GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #8

[gitana1]

Well, the "verified insider" status exists for a reason. I assume most people would rather we had the info she gave us than not have it, even if it doesn't support our specific theories/leanings/desire to bash parenting skills. Everyone clamored for ANY info to help establish a timeline.

Thank you. I know I appreciate it!

How often does it happen in a murder with sexual assault that the child's body is not found naked? I feel so sad even writing this. But I'm curious in other cases of sexually motivated child abductions are bodies found with some clthes put back on? The fact thatbshe was found in her underwear somehow leads me toward it not being a sexual assault. but maybe staged to look like it. Have no idea. it's all so terrible and is really getting to me as I write this. I might need a break. JMO

It happens.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_County_Child_Killer

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Marcia_Trimble

http://m.guardiannews.com/uk/2005/may/26/ukcrime.dilpazieraslam

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1991-01-11/news/1991011101_1_pellegrini-latanya-girl

Yes, all the children were at home.

I think that's significant.

Yep, but we have no state taxes. That's one reason many people are moving here from the west coast so often. My property taxes are pretty low here in Texas.

A home appraised at $475,000 here in Orange County, CA has property taxes of about $5,400.00. If a home in TX appraised at $175k has prop. taxes close to that amount, that sounds bad to me.

MOO

Based on articles, pages and first person accounts from friends and family (some of who I know) I say this:

There are plenty of others who knew the family that have said otherwise because they actually know the family and their routines. These are people who have had Alanna and her siblings over for play dates and attended other activities with them. But of course, the media doesn't pay attention to that. They also didn't pay attention to the connection of the "neighbor" who created this speculation of the family routine was also the one who reportedly told her her friends weren't home and not to wait. To go and say maybe there was more they could have done in retrospect and twist it to make it look like it was the fault of the parents and over dramatize prior interactions was just a way to transfer guilt. Sensationalism is the #1 reason I chose not to pursue a journalism career. By the end of my BA program I was so disgusted with the way news organizations are ran that I decided to do something else. Thankfully my degree says Mass Communications instead of just Journalism. Only my transcripts show my concentration.

Strictly my opinion and observation

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Would you be so kind as to link to those firsthand accounts? That info would be helpful.

I've tweaked the timeline with a few more details...

[*] Noon (Approx) LG leaves to drive LDhummingbird, friend and verified insider, home.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9677907&highlight=errands#post9677907


[*] 2:00 PM (Approx) Neighbor sees Alanna playing on his front lawn with his grandchildren @ approx. 2 PM. http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news?fId=214092951&fPath=/news/local/&fDomain=10247


[*] 2:00 PM (Approx) One WS opinion of time that the video of one of the "lingering" cars was taken http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9688467&postcount=778



[*] Time Unkown "MM <snip> typically works from home and was home with the children and gave Alanna permission to go out and play with a specific neighbor, who was not at home." http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9677742&postcount=888



[*] 4:00 (Approx) LG arrives home from driving friend (LDhummingbird) home. " Alanna was not at home when LG got home." http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9677742&postcount=888 AND http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9688489&postcount=781



[*] 4:00 - 4:30 One WS opinion of time that the video of the other of the "lingering" cars was taken http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9688467&postcount=778



[*] "Midafternoon" First possible witness reported sighting of tarp, as per Macon description http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/07/02/4977697/body-of-young-girl-found-in-saginaw.html


[*] 6:00 PM (Latest) " By 6 PM, Alanna's mother and older sister began looking for her."
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9677742&postcount=888



[*] 7:00 PM Tarp spotted no later than 7:00 PM as per Macon http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/07/02/4977697/body-of-young-girl-found-in-saginaw.html


[*] 7:15 PM (Approx) Alanna's body was found by teenagers at approx. 7:15 PM


[*] 7:33 Tarrant County Medical Examiner declares Time of Death http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/07/03/body-of-murdered-saginaw-girl-identified-as-6-year-old-alanna-gallagher/


[*] 8:00 PM Tweet by Fox4 reporter &#8207;@Saulgarzafox4 2 Jul: Neighbor says the victim's Father knocked on his door asking if he had seen his daughter around 8pm #SaginawMurder https://twitter.com/Saulgarzafox4


[*] 8:42 PM Sunset http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9688853&postcount=856



[*] 9:10 PM Twilight http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9688853&postcount=856

Wow. Thank you so much for all that hard work. Also to everyone else who worked on the timeline. Can we add the time Alanna's disappearance was reported?

