GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #5

[Mitsana]

There must have been something found with Alanna that was either a Walmart bag or receipt because they were requested to be seized in the search warrant. Why ask for those items specifically when a receipt/bag could come from any store? Maybe there was a Walmart receipt found inside of the garbage bag with Alanna's body?

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/SaginawSearchWarrant.pdf

I agree that it seems very likely that some evidence of a Walmart purchase was found with the body. Very possibly, one or more Walmart plastic bags. But it could be a receipt or a Walmart price tag that got stuck on something or maybe even the use of a brand (store brand?) of something (tarp? tape? garbage bag?) that was found at the scene. It's a bit too far of a jump to say that Walmart bags were found at the scene and that's why LE seized Walmart bags. However, it's also possible that that is exactly what happened.

 

[human]

Oh I would not say they have this wrapped up.

But I do think they are leaning in the direction I think they should.

This may never be wrapped up who knows.

Thanks. I think the same. It appears what they are not asking for is significant, to me.

In so many cases when the perp is caught and the info LE has is released, it is astounding what they had and knew,

Unfortunately, in the new KC age, I bet they are even more intense on what they have.

Sure, they got Jodi Arias, but even though she is on film, the jury is having issues.

 

[human]

Can't believe I found this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Imette_St._Guillen

Interesting. The binding of the feet and the taping of the head.

I can see having to restrain an adult woman, but I wonder what the taping of hands and feet is all about with Alanna.

Does this happen often with children?

 

[GingerzMomma]

I agreed with him when he speculated that JonBenet had evidence of digital penetration, but disagreed with his statements that Patsy might not have been able to write the ransom note. I think he grossly underestimated Perfect Patsy's narcissism and self-survival instincts. I also agreed with his assessment that some of the ransom note's phrases were taken from movies.

For what it's worth, Dr. Meyer who performed autopsy documented the vaginal injuries in the autopsy report and that they occurred before and not at time of her death. There is a statement from him in below link where he said it happened at least three days before she died (based on inflammation present in tissues):

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/cyril_wecht/6.html

 

[human]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOJOZgmCAAAO_3P.jpg:large

I'm still on the black 'plastic' I know, but I've been digging for clarification.

I think this is the same piece of 'plastic' from another angle, and if so may give us a better grasp of size. From the same tweeter.

twoodard8 Teresa Woodard 1 Jul
FBI found more evidence on Cindy Ln. in Saginaw. Crime scene is expanding.

https://twitter.com/twoodard8/status/351925836007473153/photo/1

I zoomed in on the picture



And where I believe from the picture, where it was found. (on cindy lane circled in red, blue is location of body/tarp)



But reading through the scanner chatter I found this. Could this be what it is?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9655198&postcount=827

JMO :twocents:

Anyone from the area willing to go to a street made out of similar aggregate and take a piece of plastic bag or tape and see what the size of the item could be?

 

[jjenny]

A healthy body will compensate for a limited excess of CO2 by increasing the respiration rate. Google acid-base imbalance.

I don't think Alanna suffocated in a Walmart bag because (in my experience) Walmart bags always leaked kitty litter which = always have sizable holes along the seam. I didn't state that no one has ever suffocated because of a plastic bag.

There is some really good reason why the police offcer said, "This is an isolated incident. Things like this happen sometimes in our community." The police took the Gallagher's pool chemicals. I think Alanna drowned. If the police had taken her scooter or bike, I would assume the officer's statement meant that she had been hit by a car.

Suffocation in plastic bag is not uncommon in babies/small children.
I don't believe it has to be airtight for suffocation to happen.

