GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #7

[bessie]

Right, I'm assuming when he attempted to pick her up, and when he opened it up. I don't think he would notice neck, eyelids etc.

Who attempted to pick her up?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yes. To my knowledge, but unconfirmed.
And right now I am not putting stock in it!
Jmo

One stray eye witness... I always think of the lady that swore she saw Laci Peterson walking her dog!

 

[greenpalm]

BBM
The second most common type of staging in a homicide is changing the scene/body to make it appear that the homicide was the result of a sexual attack.

Okay, but why would a panicked drunk driver, who accidentally hit her pick her up, take her to his home, put a bag over her head, tape it up, bind her hands and feet, take off all her clothes, put her in a black plastic bag, wrap a tarp around that, wrap her in a belt, and then put her back out in the street in another location?

If no one saw him hit her, why not just drive away, and go home and wash the grill of your car?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Who attempted to pick her up?

The boys did... It's discussed in that long interview that's seems to have disappeared off the Internet. Now it's just little edited sound bites.

 

[bessie]

See? The timeline we have been dealing with is off!

How so?

 

[kkdj]

Howdy to you, too!:seeya:

Here we go!
Lets bring this little child some justice!

 

[Linda7NJ]

How so?

Tarp seen at noon...all the way to 7pm

Parents door to door search according to neighbors began much later than claimed.

Time last seen and by whom is sketchy at best.

If she was killed after 5 and discovered at 7... She would have been limp, not rubber like.

All IMO

 

[Brightbird]

Okay, but why would a panicked drunk driver, who accidentally hit her pick her up, take her to his home, put a bag over her head, tape it up, bind her hands and feet, take off all her clothes, put her in a black plastic bag, wrap a tarp around that, wrap her in a belt, and then put her back out in the street in another location?

If no one saw him hit her, why not just drive away, and go home and wash the grill of your car?

Well if he/she hit her and she was injured but not dead. And the driver panicked and murdered her to avoid a serious charge. She may have been bound to keep her still while transporting her. Maybe the bag was used to suffocate her. Maybe it was then staged to look like a sex crime. Maybe she was left on the street because the killer had no idea what else to do, or felt remorse and wanted her found. On the last question, to avoid being identified by Alanna.

 

[Pensfan]

Okay, but why would a panicked drunk driver, who accidentally hit her pick her up, take her to his home, put a bag over her head, tape it up, bind her hands and feet, take off all her clothes, put her in a black plastic bag, wrap a tarp around that, wrap her in a belt, and then put her back out in the street in another location?

If no one saw him hit her, why not just drive away, and go home and wash the grill of your car?

There are other causes of deaths beside hit-and-runs. Domestic violence and accidental drowning are two examples.

 

[Backwoods]

Okay, but why would a panicked drunk driver, who accidentally hit her pick her up, take her to his home, put a bag over her head, tape it up, bind her hands and feet, take off all her clothes, put her in a black plastic bag, wrap a tarp around that, wrap her in a belt, and then put her back out in the street in another location?

If no one saw him hit her, why not just drive away, and go home and wash the grill of your car?

Could have been drunk driver, someone backing over her in their driveway, OR some other type of accident (not in her home, I'm talking here), as we discussed earlier -- person is liable, panics and freaks, she dies -- and they decide to stage it as predator-abduction...? As to why someone would do that -- I don't know, but I guess it happens...

Don't think it's real likely here, though, but who knows, at this point.

 

[bessie]

The boys did

The boys picked up little Alanna's body in the tarp? Where was that reported?

“At first, I just thought it was some rubber stuff at first, and then I got a closer look and all I saw was a bag and I saw some hair sticking out and so, I was like, ‘Oh my God! It’s a girl!’ And that’s when I dropped to my knees and just started crying,” said 18-year-old John Smith.

“Every time I walk out that front door, I’m going to look over here and know I found a little girl. Someone’s little girl, that’s just sitting here miserable in the middle of the street dead, and her family’s out there wondering where she’s at,” Smith said.

http://m.nbcdfw.com/nbcdfw/db_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=QxqoT4Gn&full=true#display

 

[Confusion]

If her mother got home about 4:00 and didn't see her, she must have either gone into someone else's house or been abducted already (or both.) If she was actually seen later that afternoon, why hasn't anyone come forward to say she was there for a while (from 4-5 or whatever)? The only explanations I've come up with that make any sense so far are that either she wasn't seen later or she was seen later and then went back to wherever she was at 4:00. Either way, it seems like something most likely happened wherever she was at 4:00 or shortly after (when her mother got home.) I'm sure not everybody will agree with me, but that's how I see it. MOO & all that stuff.

 

[kkdj]

How so?

See post 547

 

[bessie]

Tarp seen at noon...all the way to 7pm

Parents door to door search according to neighbors began much later than claimed.

Time last seen and by whom is sketchy at best.

If she was killed after 5 and discovered at 7... She would have been limp, not rubber like.

All IMO

We have a verified insider who saw Alanna as late as 2:30, an hour from her home.

The times people have given for seeing the tarp range from noon right up until the time the boys reported it. Nothing official on that point.

A freshly dead body (1-3 hours) can be said to feel like cold rubber. I can attest to that myself.

 

[Backwoods]

I know ambient temperature can effect it. But iirc temp was pretty average. I don't think age matters much as it a chemical reaction. In my very unprofessional opinion.

Mine is layperson's knowledge, as well. (Just now made a quick search and found one source saying rigor may not be perceivable in infants and children, and another saying it may advance more quickly in same. So still not sure!) Just seems I remember reading somewhere once that it can go a little differently with infants and children, FWIW.

 

[Linda7NJ]

The boys picked up little Alanna's body in the tarp? Where was that reported?

http://m.nbcdfw.com/nbcdfw/db_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=QxqoT4Gn&full=true#display

On the video I watched he talked about trying to pick it up, said it was awkward/heavy. Felt like rubber...he opened it up after that to see what it was. The cut off the beginning in the article and just wrote about the moment he discovers it was a little girl.

 

[bessie]

See post 547

That doesn't change the timeline, as one has never been firmly established. In no report is an odor mentioned. All this talk of decomposition and rigor mortis is pure conjecture.

 

[kkdj]

If her mother got home about 4:00 and didn't see her, she must have either gone into someone else's house or been abducted already (or both.) If she was actually seen later that afternoon, why hasn't anyone come forward to say she was there for a while (from 4-5 or whatever)? The only explanations I've come up with that make any sense so far are that either she wasn't seen later or she was seen later and then went back to wherever she was at 4:00. Either way, it seems like something most likely happened wherever she was at 4:00 or shortly after (when her mother got home.) I'm sure not everybody will agree with me, but that's how I see it. MOO & all that stuff.

Mom left approx. Noon
Mom arrived back home approximately 4:00
Alanna was not there
all unconfirmed to my knowledge
Alanna was discovered approx 7:15

 

[Linda7NJ]

That doesn't change the timeline, as one has never been firmly established. Nowhere is an odor mentioned. All this talk of decomposition and rigor mortis is pure conjecture.

Yes it is, just like darn near everything else cause we have so little to work with. It was only my conjecture and what I used to formulate it. I'm under the impression she was in rigor. IMO

 

[kkdj]

We have a verified insider who saw Alanna as late as 2:30, an hour from her home.

The times people have given for seeing the tarp range from noon right up until the time the boys reported it. Nothing official on that point.

A freshly dead body (1-3 hours) can be said to feel like cold rubber. I can attest to that myself.

Ohhhh! ♥