GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #4

[SapphireSteel]

From a generation of playing outside for hours while mom was inside watching t.v. or cooking.

Looking at the arial photo of the street, the truck could have hit a bump, wonder if that line in the pavement is a bit of a bump. Could also have been making a turn. At first I thought to the right where the firetruck is, but a sharper speedy turn to the left would jossle items.

I save toilet paper cobs for making soap embeds. Yep, loads of them. Lol. However, I also go through about 4 rolls a week as one person, and they sit in the trashcan until I take the trash out at the end of the week. After I've saved up enough of course. I have no idea how many rolls a family would go through in a day, much less a week. Must be many.

The kids are different now too, for some reason.

I remember when I was a kid, we'd all gang together and take off and get up to all sorts of mischief. Parents were the last people we wanted to hang out with.

Nowdays, it seems you can't even have a cup of coffee without someones kid around your ankles. Kids hang around their parents like they're an oxegyn tank or something.

Remember "go and play"? You weren't expected (or wanted) back till mealtimes.

Someone pm'd me and said "sorry" when I said my parents wouldn't have missed me either...it just meant I had freedom. I was in no way "neglected".

 

[SCHMAE]

California has always been stand alone in the child rape/abduction/murder stakes so it makes sense the "buddy system" evolved there. It also means that you can't compare the air of paranoia you grew up with to the air of safety I grew up with, or my kids do even now.

Where I live (not California) kids still wander about alone, as they do in 99% of places in the world.

Not everywhere is California. Some places won't even allow you to own a gun, which makes it safer again.

OT and BBM Love this ! 'air of safety' ty

 

[blue22]

I walked down the street to my friend's house alone all the time. I wasn't even in kindergarten yet (I am sure because she moved that year). Mom had a newborn to take care of, dad was at work. It was a different place and a different time. Or, apparently she was perhaps just negligent?

A kid should be safe to walk down their own street or play in their yard. A parent turning their back for a moment, attending to another matter, or allowing them a little independence doesn't shift any portion of the blame for something like this onto them.

If there were CPS investigations in the past, they had been turned in, people who actually do know the family well, teachers, etc.....had negligence concerns that would be one thing. Nasty things a couple neighbors said, who perhaps knew their lifestyle and didn't care for it or a million other things that people don't like their neighbors for.....aren't enough for me.

But what do I know? I was neglected as a child.

Just offering my personal opinion. I believe there is a difference between a 6 year old walking to a friend's house, and being gone for hours. Also, to report a 6 year old missing at 9:00 pm. (Maybe it's just me, but I think that is very late for a small child to be walking home or responsible for themselves.) And, then the mom not being terribly concerned and saying, "She always does this." As if, they frequently don't know where she is, or what she is doing.

I don't like THAT, and it certainly has nothing to do with sexual preferences. <modship>

I believe a child should be able to walk to their neighbor's house. However, they didn't seem to know WHAT neighbor, where, why, when, etc. That is what I really find troubling.

 

[SuperTmo]

I walked down the street to my friend's house alone all the time. I wasn't even in kindergarten yet (I am sure because she moved that year). Mom had a newborn to take care of, dad was at work. It was a different place and a different time. Or, apparently she was perhaps just negligent?

A kid should be safe to walk down their own street or play in their yard. A parent turning their back for a moment, attending to another matter, or allowing them a little independence doesn't shift any portion of the blame for something like this onto them.

If there were CPS investigations in the past, they had been turned in, people who actually do know the family well, teachers, etc.....had negligence concerns that would be one thing. Nasty things a couple neighbors said, who perhaps knew their lifestyle and didn't care for it or a million other things that people don't like their neighbors for.....aren't enough for me.

But what do I know? I was neglected as a child.

should be safe, yes. but clearly weren't. And this isn't the first case where a kid was snatched from their street, right? People should learn. A little independence is one thing, hours and hours unattended, many many times?? another. there is a limit, I'd think. MOO. I guess we all have different comfort levels when it comes to letting our kids roam around all by themselves. It won't happen in my home, and YMMV.

 

[Hejlena]

OK, here goes.