"The Dangers of Plastic Bags
Suffocation can occur when a plastic bag covers the airway of the nose and mouth and prevents the child from breathing. This can happen through the suction of breathing in, and small babies especially are not adept at removing something blocking their airway. Toddlers can put a bag over their head while pretending it's a hat or hood and can become trapped inside, unable to breathe. Infants can roll onto a bag on a bed or floor nearby, and their airway can be blocked by the bag."
http://www.life123.com/parenting/ba...afety-beware-of-plastic-bag-suffocation.shtml

 

[SCHMAE]

For what it's worth, Dr. Meyer who performed autopsy documented the vaginal injuries in the autopsy report and that they occurred before and not at time of her death. There is a statement from him in below link where he said it happened at least three days before she died (based on inflammation present in tissues):

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/cyril_wecht/6.html

OMG OT But I NEVER heard that ,,,,,,, ever . That's quite a game changer, isn't it ? ty

 

[SCHMAE]

Anyone from the area willing to go to a street made out of similar aggregate and take a piece of plastic bag or tape and see what the size of the item could be?

I have no idea what you just asked but I am willing to.

 

[jjenny]

OMG OT But I NEVER heard that ,,,,,,, ever . That's quite a game changer, isn't it ? ty

That was JonBenet Ramsey's autopsy.

 

[SCHMAE]

That was JonBenet Ramsey's autopsy.

Yes I understood that part,,, thus the OT. Tks though.. I just had no idea. I hope they find nothing similar with Alanna . It's horrible enough knowing what we do now

 

[KMouse]

Interesting. The binding of the feet and the taping of the head.

I can see having to restrain an adult woman, but I wonder what the taping of hands and feet is all about with Alanna.

Does this happen often with children?

**GRAPHIC**

To keep her from grabbing the bag off of her face?

Because the perp gets off on restraints?

Because the perp liked to watch her thrash about while she suffocated?

From what I have learned there are all kinds of sickos out there who have certain philias. Some like latex gloves or balloons. Some like diapers. You name it, somebody gets off on it.

 

[GingerzMomma]

How long was her hair when she died?

Is it possible the hair "sticking out of the bag" was coming out the bottom (toward shoulders)?

 

[menmo]

Thoughts of Alanna keep rushing through my mind.
I am kind of stuck on the thought right now of what if it was a teenage neighbor that committed this act? It's been said that Alanna was outside playing a lot and maybe the neighbor kid, with issues of his/her own got annoyed with her and did this to her? The only problem I have is why strip her down and how would they get her over to where she was put without being seen.

My mind is going crazy with this. Wish we had some more answers. Hoping for justice for her soon.

MOO

ETA: Can't quit thinking about one specific kid in our area when my kids were growing up and how none of the neighbor kids really liked him because he was mean. Many speculated that he had "issues".

 

[Mitsana]

FWIW, here's a link with a video interview of the Acuna girls and their father (regarding the red pickup truck incident).

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Incident-With-Pickup-Truck-Eyed-in-Saginaw-Slaying-214693701.html

The girls mention how rusty the truck was. I wonder if the green splotch might have been primer?

Good for the dad confronting the driver and getting the license (or most of it). I don't understand why we haven't heard any follow up on that.

 

[KateB]

It's true, Kate, Walmart bags were seized. I have yet to find a direct quote from an eyewitness, however, which mentions a Walmart bag. Have you seen one?

No direct quote, no. Only the one sentence in only one article which is not supported by all the other direct quotes in all the other articles. Nor have I heard it in any of the news videos.

 

[human]

I have no idea what you just asked but I am willing to.

There are a few pics on here now of the item that was found in the street.

People are trying to figure out what it is, but we cannot understand the scale.

I tried to figure out using roads where I walk, but the aggregate is of different sizes and spread out differently on the two roads I was on where I live.

So that makes it hard to figure out scale.

In the latest pics posted, it looks like curly black tape to me.

And it looks to be about 10 inches long when I compare it to the shoe of one of the men.

It would be great to get a more accurate idea of the size of the item found in the road as it would eliminate some ideas we had that varied in size greatly

See skiaboo, post 878

 

[Donjeta]

A healthy body will compensate for a limited excess of CO2 by increasing the respiration rate. Google acid-base imbalance.