A surveillance camera was very likely to be near the site where Alanna's body was tossed, too. One internet sites states that there definitely was one. Therefore, all the pieces of this puzzle are available and ready to be exposed. It's time for the puke(s) to tell their lawyer to make a deal with the DA.

If LE had all that, they wouldn't need to wait for the puke to make a deal and turn him or herself in. In my experience, the very moment LE has enough to make it past a preliminary hearing, there's an arrest. They never wait for strategic reasons once they have that much.

Good morning. I'm a new member/poster but I've been reading posts for a couple of weeks, trying to keep up with you all.

First let me say how terribly sorry I am for this family to have lost this precious girl in such a horrible way. I cannot imagine their grief and devastation.

I have a couple of observations based on all I have read from the beginning of this case. 1) As regards the bag over Alanna's head--a (serial) killer sometimes needs to depersonalize his/her victim, many times by covering the face. Also, her hair was reportedly sticking out of the bag which some people have trouble visualizing. I have a mental picture of the grocery-type plastic bag inverted over her head and tied/sealed around her neck with tape. It would be easy for some hair to protrude under that. The bag could also be for minimizing hair evidence at the scene, etc. Ditto black garbage bag.

2) I am leaning toward the theory that the killer worked alone, that s/he taped, bagged and tarped (sorry for being graphic and terse) the body to dump so that it would not be immediately recognized as a body (no arms/legs flopping around, again sorry for that mental picture), propped Alanna in a sitting position with her back against the front passenger door (possibly working in the privacy of a garage) so that when the car was stopped the door could be opened and the body could basically fall out of its own weight, maybe with a little push from the killer/driver, then shut the door and drive away (I think this theory argues for either a small car or a tall killer with long arms). The passenger side of the car would face fences and garage side of the house on the dump corner. The other houses either face away from that corner or would be blocked by the car itself from seeing what was going on.

3) Regarding the underwear being the only article of clothing Alanna was wearing when she was found--this doesn't necessarily rule out sexual assault. Some killers have been known to partially redress their victims, sometimes out of a sense of shame or pity (weird, I know). The other clothing could have been omitted for the sake of time or kept by the killer as a trophy.

I probably have other thoughts. They will bubble to the surface over time. Thank you very much for letting me be a part of this website. Hoping and praying for justice for this poor darling and her shocked and grieving family. You all do a great job here. :tyou:

Wow. Excellent, intelligent post. Welcome!!!!!!!!!

 

[Threeplus1]

Do we know for certain that only LG & KG were questioned during those first few days? I was thinking they might have questioned all three then brought KK back in again on July 9th. I dunno tho

No, we don't know for certain, but I think people make that leap because we only have video evidence of MM being questioned on the 9th. In all honesty, it's a little mind boggling to me to think that local LE, the major crimes unit, the Texas Rangers, and the FBI would all not question the last family member to see the child alive...the one who was home with her...her biological father. That would not make any sense. If we can figure out that he should have been questioned, I would think these highly qualified professionals would know to do that ASAP and repeatedly to see if new details emerge or the story changes.

 

[GingerzMomma]

Howdy,

Had company & work has been brutal today. Have I missed anything? I drove by and I think I saw another local say LE had at least patrolled 3 Bars Drive? I don't see any new media reports, but I did come across this one while trying to catch up and it states that KG is AG's bio dad (??):

"Karl is Alanna's biological father, but the three adults consider themselves to all be her parents."

Read more at http://global.christianpost.com/new...iveway-set-ablaze-100556/#Z1LetUDf6Mfl5wfW.99

Article also says police don't suspect family of starting the fires, but haven't ruled them out in AG's death.

Thanks in advance to anyone who cares to give me the Cliff Notes version of anything else over the past couple days!

 

[skibaboo]

There were two different neighbors that stated Alanna cried when she had to leave their homes and go home. Granny wasn't the only person who suggested that something wasn't quite right in the Gallaghers' home. The links are on this forum.