F250, no bed liner, tailgate up, as I am not TRYING to hurt them and HTH would I explain an injury to LE if it happened?! LOL!! I was on a sandy road. My lab rats were C, 2 1/2 and 40 lbs, and J, 13 yrs old, 5'8'' and 200 lbs. Sat them on a tarp, and then went and made them lay down on the tarp and tried a few turns/going straight.

They really didn't slide at all. I turned L, went back and turned R, and they leaned toward the side of the truck. (I had J tell me which way he was forced to lean as we tried each move.) Now, when I went straight, quickly, J said that C slid a bit towards the tailgate, so I went and did it again, and I suspect I'd have had to take off quickly enough to leave skid marks in order to lose either kid- C more likely, as he's lighter. (I did tear up the sand, but wasn't going to go out to the pavement to try this!)

I was totally on the fence as far as if Alanna was left there intentionally or not, but after doing this I really, really think it WAS intentional. They just didn't slide around like I thought they would. Granted, I have no idea what kind of truck (if it was a truck) she was in. It could have had a bedliner, which would be more slippery. Heck, there could have been oil spilled in the back and slid her out easily. But the boys just didn't slide like I thought they would. Even the little one, who is smaller, but closer to Alanna's weight. I have to say, if it was not intentional, she had to have been at the very end of the bed, and the driver sped off quickly to leave her there. But I am just not sure that's how it happened...

Lol, "you think that's crazy?? One time my mom had us all get in the back of the pickup so she could..." :rockon:

 

[matou]

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This tells me they have nothing. JMO

 

[SuperTmo]

OK, here goes.

F250, no bed liner, tailgate up, as I am not TRYING to hurt them and HTH would I explain an injury to LE if it happened?! LOL!! I was on a sandy road. My lab rats were C, 2 1/2 and 40 lbs, and J, 13 yrs old, 5'8'' and 200 lbs. Sat them on a tarp, and then went and made them lay down on the tarp and tried a few turns/going straight.

They really didn't slide at all. I turned L, went back and turned R, and they leaned toward the side of the truck. (I had J tell me which way he was forced to lean as we tried each move.) Now, when I went straight, quickly, J said that C slid a bit towards the tailgate, so I went and did it again, and I suspect I'd have had to take off quickly enough to leave skid marks in order to lose either kid- C more likely, as he's lighter. (I did tear up the sand, but wasn't going to go out to the pavement to try this!)

I was totally on the fence as far as if Alanna was left there intentionally or not, but after doing this I really, really think it WAS intentional. They just didn't slide around like I thought they would. Granted, I have no idea what kind of truck (if it was a truck) she was in. It could have had a bedliner, which would be more slippery. Heck, there could have been oil spilled in the back and slid her out easily. But the boys just didn't slide like I thought they would. Even the little one, who is smaller, but closer to Alanna's weight. I have to say, if it was not intentional, she had to have been at the very end of the bed, and the driver sped off quickly to leave her there. But I am just not sure that's how it happened...

Alanna was dead weight though, and had no ability to naturally use her body against the force of the movements like live subjects would.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I see it the exact opposite.

The violence of the attack, the restraints - all indicate someone Alanna didn't know very well, if at all. Maybe just by sight.

Anyone who knew her well, would have time and leisure to groom her. Restraints wouldn't be needed.

:cow:

Unfortunately... I think the restraints were used for the perp's appreciation...

(Trying to put it delicately as possible.... )

JMO

 

[CatFancier]

should be safe, yes. but clearly weren't. And this isn't the first case where a kid was snatched from their street, right? People should learn. A little independence is one thing, hours and hours unattended, many many times?? another. there is a limit, I'd think. MOO. I guess we all have different comfort levels when it comes to letting our kids roam around all by themselves. It won't happen in my home, and YMMV.

Do you have a link to other kids being snatched from their street?

 

[SuperTmo]

should be safe, yes. but clearly weren't. And this isn't the first case where a kid was snatched from their street, right? People should learn. A little independence is one thing, hours and hours unattended, many many times?? another. there is a limit, I'd think. MOO. I guess we all have different comfort levels when it comes to letting our kids roam around all by themselves. It won't happen in my home, and YMMV.

