GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #5

[menmo]

I'm wondering if there was a relationship with the perp and the child through the parents and maybe they wanted her found quickly for that reason. Such as friendly neighbors, friends, and/or acquaintances. I can only hope that each dad and the mom are truly open and honest with each other about all people in their lives. I think they would be or the three of them with their relationship style wouldn't last long, right?

MOO

 

[Mitsana]

I wonder if there was an ice cream truck that frequents that neighborhood. I bet so. The close together streets with lots of kids are where ice cream trucks make their money. Am I the only one who always thinks an ice cream truck is driven by a creep ?

I have to say that listening to that music all day would drive me insane.

I don't particularly think an ice cream truck would have anything to do with it... but thinking along those lines is an interesting idea... some vehicle that seems so normal that no one would think to mention it, like a UPS truck or whatever. That said, they seem to have a line on the red pick up (I hope it was actually spotted in relation to this crime, not just going back to the last incident) and maybe the dark minivan. But I still don't get why they are having trouble finding the red pick up.

 

[SCHMAE]

I have to say that listening to that music all day would drive me insane.

I don't particularly think an ice cream truck would have anything to do with it... but thinking along those lines is an interesting idea... some vehicle that seems so normal that no one would think to mention it, like a UPS truck or whatever. That said, they seem to have a line on the red pick up (I hope it was actually spotted in relation to this crime, not just going back to the last incident) and maybe the dark minivan. But I still don't get why they are having trouble finding the red pick up.

I'm wondering more about a frequent ice cream truck driver ( sorry to all u innocent ice cream dudes ) who sees all the kids in a neighborhood frequently..and yet draws very little CONCERN from parents. Maybe he came back in his own vehicle after scoping the area for a target.

 

[Pensfan]

I had a thought this morning--let's think of reasons a perp would *need* the body found right away. Not want, as in gratification or narcissism or anything, but need. Are there any practical reasons this perp would need Alanna found straight away?

IF Alanna was dumped in a residential area because the hideous creep wanted her to be immediately found, it might be because
-the creep didn't want her family to need to look for her forever
-the creep thought an immediate funeral would be easier on the family than the idea of a decayed corpse
-the creep thought once her body was found and it appeared that Alanna was an overkill, sexually-motivated, sadistic psychopath's victim that he would not be one of the prime suspects

IF this is true, the monstrous creep should have done his homework. Sexually sadists are well known to strangle or stab their victims. The medical examiner said Alanna wasn't stabbed, shot, or strangled.

 

[Wondergirl]

Sorry, could you link us to which article you mean? I can't seem to reverse-engineer which one you're talking about.

JR again: at the time, lots of websleuthers did make potential links between Austin Sigg and other similar attacks in the vicinity, and at least one of them panned out and he was later charged with it (the jogger).

Sorry:

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/07/11/vigil-held-in-memory-of-alanna-gallagher/

 

[EBrown]

Do you think it's possible that whoever did this committed suicide afterwards? Maybe because the plan to conceal the body went wrong and they thought they would be caught... It would explain the fact that the police say there's no reason for the community to worry. Maybe they have a suicide, suspect that person is responsible, but have to prove it and prove no one else was involved.

E

 

[KMouse]

SNIPPED

*). Where would the driver of the vehicle be located?
--Assuming there was a driver. Nobody saw this appear on the street. Could it have been dragged?

--Assuming there is a tailgate on the truck. Maybe there wasn't a tailgate at all. Some people take them off.

--If there was a vehicle involved could it have been a van with automatic doors or a back door that didn't close properly or a van with two people and the body is pushed out one of the sliding side doors.

*). Why would the tarp drop on the right side of the vehicle?
--Because it could have been a non truck vehicle. Or Alanna was in the passenger seat.

*). The tarp was more than likely used as a cover for transport and nothing more.

--was she wrapped in the tarp or was it like you suggest just a cover? If it was a cover then where in the vehicle would Alanna's body be to need to be covered with a tarp?

*). Could someone easily and without detection while traveling alone, pull up to that stop sign in that intersection and easily open a door and slide that body/tarp out and then drive off? Solo? Or would they need assistance?

--depends on the vehicle. Van with sliding side door....assistance is needed.
Car....no assistance.
Truck....assistance or some kind of luck or bad luck depending on the killer's intent that the body falls out then and there....without detection.

My conclusions include: Someone was nervous and anxious to get rid of that and didn't want to risk transporting any further.

My answers are in purple, hope I did this right.

 

[KMouse]

Do you think it's possible that whoever did this committed suicide afterwards? Maybe because the plan to conceal the body went wrong and they thought they would be caught... It would explain the fact that the police say there's no reason for the community to worry. Maybe they have a suicide, suspect that person is responsible, but have to prove it and prove no one else was involved.

E

I think the scanner peeps would have heard about a suicide call in the 'hood if that were so.

