GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #6

[willowfae]

I don't think she would have gone willingly with someone who she didn't trust ti some extent. There was a story in the news coverage about her yelling at a neighbor from up in a tree that she wasn't supposed to talk to strangers or something like that.

 

[Mitsana]

I was just going to mention this, but I saw your response first. Her underwear would be telling. Most boys don't wear purple panties.

It doesn't sound like the witness saw the purple underwear at that point:

'At first, I just thought it was some rubber stuff at first, and then I got a closer look and all I saw was a bag and I saw some hair sticking out and so, I was like, "Oh my God! It’s a girl!"' he said.

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[carbuff]

Sorry... I meant it doesn't seem like a natural path, to go through Saginaw. Unless, he had family here.

Ah, yes, I see what you mean. Yes, it does seem unlikely, I agree. The similarities are probably just weird coincidences.

 

[greenpalm]

I would be cautious around here, waving at someone driving a car because of their hair length. :facepalm:

In Saginaw, it would be pretty reasonable to assume long hair on a child = girl. Especially if they also saw the body with the purple underpants.

Hair bow, beret, ponytail in back, or braid, are just a few ways to surmise the body was that of a little girl.

On both of these points, I wondered if maybe the boy wasn't describing it exactly as it happened. Perhaps he didn't drop to his knees and start to cry, but thought maybe that's what people expected to hear from him. And perhaps he just meant that he saw hair, realised it was a person, but in telling the story when he was aware it was a girl, that became "I saw it was a girl" (can't recall the exact wording, sorry).

Yes with some layering, whispy type side fringe. TBH I thought it was a boy when I first looked

Even with that you wouldn't be able to tell if it was a boy or a girl without seeing the body. You can't tell sex by the length of the hair .....only. :moo:

No, but you can assume. I don't think it's strange at all, that a teen boy saw longer hair, and went straight to thinking it's a girl. It's a totally reasonable assumption, in my opinion. I don't run into many long haired boys around here. I think even ** I ** would have assumed it was a girl.

regarding her hair, I don't know what made the kid assume it was a girl. He may have seen more than the hair, like the purple underwear for example. I'd ask the same question about her purple underwear that I did about the vehicles. These are details the media has gotten from witnesses and neighbors: NOT from LE, right? LE has said hardly a thing.

ETA: I'm asking where the information about the purple underwear came from, because if it DIDN'T come from LE (Which I doubt. Why would they tell the press that?) Then it came from a witness.

Also, could she have had her nails painted or a bracelet?… I wonder what happened to her shoes.

Anyway, whatever her hair length, and whatever this teen used to assume she was female, as Gitana1 said, none of it is relevant unless someone is trying to implicate the teen who found her. FWIW, longer hair is fairly common in boys now. My 9 year old son is often mistaken for a girl, regardless of how he is dressed. Usually it's older people or people of different cultures/ethnicities (in ethnic restaurants) that assume he is a girl. He gets annoyed, but he gets why. As I said before, we live about 60 miles from Saginaw. <modsnip>

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

Interesting....Alanna's body was placed on the street the day folks set out their trash bags, etc.

from looking at the photos...ill look again if i can find them. I did-not see any trash setting by street for trash pickup. though i was not looking for it so i didn't see it or recall seeing trash....But it does make me wonder if perhaps she was being placed by other trash for pickup....Would the trash personal had just picked up the tarp and throw it in the truck for disposal?

Would this day, in question be for heavy trash pickup?> Where I used to live we had regular trash pickup and than a day for heavy trash pickup.
Was this day going to be a heavy trash pickup?

 

[greenpalm]

from looking at the photos...ill look again if i can find them. I did-not see any trash setting by street for trash pickup. though i was not looking for it so i didn't see it or recall seeing trash....But it does make me wonder if perhaps she was being placed by other trash for pickup....Would the trash personal had just picked up the tarp and throw it in the truck for disposal?

Would this day, in question be for heavy trash pickup?> Where I used to live we had regular trash pickup and than a day for heavy trash pickup.
Was this day going to be a heavy trash pickup?

This was covered up thread somewhere. Saginaw is not required to use bins for their trash, so, in a word, yes. The tarp would have been added to the trash truck. (Isn't that was supposed to have happened to Etan Patz? He got put out with the trash and picked up and taken to a landfill?)