Was it 2 different neighbours, 2 different houses? Or was it mother and daughter? I'm trying to figure that out but the news keeps mixing the names up on screen. I've heard a YS and an MP, I think they are grandmother & mother of the twins AG played often with, and a D something. No idea who that is.

 

[Confusion]

There were two different neighbors that stated Alanna cried when she had to leave their homes and go home. Granny wasn't the only person who suggested that something wasn't quite right in the Gallaghers' home. The links are on this forum.

There are two people saying it, but only one household the way I understand it. One is the grandmother of twin girls, and the other is the mother of twin girls. It's possible that she did enjoy visiting that home and never liked having to leave. MOO

 

[fred&edna]

No, we don't know for certain, but I think people make that leap because we only have video evidence of MM being questioned on the 9th. In all honesty, it's a little mind boggling to me to think that local LE, the major crimes unit, the Texas Rangers, and the FBI would all not question the last family member to see the child alive...the one who was home with her...her biological father. That would not make any sense. If we can figure out that he should have been questioned, I would think these highly qualified professionals would know to do that ASAP and repeatedly to see if new details emerge or the story changes.

I agree with your thinking.

 

[gitana1]

No, we don't know for certain, but I think people make that leap because we only have video evidence of MM being questioned on the 9th. In all honesty, it's a little mind boggling to me to think that local LE, the major crimes unit, the Texas Rangers, and the FBI would all not question the last family member to see the child alive...the one who was home with her...her biological father. That would not make any sense. If we can figure out that he should have been questioned, I would think these highly qualified professionals would know to do that ASAP and repeatedly to see if new details emerge or the story changes.

100% agree. Of course he was questioned before that day. But I think it may have been the first day he was formally questioned at LE headquarters with rights being read, a singed statement recorded and possibly a polygraph done. Prior to that he must have been questioned numerous times, IMO, as police reports likely show.

 

[MsFacetious]

This article is NOT correct.
They don't "consider themselves" to be her parents.
They are all her parents.

Miles is the biological father.
Karl is the father on the birth certificate.
Laura is the biological mother and on the birth certificate.

http://global.christianpost.com/new...iveway-set-ablaze-100556/#Z1LetUDf6Mfl5wfW.99

 

[gitana1]

Howdy,

Had company & work has been brutal today. Have I missed anything? I drove by and I think I saw another local say LE had at least patrolled 3 Bars Drive? I don't see any new media reports, but I did come across this one while trying to catch up and it states that KG is AG's bio dad (??):

"Karl is Alanna's biological father, but the three adults consider themselves to all be her parents."

Read more at http://global.christianpost.com/new...iveway-set-ablaze-100556/#Z1LetUDf6Mfl5wfW.99

Article also says police don't suspect family of starting the fires, but haven't ruled them out in AG's death.

Thanks in advance to anyone who cares to give me the Cliff Notes version of anything else over the past couple days!

Nothing new really to report. You were here when the fires were discussed, right?

As to the article, I think it's just wrong. Earlier reports said the same thing, probably based in the fact that Alanna shares Karls surname.

 

[Marnie]

It wasn't publicized the way that MM's post-questioning by LE was, but I know I saw or heard it. Perhaps on a vid of a reporter knocking on the family door and KG making a quick statement from behind the barely opened door.

I will try to look for it later. Hopefully a WSer can firm up the date that LG and KG went in for questioning.

I just recently started to save links with labels of their contents. :doh:

No, we don't know for certain, but I think people make that leap because we only have video evidence of MM being questioned on the 9th. In all honesty, it's a little mind boggling to me to think that local LE, the major crimes unit, the Texas Rangers, and the FBI would all not question the last family member to see the child alive...the one who was home with her...her biological father. That would not make any sense. If we can figure out that he should have been questioned, I would think these highly qualified professionals would know to do that ASAP and repeatedly to see if new details emerge or the story changes.

FOUND IT!

"Saginaw police have never said any of Alanna's three parents were suspects. However, McDaniel believes they asked him to come in to compare stories.

"There were a lot of questions. I expect they were probably cross-checking answers that had been given by Carl and Laura when they were giving their interviews," said McDaniel.

Read more: http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/22799...iological-father-talks-publicly#ixzz2ZnWih2a7

BBM: This certainly gives the distinct impression that KG and LG were interviewed before MM!!