 

[Pensfan]

Welcome to Websleuths, EBrown!
:welcome:

 

[Pensfan]

EBrown-there is a scanner thread in the basement area where peeps listen to what is occurring on the police scanner in Saginaw. Sometimes the police go to a different frequency to 'hide" what they need to say from those who are listening to their scanners. I don't know if you still need a post count of 50 to be able to read the basement posts. Does anyone else know?

Your idea about the suicide was a good idea. Keep posting with us.

 

[jjenny]

LE pretty much admitted they don't have any prime suspect at the moment.
I am not sure why they would take public not to worry, but probably just not to cause panic in the community. It doesn't mean they know who the suspect is.

 

[Pensfan]

LE pretty much admitted they don't have any prime suspect at the moment.
I am not sure why they would take public not to worry, but probably just not to cause panic in the community. It doesn't mean they know who the suspect is.

Perhaps, but remember that the officer also made the rather bizarre comment of "Things like this happen sometimes in our community". This statement came right after he said, "It is an isolated incident." This made me think her COD was an accident or domestic abuse because kids found dead in tarps isn't something that "happens sometimes" in Saginaw, TX. This safe, middle class community has an extremely low crime rate.

 

[TracyLynnS]

Regarding the Red Truck with the Green Paint Splotch:

Way back in this discussion when the bird poop was being sleuthed, did anyone here call that truck in as a tip?

As I recall, a google street view image was posted of a red truck parked in a driveway of a home either in the area of AG's house or the area where she was found (can't remember which).

The truck had a bird poo spot on the back passenger side, same/similar to the location of the green paint splotch on the red truck described by witnesses as being seen at the intersection where AG was found.

Because of that particular spot and it's location on the truck, it stood out as different, to me, from the many other red trucks in that area.

 

[jjenny]

Perhaps, but remember that the officer also made the rather bizarre comment of "things like this happen sometimes in our community". This statement came right after he said "it is an isolated incident". This made me think her COD was an accident or domestic abuse because kids found dead in tarps isn't something that "happens sometimse" in Saginaw, TX. This safe, middle class community has an extremely low crime rate.

Or he might have been talking about Opal Jennings.

 

[iamnotagolem]

There are a couple of others cases of kids found in/next to the street.
They just didn't get as much publicity.

Most were just "tossed out" so where they landed was not a conscious choice.


Tennielle Big Day was found dead on a highway
Mom had pushed her out of the vehicle.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192601&highlight=hit+car



Alijah was left on the side of the road, by his father

http://www.khou.com/news/local/Trav...ce-for-slaying-3-month-old-son-130360933.html



Baby Crystal was found just off the road, Mom put her there.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87834&highlight=katie+stockton



Baby Boy Horry also found on the side of the road, left by a parent it's assumed (unidentified)

http://www.carolinalive.com/news/story.aspx?id=832393#.Ud-5Mm2AxLw

What I find extremely sad is that all the ones linked were done by parents. Who does that?

Back to the how did her body get there, if the perp was living in the neighborhood, why not a wheel barrow?

 

[Pensfan]

Or he might have been talking about Opal Jennings.

Was Opal Jennings' killer thought to have been "railroaded" or framed? Why do some people believe the wrong killer was put in jail? (I apologize, but my coffee hasn't kicked in. I'm too sleepy to google this for an hour this morning. Does anyone already know this answer and can quickly post it? TIA)

 

[momtective]

Red truck is confirmed as related to the crime, according to that article, the dark mini van implicated.

Is it possible that this was a tandem crime, and if so, was it another female luring situation?

Finding everything difficult to evaluate right now.

Please call or send in anything to crimestoppers you may think will help LE. They have their hands full.

Link please. :wave:

 

[Pensfan]

What I find extremely sad is that all the ones linked were done by parents. Who does that?

Back to the how did her body get there, if the perp was living in the neighborhood, why not a wheel barrow?

She was likely pushed/placed out of the car/van/truck while the vehicle was stopped at the stop sign. Whoever did this placed Alanna at the curb and not in the middle of the road where she might be smashed by drivers who refused to swerve for the tarp.

 

[jjenny]

Was Opal Jennings' killer thought to have been "railroaded" or framed? Why do some people believe the wrong killer was put in jail? (I apologize, but my coffee hasn't kicked in. I'm too sleepy to google this for an hour this morning. Does anyone already know this answer and can quickly post it? TIA)

My understanding is that he was convicted on a confession and witness ID.
No physical evidence and he didn't reveal location of the body.
So it's not a 100 % convincing that he is a guilty party.

 

[EBrown]

I think the scanner peeps would have heard about a suicide call in the 'hood if that were so.

It could have gone out as a routine medical call - person in need of medical assistance. But probably the police would be swarming the site as soon as there was a suspected connection, so this theory is likely a dud. Local people would notice.

But perhaps the person drove to another city or state and was found there but has a known connection to the family. Then police could be all over that location and the public wouldn't be aware of any connection.

All total speculation.