But then, I would ask&#8230; why did the mother send those two boys to get the trash out of the street? Had the trash already been picked up by the time they discovered her?

We have two locals who said they saw trash by the curb in the neighborhood when they drove through at 1:20 and 1:30, I believe

 

[IBsleuthin]

A little more was said than just that it was an odd reaction. Which may be why the post was removed? IMO, there was a clear inference that the 18 year old could have been involved. Hence Mitsana's post weighing that posdibility, and mine. See below.

BBM

Thank you for your concern and keeping track of my posts. I hadn't even noticed that myself.


I'll write it again here, I think the reaction was ODD.

 

[GingerzMomma]

AND:

The days when families 'protect their own' need to be OVER. In my humble opinion MORE HARM has been committed by families AND WIVES IN PARTICULAR who know, KNOW that a family member is sick and due to shame or whatever misguided @#$$%^ they have, they decide to sweep it under the rug and not seek help. Tell no one.

I want to see laws that say if you know you have a family member capable of this and they commit a crime then you face the law as well.


Just last week I had a friend approach me because the in-laws were INSISTING on a sleep over with grandpa and grandma but this friend of mine KNEW that grandpa had been a molester in the past.

WHAT THE :stormingmad: WHHYYYYYYYYYY do families CATER to these sick individuals????? Why do the wives continue to look the other way?

Hello......first time I've driven by all day - buried in work. Priorities, I know.....

At the risk of randomly responding when you are scanning to catch up, my answer to why wives/family look the other way:

to avoid being "outcast"

Now, why I'd want to be a member of that club I don't know. I'm sure the answer has to do with codependency, low self-esteem, etc.....

Also, I think it's to deny a certain amount of guilt they may feel for being complicit or otherwise allowing it to continue. For example, I know someone who says that "things" happened in their family. Was a total shocker. When I asked if they said anything to other family about those "things" at the time or anytime later they said no, and they never would. I asked why not? Answer: because if I ever found out the same thing happened to other family members and I never spoke up I would feel bad.

I'm not saying that it's okay or would be how I'd handle it.....I'm just saying that is how the (condensed version of) a similar situation went for me.

FWIW

 

[SilkySifaka]

I am more than ever convinced that they have DNA results that do not match the parents after watching Alittia's press conference. LE got the DNA back in two days confirming the blood they found was hers. It is so much faster now and a child murder with killer unknown is going to take priority.

That is why they did the second canvass and blocked off the streets again imo. If test results matched the parents they would have him or her in jail.

I could be wrong but I don't think so. They may not have said much but their actions after the first day imo show no leads or few leads with the 2nd big canvass happening for some reason and the logical conclusion is their first thought (parents) didn't pan out

 

[Mitsana]

from looking at the photos...ill look again if i can find them. I did-not see any trash setting by street for trash pickup. though i was not looking for it so i didn't see it or recall seeing trash....But it does make me wonder if perhaps she was being placed by other trash for pickup....Would the trash personal had just picked up the tarp and throw it in the truck for disposal?

Would this day, in question be for heavy trash pickup?> Where I used to live we had regular trash pickup and than a day for heavy trash pickup.
Was this day going to be a heavy trash pickup?

It doesn't sound like the perp tried to hide it with trash for pickup. Here's a snippet of interview with the parents of one of the boys who found the body.

"He said he saw a tarp in the middle of an intersection, tightly rapped (sic) with a belt.
'I said, "Well, let&#8217;s pick it up, let&#8217;s put it in the trash can," you know, because we&#8217;re a clean community,' he told the Morning News."


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[:+:MrTT:+:]

This was covered up thread somewhere. Saginaw is not required to use bins for their trash, so, in a word, yes. The tarp would have been added to the trash truck. (Isn't that was supposed to have happened to Etan Patz? He got put out with the trash and picked up and taken to a landfill?)

But then, I would ask… why did the mother send those two boys to get the trash out of the street? Had the trash already been picked up by the time they discovered her?

We have two locals who said they saw trash by the curb in the neighborhood when they drove through at 1:20 and 1:30, I believe

quote........We have two locals who said they saw trash by the curb in the neighborhood when they drove through at 1:20 and 1:30, I believe[/quote]......end of quote.
thank you.