Sorry to quote myself, but to clarify that BBM statement above, I didn't mean "their street" as in the Gallagher's actual street. I meant their as in general their.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

should be safe, yes. but clearly weren't. And this isn't the first case where a kid was snatched from their street, right? People should learn. A little independence is one thing, hours and hours unattended, many many times?? another. there is a limit, I'd think. MOO. I guess we all have different comfort levels when it comes to letting our kids roam around all by themselves. It won't happen in my home, and YMMV.

This is not a known fact and clearly victim blaming here. Not everyone is paranoid and reads on WS's.

 

[SuperTmo]

Do you have a link to other kids being snatched from their street?

No, sorry, I clarified what I meant in another post while you were posting. I re-read and realized that it sounded like I meant a prior abduction from their street, but that's definitely not what I meant. Just that kids have been snatched from streets before, and people should learn from those past actions and not let their kids be gone for hours.

 

[CatFancier]

Sorry to quote myself, but to clarify that BBM statement above, I didn't mean "their street" as in the Gallagher's actual street. I meant their as in general their.

Okay, thank you for clarifying.

 

[kkdj]

Lol, "you think that's crazy?? One time my mom had us all get in the back of the pickup so she could..." :rockon:

My son fell out of a pickup upon a bumpy takeoff. He was in an upright position.
It caused injuries also.
I would think if she fell out of the bed of the truck there would be injuries indicative of this. I have heard nothing stating some of her injuries were caused by falling out of a vehicle.
I suspect dhe was placed on the side of the road intentionally.
jmo

 

[alwaysonmymind]

My son fell out of a pickup upon a bumpy takeoff. He was in an upright position.
It caused injuries also.
I would think if she fell out of the bed of the truck there would be injuries indicative of this. I have heard nothing stating some of her injuries were caused by falling out of a vehicle.
I suspect dhe was placed on the side of the road intentionally.
jmo

I think she could have been pushed out of a cargo van or minivan sliding door or even from a car or truck passenger door. moo

 

[SuperTmo]

My son fell out of a pickup upon a bumpy takeoff. He was in an upright position.
It caused injuries also.
I would think if she fell out of the bed of the truck there would be injuries indicative of this. I have heard nothing stating some of her injuries were caused by falling out of a vehicle.
I suspect dhe was placed on the side of the road intentionally.
jmo

Do they know how long she was on the street before anyone realized what was under the tarp? Have they said what the earliest time the tarp was seen on the street?

For that matter have they said any of her injuries besides the bag and being bound? =(

I wish LE would give more info!

 

[BeginnersLuck]

My son fell out of a pickup upon a bumpy takeoff. He was in an upright position.
It caused injuries also.
I would think if she fell out of the bed of the truck there would be injuries indicative of this. I have heard nothing stating some of her injuries were caused by falling out of a vehicle.
I suspect dhe was placed on the side of the road intentionally.
jmo

A deceased body would have different signs of injury than an alive body. We have not really heard anything yet about all her injuries to be able to make any conclusions on these circumstances.

 

[Pensfan]

I don't have any criminal psych background, but isn't it also thought that some killers/rapists who bind their victims do so for a sense of power and control?

She could have been bound after death for some sicko reason. If the tape was tight, the medical examiner will know if this occurred before or after death.

 

[blue22]

My son fell out of a pickup upon a bumpy takeoff. He was in an upright position.
It caused injuries also.
I would think if she fell out of the bed of the truck there would be injuries indicative of this. I have heard nothing stating some of her injuries were caused by falling out of a vehicle.
I suspect dhe was placed on the side of the road intentionally.
jmo

Have we heard anything stating any of her injuries?

 

[kkdj]

I think she could have been pushed out of a cargo van or minivan sliding door or even from a car or truck passenger door. moo

I guess if she were pushed out from floor level of the vehicle it might not cause too much injury.
but I just really dont think she fell out of a bed of a truck. There would be physical evidence on her body of that imo