GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #7

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  • #841
I have reported a couple of crimes and LE has never contacted me again. So, I am not surprised there is no contact. No crime was committed, so what would be the reason to contact anyone?

If they are concerned, they can go to the home and ask or ask a neighbor they are comfortable with about the situation

I don't mean call to report a crime. I mean it is a tip and it should be taken seriously. LE has said that they are running out of leads. Right in the immediate geographical area to where this little girl was murdered there had been some guy out on this neighbor's property in the wee hours of the morning. In the driveway right? And they saw what house he went into. now in the same early morning time period, there is someone who most likely was on foot and set fire to the Gallagher's home. So, who has been seen out prowling in the middle of the night? It seems to me that if LE could stop cars just driving through the neighborhood they might be able to just check in on this this dude, hey we're just checking in with peeps who have been seen out in the middle of the night, what were you doing?

It reminds me of when you get lab work done and the doctor says, we'll call you if it's anything. You should always call because mistakes do happen. I think the same way about this. Just bug 'em until someone calls back. I called in tips for the Lyric and Elizabeth case here in Iowa and LE called back right away. I know others who did too and they got a call back. It's not like your a psychic just wasting their time--it could be meaningful. JMO
 
  • #842
Hello Websleuth community,

Apologies for the long, long, post...

I'm an acquaintance/friend of Alanna's family. I know her non-biological father best (an incredibly sweet guy), and once spent a really fun afternoon playing board games with the whole family. They're all wonderful people, and I have vivid memories of a 4 ½ year old Alanna giving me lots of hugs and demanding to be picked up and swung around. She was so beautiful and full of love, my heart just breaks for all of them.

As a mom, these cases are always really tough on me, but this one hit so very close to home... I want justice for Alanna and some measure of peace for her family, and I'm posting this because something has been bothering me increasingly over these last weeks – especially after hearing that LE are at a standstill. I'd like your opinions on something that happened at our home, less than 48 hours before Alanna was murdered.

On the night of June 29th, we had a friend in from out of town. We had taken our daughter (an occasional playmate of Alanna's older sister) to see Peter Pan in Fort Worth that day. By the time we left the theater, it was nearly 11:00, and our friend wanted us to meet him for drinks before he had to go home. Since the bar was in Fort Worth and we only had the one car, I dropped my husband off there before taking my daughter home and dropping her off with my son (almost 18). By the time I met back up with the guys, it was midnight. We stayed a little past 2:00 AM, and by the time we arrived back home it was nearly 3:00.

Being the driver, I was completely sober of course, and my husband had also been drinking conservatively – he was not drunk in any way. As we approached our home we saw a strange man emerging from the immediate vicinity of our house. Our memories of the event differ slightly, but it definitely raised our hackles. I thought the man came from the very dark area between our house and the neighbors', while my husband (who didn't have to watch the road) said he came from the front porch. Either way, he was definitely on our property in the middle of the night.

The man saw our headlights approaching, and quickly walked down our driveway and across the street. By the time I parked he was on the other side of the street, a couple of houses down, and increasing his pace. My husband told me to check on the kids, and took off after him. I was torn for a moment, not wanting him to get hurt, but the kids took priority so I raced inside to make sure they were okay. I was met by our dogs as usual, and they didn't seem particularly agitated, but then again, Mom was home. I pounded upstairs to find two sleeping kids, and then back outside to check on my husband.

He was walking back toward me. He said that the man had apparently gone into a house four houses down from ours, on the other side of the street. I asked him later if he actually saw the door open and he said he hadn't, and couldn't be sure if he'd even heard it open and close. He took photos of the house and the cars in the driveway, in case anything at home was wrong, and headed back. We checked all the doors and found no sign that anyone had attempted to force them.

We didn't call the police. I wish now that we had, but I'm too willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt. My husband was upset and wanted to call them, or knock on the door of the house and demand to know what was going on, but I argued that nothing looked out of place, everyone was fine, and that the guy might have been drunk and looking for a dark place to pee (the house directly across the street from where he seems to have gone has young people in it, and they sometimes have raucous parties), or chasing Marshmallow - a neighborhood stray cat. (I was still convinced he'd come from the side of the house, and when I went to check back there, Marshmallow was there as she often is.) I also didn't want a confrontation with a possibly drunk neighbor at 3:00 in the morning, and in the end I convinced my husband to let it go. Thirty-seven and a half hours later, Alanna's body was found.