 

[Mitsana]

Which may be why the post was removed... <snip> 18 year old <snip>.

From the second post in this thread (BBM):

MINORS: Websleuths.com™ does not allow the naming of, or photographs of, minors (children under the age of 18)

So, I don't think discussion of an 18 year old would be a reason for post removal. However, the reason might be related (literally).

 

[greenpalm]

Beer. Definitely beer.

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Here's a route that I was speculating about:

http://goo.gl/maps/sG8dq

Imagine a truck speeding down Woodcrest, hooking that sharp right onto Roundrock, possibly fishtailing a bit then hooking the left onto Cindy, the intersection where the body was found.

Also, I asked about the belt, because I would assume that a clever perp would not intentionally leave his own presumably DNA-filled belt at the scene. There are other possibilities, just wondering which one you favored if you felt the body was left there intentionally (belt = strap, belt was new, perp made a mistake, perp intentionally used someone else's belt to frame them, perp grabbed something from the home but he came from elsewhere, perp had access to a belt from a thrift store and used it as a red herring, etc).

Perhaps the belt was cleaned with bleach or pool water or diluted bleach?

 

[Kaliste]

Still no new news. This is unbearably frustrating.

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

A lot of the initial reports describe the body as being found in the middle of the road. The boys were going to move it out of the street. So, I wonder if maybe the boys had already dragged the tarp to the side of the road before discovering what was inside.

Those initial reports. Did those come from eyewitnesses, whom verified that the tarp was in the middle of the road. Or where they based upon what the boys told the LEOs and the press?.........Ill move on, just curious.

Another-wards I Am assuming that others besides the boys send the tarp in the middle of the road before they dragged it to the curb.

 

[skibaboo]

(Color and bolded by me for emphasis).

Excellent question. I totally agree. How about you? Have YOU found a dead body?

I have yes, my dear nanna, unexpected. I ran back out the house shaking and crying in shock. But a few years later I found my Mum, in eerily similar circumstances, I thought she was dead at first but she was unconscious (stroke) That time I went into action on automatic.

You just do not know how you will react.

 

[tiredblondy]

I have yes, my dear nanna, unexpected. I ran back out the house shaking and crying in shock. But a few years later I found my Mum, in eerily similar circumstances, I thought she was dead at first but she was unconscious (stroke) That time I went into action on automatic.

You just do not know how you will react.

I have also found a dead body. My Dad! He had died 13 hrs earlier and everything I thought I'd do and how I'd react went out the window.

 

[Pensfan]

Those initial reports. Did those come from eyewitnesses, whom verified that the tarp was in the middle of the road. Or where they based upon what the boys told the LEOs and the press?.........Ill move on, just curious.

Another-wards I Am assuming that others besides the boys send the tarp in the middle of the road before they dragged it to the curb.

There are crime scene photos showing the tarp at the curbside. It was always at the curbside, BUT it wasn't at the curbside in front of the home. Alanna's body was at the curb near a side yard and not near a driveway.

I don't know how bulky trash pickup works in other cities, but in mine, your trash has to go near the end of your driveway or they won't pick it up.

 

[skibaboo]

I have also found a dead body. My Dad! He had died 13 hrs earlier and everything I thought I'd do and how I'd react went out the window.

Exactly, sorry to hear that too (hugs)

 

[Mitsana]

Those initial reports. Did those come from eyewitnesses, whom verified that the tarp was in the middle of the road. Or where they based upon what the boys told the LEOs and the press?.........Ill move on, just curious.

Another-wards I Am assuming that others besides the boys send the tarp in the middle of the road before they dragged it to the curb.

The "middle of the road" was thrown around a lot, but that phrase might just be added color. However, it does seem clear that at the point the boys saw the tarp, it was not located in an appropriate place for trash pickup (or perhaps the neighborhood where it was located had already had its trash picked up), since the family felt it was necessary to clean up the "trash."

(Here's something I quoted a few msgs ago: )

"He said he saw a tarp in the middle of an intersection, tightly rapped (sic) with a belt.
'I said, "Well, let&#8217;s pick it up, let&#8217;s put it in the trash can," you know, because we&#8217;re a clean community,' he told the Morning News."


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