GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #6

[kkdj]

I sure hope you're right about LE knowing who did this and where they are. And don't worry about scaring me any more than I already am. I'm not sure it's possible. I am writing this in my bedroom with my kids in bed between me and my husband. Yes, I am over-the-top.

I feel so bad for you! I was wondering if you slept with your kids right next to during these times. I know I would!
I think that LE knows who the perp is. Can you just imagine them having made a public announcement that neighborhood is in no danger, if something more were to happen, the liability? So even though nobody has been arrested for this murder, they much have someone they feel sure about. And they will keep him/her/them under surveillance.
However, much as I believe what I am saying, I would sleep next to my kids until someone is actually arrested.
Jmo

 

[Donjeta]

I have asked but no one has answered so I will try again.

How much traffic is at that intersection?

If there was a huge thing like that in the middle of the road, wouldn't someone pick it up? It would be totally dangerous to motorists. People screeching on their brakes or swerving to avoid it.

So, either there is zero traffic there or it was not in the middle of the road. Or people are incredibly lazy.

Or it was found by the boys almost immediately.

Thank you. I think that having been trash day more than likely says the perp is very local and knew it was trash day.
Sorry, dont mean to frighten you anymore than you probably already are.
I do think LE feels pretty certain who the perp is and are keeping him/her under surveillance.
Jmo

I think the perp most likely was local too but it was probably quite obvious to all and sundry that it was trash day, seeing the garbage bags all over.

 

[Donjeta]

Also, if we want to get into the psychology of this crime -- if someone was dumping her body on the street for attention, then why not dump her body without covering. Based on the reports that have been cobbled together, this child was wrapped in bags and a tarp, which indicates the killer's desire to conceal her.

If all of this was for attention, I think her body would have been left without covering. There are a lot of layers of concealment, though, based on the 911 calls and reports and whatnot (tape, bag over her head, tarp, etc.).

If he wanted attention but not so much that he'd be caught it would have been kind of risky to be seen carrying and dumping a dead body openly without a cover. It was still daylight and it was a residential area.

 

[greenpalm]

Would LE use a search warrant with a list like they did even if the family agreed to allow them search the home and seize whatever property they needed for an investigation?

In other words, does the presence of a written search warrant imply that the family required it, and wouldn't grant permission to access the home and contents otherwise, or is it more likely that LE would use an official written warrant simply to have a record for legal purposes later in a trial setting. Is it a paper trail that they'd use regardless?

 

[Mitsana]

On the assumption that the body was intentionally left in the location where it was placed, I've come up with a speculative route that the perp might have taken from Allana's neighborhood. Let's say the perp originally planned to leave the body in the nearby wooded area to the south and a bit west. The perp may have driven there, and discovered that traffic was just too frequent to be a comfortable place to stop and discard a body. If you zoom in with satellite view, it does look like all those roads have some traffic on them.

So, let's say the perp chickens out and decides it's a better plan to leave the body on a quiet residential street. The route I show makes some amount of sense. It turns onto the first available residential street, and only makes turns after coming to T intersections subsequently. During that drive down residential roads, the perp is looking for the perfect spot but becoming more desperate. By the time the perp reaches spot C, the perp lowers his standards since there just isn't much more before heading into the next subdivision, closer to Alannah's neighborhood. Another thing that works with this route is that the vehicle is moving in the proper direction so that the body would naturally end up on the side of the street next to the curb where it was shown in the pictures.

Here's a map of that route:

http://goo.gl/maps/ZJ58F

I updated the route to start at the home address. That does not mean that I necessarily think that the perp lives at that address; I am just using that location for more clarity.

Here is an article with a picture of the house:

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/tarr...of-slain-Saginaw-girls-parents-214656741.html

 

[madeleine]

I've looked everywhere and can't find what I want
do we have a map that displays both the location where the body was found and also the location of their home?

thanks in advance!

 

[Mitsana]

I've looked everywhere and can't find what I want
do we have a map that displays both the location where the body was found and also the location of their home?

thanks in advance!

FWIW, I went back and updated the map I posted above with the starting address being Alanna's home.
Point A on the map I posted above is in front of her home. Point C is the intersection where the body was found.

 

[madeleine]

thank you Mitsana,

do we have a COD?
did they find the clothes she was wearing when she went missing?

 

[kiteflier]

My main problem with a perp dropping her off in the middle of an intersection for shock value is the need for attention versus the risk of getting caught. I know some psychologists might argue that people like this want to be caught, but eh, I don't think so in this case. There's nothing really significant, in terms of symbolic, about the intersection except that it's not private. Most killers either leave the bodies of their victims where they are or hide the bodies of their victims. I can't think of a child who was murdered whose body was left on display. This child was dumped on a residential street. IMHO, it doesn't seem like this was for attention. It seems like this was more desperation/hurried/panic-driven.

Going off of your last few sentences, cypress, what if this is a young, local killer? Crime of opportunity, parents are away, sees Alanna alone in the neighborhood often, might know her a little from living nearby, grabs her. Gets a phone call saying parents are on their way home or suddenly realizes they will be home soon, panics and quickly dumps her body. Also if a husband realized his wife was coming home soon. People do irrational things during adrenaline rushes from the fear of being caught - I.e., hurriedly wrapping her in a tarp and putting her on a random sidewalk. He thinks he's lucky for getting this done on trash day, or has planned it this way. Doesn't count on anyone peeking inside the tarp.