When I heard that a child's body had been found in Saginaw Monday evening, I called my husband, distraught. His first thought was the creeper guy from two nights ago, and so I called the tip line and told them about the incident, including a description of the man. I gave them my information, and they said they'd call if they had any more questions. Wednesday morning I heard the identity of the child, and went into hysterics. No one has contacted us about the incident.


I know I'm an idiot for not wanting to call the police, when we had an apparent prowler while our kids were home alone. I also know there's a good chance it's completely unrelated. But it's driving me crazy hearing that LE have no leads, while no one has followed up on this. For a while I was hoping that they weren't calling us because they had a description that didn't match ours, but that hope is fading with each desperate call for information. Monday I called the tip line again, having heard that they were looking for two dark SUVs – there's a dark SUV in the driveway of that house at night. But they said they were only looking for a red truck, and that investigators were going through all tips carefully.

Other relevant information:

We have an eleven year old daughter.

We live about 2 ½ miles away from Alanna's home, and the place where her body was found is about halfway between her house and ours.

A couple of days ago on this site, there was discussion about a swimming pool, and a map to the nearest one. That pool is in our sub-development, my kids walk there all the time.

I have not mentioned this to the family. It's tenuous at best, and while I consider them friends, I don't feel I know them well enough to intrude on their grief for any less-than-concrete reason.



I've been following the discussion here for several days, and there are some very smart people here. I guess I just needed to get this off my chest, and see what others think. I'd like to think that we haven't been called because LE is following other, better, leads. But the complete lack of information is wearing on everyone, especially residents of this haunted little town. I was hoping that at least you guys might be able to make something of the fact that we haven't been contacted.


If you've made it all the way through this enormously long post, thanks for your time.
- A

If I were you, I would not call, I would go to PD in person.
 
  • #843
And has it just come out of the blue, starting with Alanna? I would think that if someone had that much anger toward the family it would have been escalating. I bet LE is looking closely at that.

I don't know what to think anymore.

There's a lot of crazy and a lot of entitlement and anger brewing in a lot of people out there. Every day the news is full of it.

Who would think a person like Jodi Arias would plan and slaughter her ex boyfriend the way she did and cover up the crime?
 
  • #844
In the interests of thoroughness, are the "verified insiders" on this case actually verified?

Is there some way to tell easily?

My take on the vandalism/fires - most likely some straight laced person who has taken umbrage at the family's lifestyle.

Probably a teenager, maybe even a grown adult...either way I see it as a "hate crime" not actually connected to Alanna's death as such.

Any branches of Westboro around?
Presently, only LDhummingbird is a verified insider in this case. Check the opening post. Should other members be verified in the future, their usernames will added to the list.
 
  • #845
I just asked her this and she isn't aware of anyone. I think this must be someone trying to send a message to the family though.

This is absolutely terrifying, then. Did police make the "isolated" and "perfectly safe" (re: Saginaw & surrounding communities) statements because early on there was reason to believe they were specifically targeted?
 
  • #846
I see human and song22 post above about calling in info. Call the tip line, not the regular police line. Don't expect a response unless something pans out, and especially not this soon.
 
  • #847
I can only state that Bessie (I think it was Bessie) posted a few nights ago that LDHummingbird was verified, although I don't see it on her profile. I believe she is also listed on page one of this thread. I don't believe anyone else has gotten verified.

Edited to add: taking a moment to be grateful that Westboro didn't decide to picket Alanna's funeral.

Yeah, for some reason I thought I would have something on my profile indicating I am verified. Maybe I should change the line under my screen name?

ETA: If WBC had been so foolish, the counter protest would've been of epic proportions.
 
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Right now I am mad as h*ll and scared for my friends.

Absolutely! I would imagine LE will be giving them 24/7 protection now. I certainly hope they do and am a little shocked they hadn't been previously. I was mad when they moved all of the tributes people brought for Alanna, so somebody setting fire to them is just beyond comprehension and enraging. I am so sorry that you and your friends are experiencing this. It is something no one should ever have to go through. I hope this is the last of it and anyone and everyone involved in all of it is caught immediately before they hurt your friends or anyone else ever again.
 
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LDh, I hate to say this, but have they talked to LE about maybe being moved somewhere?