 

[song22]

If folks can learn from the mistakes of the parents, then IMO the neighbors are open for lessons learned, too. If I had a neighbor's six year old at the end of my driveway looking for a playdate and my kids weren't home, I'd watch her go back on home and if she didn't I would text/call or tell her parents in person that little Alanna came over to play but we can't play right now so here she is back to you safe and sound. Even if I knew she regularly was allowed to wander around alone--I would still do it as a way of demonstrating what is appropriate. UNLESS these are directly next door neighbors and there is a regular daily exchange of playdates and kids go back and forth all the time. Then I can get why someone wouldn't escort her back. It's just a usual part of the routine. I think neighbor adults definitely have a responsibility to look after little children to the extent that if you see something that's not right you do your best on your end to help the situation. ie. little six year old hanging around alone. I would say go on home now it's not safe to be out alone. Or go on home and tell your parents we can't play today.

I don't blame the parents or the neighbor. WE assess the risks and make choices. My kids are down at the creek right now (15, 15 and 10). There's some folks who would say no to that. I would have done things different at 6 years old--but I also would have done something different as the neighbor. But If it's ok to think hard about these parental choices, I think it's OK to think hard about what we do as bystanders and neighbors too. IMO

 

[GingerzMomma]

Nothing new really to report. You were here when the fires were discussed, right?

As to the article, I think it's just wrong. Earlier reports said the same thing, probably based in the fact that Akanna shares Jarls surname.

Thanks! Yes, I was here after the fires & much of Saturday.

I thought the article was probably wrong too, as that was the first I'd heard of that & couldn't find another article saying the same, but didn't know if something new had come out....... So, back to no new info, no big breaks or leads? Great. :sheesh:

 

[fred&edna]

FOUND IT!

"Saginaw police have never said any of Alanna's three parents were suspects. However, McDaniel believes they asked him to come in to compare stories.

"There were a lot of questions. I expect they were probably cross-checking answers that had been given by Carl and Laura when they were giving their interviews," said McDaniel.

Read more: http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/22799...iological-father-talks-publicly#ixzz2ZnWih2a7

BBM: This certainly gives the distinct impression that KG and LG were interviewed before MM!!

I agree with this impression, too!

I didn't listen to the entire video again but I watched long enough to hear the reporter say MM was waiting on that invitation from LE to come in. And, this again, leaves the impression he was not part of the grief counseling/questioning session at the PD which was done early on.

Very strange (imo)

 

[Midwestmama78]

Criticism of what? She is a neighbor and has no more responsibility than you or I for taking care of Alanna.

Agreed, but sometimes people put up defenses when none are really necessary. Also, she was being interviewed by the media, which might have flustered her. IMO, and also in my experience, flustered people tend to say more than they intended sometimes.

 

[Karma28]

Do we know for certain that only LG & KG were questioned during those first few days? I was thinking they might have questioned all three then brought KK back in again on July 9th. I dunno tho

In this video from July 10, MM is interviewed leaving the PD station and he says he had been waiting for them (PD) to ask him to come down and speak with them. They had already spoken to the rest of the family.

oops. ETA link: http://www.wfaa.com/home/related/fu...rl-house-gallagher-polyamorous-214914931.html

 

[blue22]

If folks can learn from the mistakes of the parents, then IMO the neighbors are open for lessons learned, too. If I had a neighbor's six year old at the end of my driveway looking for a playdate and my kids weren't home, I'd watch her go back on home and if she didn't I would text/call or tell her parents in person that little Alanna came over to play but we can't play right now so here she is back to you safe and sound. Even if I knew she regularly was allowed to wander around alone--I would still do it as a way of demonstrating what is appropriate. UNLESS these are directly next door neighbors and there is a regular daily exchange of playdates and kids go back and forth all the time. Then I can get why someone wouldn't escort her back. It's just a usual part of the routine. I think neighbor adults definitely have a responsibility to look after little children to the extent that if you see something that's not right you do your best on your end to help the situation. ie. little six year old hanging around alone. I would say go on home now it's not safe to be out alone. Or go on home and tell your parents we can't play today.