 

[JustJeannie]

Would LE use a search warrant with a list like they did even if the family agreed to allow them search the home and seize whatever property they needed for an investigation?

In other words, does the presence of a written search warrant imply that the family required it, and wouldn't grant permission to access the home and contents otherwise, or is it more likely that LE would use an official written warrant simply to have a record for legal purposes later in a trial setting. Is it a paper trail that they'd use regardless?

My understanding is that LE will get a search warrant to avoid legal issues later should they arise. Also I believe that without a search warrant a person can stop the search at any time, and refuse to allow them to remove any item. It covers their (LE's) bases, and doesn't necessarily imply anything, IMO.

Especially with this being a homicide, I would expect LE to be dotting every i and crossing every t.

 

[alreetlike]

Also if a husband realized his wife was coming home soon. People do irrational things during adrenaline rushes from the fear of being caught - I.e., hurriedly wrapping her in a tarp and putting her on a random sidewalk. He thinks he's lucky for getting this done on trash day, or has planned it this way. Doesn't count on anyone peeking inside the tarp.

BBM. I was thinking that perhaps the perp had already wrapped her up in the tarp, but on the way to where he was going to dispose of her, received an unexpected phone call e.g. from his wife saying "can you pick me up now?" and decided to change his plans and leave her in the road instead.

I'm actually starting to lean more towards her being placed there on purpose. I can see some sick perp getting thrills from her being RIGHT THERE for someone to find.

 

[willowfae]

Alanna may not have known the perp but I think the perp knew her.....
Knew she almost always ran around the neighborhood ALONE....
Alone For hours at a time.
Knew that they (perps) were NOT allowed in Alanna's yard per comment from someone in her neighborhood.

And that set off a Red flag for me...we had one house on my childhood street that was always off limits. Friends said we couldn't play in that yard.....later as a teen , I found out the occupants violent alcoholics.

Well, they are not violent alcoholics according to their friends. :/
And the article said she told the neighbor that STRANGERS weren't allowed in the yard, not that no one could come over.

 

[Wondergirl]

If a female known to Alanna was not even able to help her get down out of a tree in her own yard, I am thinking that an unknown female/male would NOT have been able to lure Alanna willingly.

She was forcefully taken in broad daylight or went with someone she knew.

JMO

 

[Donjeta]

Very few people like strangers in their yard. JMO

 

[madeleine]

abc

Damon Ing, a Saginaw police spokesman, said Alanna's death was being investigated as a homicide, but sought to reassure frightened neighbors that police considered her death to be isolated.

I wonder what this means,to me it sounds like "there is no dangerous killer on the loose"....was it someone she knew?the cops know more IMO

 

[texashello]

can you go to this thread and check to see if this is the same info you are mentioning here? On this linked page and the page before it. xoxo

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214312&page=37

Hi Matou, I don't know if it's the same or not. I might drive by the street today. My friend that lives on the street is going to call me today also.

 

[Elley Mae]

For me it's a tough call without knowing the cause/manner of death and whether she was sexually violated. I have differing thoughts on it depending. I still wonder about her clothes.

 

[matou]

Hi Matou, I don't know if it's the same or not. I might drive by the street today. My friend that lives on the street is going to call me today also.

Thank you! xo

 

[GingerzMomma]

abc

Damon Ing, a Saginaw police spokesman, said Alanna's death was being investigated as a homicide, but sought to reassure frightened neighbors that police considered her death to be isolated.

I wonder what this means,to me it sounds like "there is no dangerous killer on the loose"....was it someone she knew?the cops know more IMO

Personally, I am discounting everything they said those first few days. I believe that they thought they had this handled, had plenty of evidence to test, LE backup incl FBI, TX Rangers, etc.......

If you look at statements that came a week later:

Saginaw police are waiting for the medical examiner to finish processing evidence found at the scene where Alanna was discovered, Ing said.

“Once we get that we kind of have a little better grasp of what we’re doing,” Ing said. “It couldn’t come fast enough.”

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...questions-but-no-answers-in-girls-slaying.ece

Much more humble.

 

[carbuff]

From Saginaw city web site-
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http://www.ci.saginaw.tx.us/index.aspx?NID=378

Garbage and Brush: Each residential customer shall place garbage or brush at the curb in disposable containers or permanent containers by 7:00am. Vines and thorny bushes are to be placed in disposable containers. Garbage or brush which cannot be placed in disposable or permanent containers shall be in lengths not to exceed four (4) feet with a weight not to exceed fifty (50) pounds, tie same in bundles, and stack such brush or trash at curbside. All fence panels must be cut in half so not to exceed 4' x 6'. REMINDER: Bundled brush is onlu picked up on the resident's second (2nd) pickup day of the week.
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Maybe someone was trying to set her out to look like brush/ yard clippings and they missed the pickup time?

Or she was heavier than the maximum? Or they didn't think the tarp was a disposable container?