If this wasn't done by whoever was involved in the killing, then I'm afraid the tension in Saginaw is rising to the point that somebody's getting a bit "vigilante". If you go to some of the Facebook sites or read comments under the news stories there are some people who are bold enough to make some pretty serious accusations. There is even one person saying they did it themselves for sympathy (???).

I think they need to get out of there.
 
  • #852
I take it LE and FBI have not released the info they were going to today yet? It is approximately 2:50 p.m. there, so, will they release or wait for the evening news?
 
  • #853
can't find the original post, but the question of "hair sticking out of the bag" - one of the news stories said it was a 'Walmart' bag.
I use plastic grocery bags to line my small trash cans & they almost always have holes in them that you could see through. (Small pieces of paper can go through and end up on the bottom of the trash can.)
It also depends on how the bag was secured.

"A search warrant shows they were looking for red duct tape, packaging, Walmart plastic bags, trash bags, men's belts sized 38-44 and any material that could be used to bind.
...


W's friend JS, 18, told KXAS-TV that he is will never be the same after seeing the girl dead. 'At first, I just thought it was some rubber stuff at first, and then I got a closer look and all I saw was a bag and I saw some hair sticking out and so, I was like, "Oh my God! It’s a girl!"' he said.
...

Ms W told KDFW-TV that the girl was naked except for a pair of purple underwear and her hands and feet were bound. She had a plastic grocery bag over her head."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tarp-street-polyamorous-relationship-man.html
 
  • #854
Locals, did anyone go back to read the notice posted at Alanna's memorial of where she was found that had been removed yesterday? tia
 
  • #855
Whose vehicle was it? MM? KG? Or LG? Was it target specific is my wondering. MM was AGs bio dad, correct?
 
  • #856
LDh, I hate to say this, but have they talked to LE about maybe being moved somewhere?

If this wasn't done by whoever was involved in the killing, then I'm afraid the tension in Saginaw is rising to the point that somebody's getting a bit "vigilante". If you go to some of the Facebook sites or read comments under the news stories there are some people who are bold enough to make some pretty serious accusations. There is even one person saying they did it themselves for sympathy (???).

I think they need to get out of there.

I saw that too smh :/
 
  • #857
LDh, I hate to say this, but have they talked to LE about maybe being moved somewhere?

If this wasn't done by whoever was involved in the killing, then I'm afraid the tension in Saginaw is rising to the point that somebody's getting a bit "vigilante". If you go to some of the Facebook sites or read comments under the news stories there are some people who are bold enough to make some pretty serious accusations. There is even one person saying they did it themselves for sympathy (???).

I think they need to get out of there.

I can't read Facebook as I don't have an account, but I do worry for the family. Thank you for telling us and their friends.

I have no issues with the family. I am from a very small town similar to Saginaw, TX. Much lack of understanding. However, I did have many friends there with different lifestyles. One just like this one. That family would have given you their last shirt, dollar, whatever. I didn't mind about the choices as long as all were happy, including children, the lone wife, the whole thing. I actually approved, I also had to move far away b/c I just couldn't live there with some of the same things you suggest, the prejudice I can't handle. I love all that are happy and healthy. They were great people. Poor as dirt though, but still they were happy and proud. Believe it or not, no one hurt them. BUT, no child was murdered and laid out as trash. This is a person with an issue IMO, not the family, a person that hates it or relates and cannot admit. JMO, MOO, IMO, and all that!!!!
 
  • #858
Locals, did anyone go back to read the notice posted at Alanna's memorial of where she was found that had been removed yesterday? tia

I just remember what it said from yesterday's post
 
  • #859
LDh, I hate to say this, but have they talked to LE about maybe being moved somewhere?

If this wasn't done by whoever was involved in the killing, then I'm afraid the tension in Saginaw is rising to the point that somebody's getting a bit "vigilante". If you go to some of the Facebook sites or read comments under the news stories there are some people who are bold enough to make some pretty serious accusations. There is even one person saying they did it themselves for sympathy (???)

I think they need to get out of there.

I know, the Facebook posts in particular have got me riled up. It's very hard for them to consider moving. Two of their children were born in that house (literally -- home births) and Alanna lived there all her short life. I hate to think that whoever set that fire wins by chasing them out of the area.
 
  • #860
Whose vehicle was it? MM? KG? Or LG? Was it target specific is my wondering. MM was AGs bio dad, correct?

It was KG's car. Yes, MM is Alanna's biological father.
 
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