I don't blame the parents or the neighbor. WE assess the risks and make choices. My kids are down at the creek right now (15, 15 and 10). There's some folks who would say no to that. I would have done things different at 6 years old--but I also would have done something different as the neighbor. But If it's ok to think hard about these parental choices, I think it's OK to think hard about what we do as bystanders and neighbors too. IMO

I definitely agree with what you are saying. However, I disagree that the insinuation, that the neighbor did something so wrong, she should have to deflect attention to the parents. (That was mentioned earlier.) Ultimately, it seems like she had free reign. It would be impossible to, every single time, make sure the child was OK. Neighbors should look after each other, but the responsibility of the child should be squarely on the parents. If making sure she made it home OK, meant that I had to leave MY child/children/grandchildren, etc...I would absolutely not leave my own children. The safety priority is my family (or the children in my care) FIRST. We don't know what the neighbor had going on in that moment, but we DO know that Alanna's parents did not account for her...for huge amounts of time. We simply can't put that on the neighbor. It was not her responsibility to parent Alanna.

We should not make other people accept responsibility for the bad choices of a parent. If she hadn't been allowed in the neighborhood by herself all day, we wouldn't be talking about this neighbor that day.

 

[human]

If folks can learn from the mistakes of the parents, then IMO the neighbors are open for lessons learned, too. If I had a neighbor's six year old at the end of my driveway looking for a playdate and my kids weren't home, I'd watch her go back on home and if she didn't I would text/call or tell her parents in person that little Alanna came over to play but we can't play right now so here she is back to you safe and sound. Even if I knew she regularly was allowed to wander around alone--I would still do it as a way of demonstrating what is appropriate. UNLESS these are directly next door neighbors and there is a regular daily exchange of playdates and kids go back and forth all the time. Then I can get why someone wouldn't escort her back. It's just a usual part of the routine. I think neighbor adults definitely have a responsibility to look after little children to the extent that if you see something that's not right you do your best on your end to help the situation. ie. little six year old hanging around alone. I would say go on home now it's not safe to be out alone. Or go on home and tell your parents we can't play today.

I don't blame the parents or the neighbor. WE assess the risks and make choices. My kids are down at the creek right now (15, 15 and 10). There's some folks who would say no to that. I would have done things different at 6 years old--but I also would have done something different as the neighbor. But If it's ok to think hard about these parental choices, I think it's OK to think hard about what we do as bystanders and neighbors too. IMO

For sure I would now.

And I think the grandmother wishes she had done so herself.

I know when my neighbor burned his house down because he fell asleep while smoking and one of the kids died, all of us neighbors felt badly , even though we had called LE over and over and over again about this family and had been nice to the kids, who rewarded the niceness by stealing.

The father had a great job, but the bottle took over his life. Wife left him and he got a new GF who came with lots of baggage.

There is only so much neighbors can do about someone else's life and choices.

 

[theyamqueen]

There were two different neighbors that stated Alanna cried when she had to leave their homes and go home. Granny wasn't the only person who suggested that something wasn't quite right in the Gallaghers' home. The links are on this forum.

My child doesn't like leaving the park and he cries when we have to go home. That doesn't mean there is something wrong in my home. It means I have a high spirited child who loves to play outside or with friends.

Frankly, it comes off as "granny" not approving of their relationship status and projecting that onto baby girl.

 

[cypress]

I think it's problematic to assume that just because someone may not have nice things to say about the Gallaghers, it's only because of their lifestyle. In this case, the neighbor may not have cared about the lifestyle, but she may have been concerned or irritated that a barely six-year-old girl was given too much freedom.

 

[Karma28]

How often does it happen in a murder with sexual assault that the child's body is not found naked? I feel so sad even writing this. But I'm curious in other cases of sexually motivated child abductions are bodies found with some clthes put back on? The fact thatbshe was found in her underwear somehow leads me toward it not being a sexual assault. but maybe staged to look like it. Have no idea. it's all so terrible and is really getting to me as I write this. I might need a break. JMO

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...ch-for-killer-of-6-year-old-found-under-tarp/

From article:

Although police have not released a cause of death, they say the case is being investigated as a homicide, according to the station. Furthermore, it has not been released whether Alanna was the victim of a sexual assault. However, authorities have reportedly spoken with a majority of the registered sex offenders in the area.

I believe it was sexually motivated. Almost all of them are.

According to the station, police say they are confident this is an isolated case and family members are not considered suspects.

I don't understand how they can say it's an isolated case???

JMO