I don't think Alanna suffocated in a Walmart bag because (in my experience) Walmart bags always leaked kitty litter which = always have sizable holes along the seam. I didn't state that no one has ever suffocated because of a plastic bag.

There is some really good reason why the police offcer said, "This is an isolated incident. Things like this happen sometimes in our community." The police took the Gallagher's pool chemicals. I think Alanna drowned. If the police had taken her scooter or bike, I would assume the officer's statement meant that she had been hit by a car.

I'm not a fan of assuming too much on the basis of statements that may have meant many things.

You're right, the body is able to compensate some oxygen deprivation by increasing the respiratory rate but you still need to have sufficient levels of oxygen available. Increasing the respiration rate may not help indefinitely if your head is stuck in a plastic bag in which the CO2 concentration is steadily on the rise, even if there is a leak. If it's possible for children to accidentally suffocate in plastic bags which have not been purposefully taped airtight from the open end (taping or tying it airtight would likely not be an accident) it may be possible to suffocate in plastic bags that have small holes if the oxygen deprivation goes on for long enough and the victim is unable to remove the bag.

JMO but I think going from 'This is an isolated incident' to 'they must have said so because she drowned' may be jumping to conclusions as it seems to me that sometimes the police says so just because they don't have any other open cases at the moment that seem to be connected, regardless of the cause of death. And these things happen in the neighborhood, even if it was a murder by beating etc. (think Opal Jennings.)

Even if she didn't drown there could have been evidence that she had been in contact with pool water or pool chemicals recently which would give them a reason to take the chemicals to try to figure ut her last hours. Similarly they might have taken a dead child's scooter or bike for a number of reasons including fingerprints and trace evidence if they suspected the perp moved or touched the item even if the CD wasn't being hit by a car.

You might be right and she drowned but there are more explanations for the police comments and the items taken in the search. Also, I 'm wondering what the point of saying the ME does not know the cause of death is for if it was already clear to the police that she drowned by the time they were making these comments.

 

[human]

As far as cause if death, it may be that she could have died from a number of reasons. She could have been poisoned, but was it the poison that killed her or was it the plastic bag over her head, for instance.

A person may be dead at a car accident. Was it the injuries from the accident that killed them, or was it the heart attack that they had that caused them to have the car accident.

It is possible that she had a number of things done to her which could have led to her death and figuring out which one was the actual cause may the issue.

 

[AnnieOakley]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOJOZgmCAAAO_3P.jpg:large

I'm still on the black 'plastic' I know, but I've been digging for clarification.

<<RSBM>>

Can someone clarify for me what is in the background of this first pic? It looks like a pic (close up) of the black "plastic" on the street, but I'm having trouble getting it in context of the background... It almost looks like someone put a monitor behind it?? I do not see dimensions well at all so I think my brain just isn't getting it... Help!

 

[skibaboo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOJOZgmCAAAO_3P.jpg:large

I'm still on the black 'plastic' I know, but I've been digging for clarification.

<<RSBM>>

Can someone clarify for me what is in the background of this first pic? It looks like a pic (close up) of the black "plastic" on the street, but I'm having trouble getting it in context of the background... It almost looks like someone put a monitor behind it?? I do not see dimensions well at all so I think my brain just isn't getting it... Help!

Do you mean the darkness above the "evidence"? It's a picture of a picture (photo taken of camera screen)

From the tweet the picture was attached to
Teresa Woodard &#8207;@twoodard8 1 Jul
Pic of our camera's screen. FBI evidence collectors appeared to zero in on piece of plastic in road. pic.twitter.com/kwkSkk6Ftj

If you do mean the darkness in the background I think, if you look at the 2nd picture https://twitter.com/twoodard8/status/351925836007473153/photo/1

You see there is a vehicle parked very close by. I think the darkness is part of the vehicle and the shadow cast by the vehicle. JMO