • #793
I can see why you'd say that, but I don't entirely agree. Without getting to into, because it sickens me...people have all kinds of sick fantasies. Many offenders don't need to restrain, but WANT to. Restraints weren't necessarily used for restraining. We don't know what they were used for. They could have been put on after, just to confuse. We just don't know.

So many sad and horrific scenarios could have happened. I don't really let myself think about it :(

I don't have any criminal psych background, but isn't it also thought that some killers/rapists who bind their victims do so for a sense of power and control?
 
  • #794
Some of us come from a generation where that was normal.

Some of us live in places where it's still normal for toddlers to visit next door on their own.

Letting your kid play outside is not illegal. 99% of the adults around you played outside unsupervised at some point and survived to tell the tale.

It's a fine line between being over protective and bringing up an independent fully functional adult, which after all is a parent's job. Kids live in the world too, they have a right to not be shut up and wrapped in cotton wool. They need to learn safe behaviours, it doesn't matter if they're 6 or 16.

It's also easy to judge when you yourself have been brought up in a protected way. A lot of people just aren't, it's not part of their world. It still seems safe to them.

:twocents:

I played outside alone, but with strict rules to stay within sight of my front windows and a watch to come check in every 20 minutes. If I went to a friends house, my mom (who was probably worse than lots of parents we talk about here) walked me. My mom let me have the freedom to walk to a friend's house a few blocks away when I was 8-10 years old, but I always had to call home when I got there to let my mom know I arrived. I also walked to school starting at age 6-7. But times have changed. I won't let my daughter do that. It seemed safe but it wasn't, and it is not.

Learning safe behaviors doesn't just HAPPEN when you let the door close behind your six year old and hope they come back in one piece. It's taught! It is very very odd that these parents weren't making sure their child was safe.

A toddler means a 1-2 year old. I venture to say it is *NEVER* normal to let your toddler go visiting next door alone. Ever. Who is to say they won't get kidnapped or wander too far? Or is that just helping them turn into fully functioning adults?

We'll have to agree to disagree, because I won't ever budge on the thought that young children need to be supervised. I'm not talking about wrapping them in cotton, I'm taking about making sure they are protected from predators. A six year old doesn't have the ability to discern bad people from good, cannot be trusted to not get in the car with a stranger, and certainly cannot fight off a perp.

Safe or not, there is not ONE legitimate reason that this girl was apparently gone from her house for hours without anyone bothering to find out why. Sorry. It is not OK.
 
  • #795
They found it in a car!

They listed everything they found when the car was checked in for examination, a normal part of LE procedure.

There was unusual seeming stuff in their car. With a bunch of kids and a polyamorous lifestyle, it's all explainable and probably means absolutely nothing.

:moo:

I agree, I believe LE took everything that was lying loose in the cars.

Right now my car has several Walmart/grocery plastic bags, empty plastic water bottles, several discarded grocery lists, an unopened 12 pack of Cottonelle toilet paper (I buy it when it's on sale, I hate paying full price for it), bird seed from Walmart, and I'm sure other things I can't remember.
 
  • #796
Has anyone considered the possibility that this precious one fell off a landscaping truck ? They are everywhere in my neighborhood. Could someone have just harmed her and placed her there when no one was paying attention ? Not necessarily the person driving, but someone nearby ? Just a thought, as i am always seeing these with lots of things in the back. They drive through many neighborhoods near one another.

what a good idea!

throw the body under a tarp that is already on the truck?

Or...maybe the perp is a landscaper himself.

Just trying to follow your lead...:D
 
  • #797
Can someone refresh my memory about Alanna having a near-drowning episode (or something like that) in the days/weeks prior? Was this in the news, posted on a fb and/or a rumor??
 
  • #798
Surely though, it's infinitely more immoral to torture and kill and innocent 6-year-old child?

But then again... We remember that there are those kinds of people who blow up abortion clinics... Killing people for ... killing people (babies)...

Logic isn't always some of these perps' strong points... If you know what I mean...

:dunno:
 
  • #799
I don't have any criminal psych background, but isn't it also thought that some killers/rapists who bind their victims do so for a sense of power and control?

Yes... They do.... Often...
 
  • #800
I think it's quite clear from the father's interview that she wasn't playing unsupervised. She had asked for and received permission to go to a friend's house.
 
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