GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #9

[manzana]

I keep thinking about her body being covered in an unknown liquid. Hopefully {i'm pretty sure they did} LE sent swabs of the liquid to the lab, and they can determine what it is. So odd.

I think that goes to why they were taking water/pool samples etc.

 

[Snoopster]

It shows that he was into anal sex. He raped her that way. Shows a fondness for than sort of thing. IMO

exactly.

 

[Jetaime]

She was asked to leave the hospital? WTH? Never in my life have I heard of a hospital asking family to leave. {other than if they were causing a scene or threatening violence, of course} Does not make sense. Anyone else find that odd?

Or LE suspects said family members involvement/coverup? They certainly wouldn't want them to be able to communicate. Just throwing around ideas...

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[Mitsana]

I've seen a still a few times, but does anyone have a link to that early video of the perp getting into his car?

 

[JaimeInLA]

Do you honestly think that guns and being told someone is out to get you...causes young people to abduct, sodomize, and suffocate to death little children? I think THOSE crimes of depravity of from people who are born wrong. We aren't talking about gun crime here. (Yes, he shot the police officer. I'm talking about Alanna.) We are talking about the most depraved thing a person can do. I don't think anything creates that, I think it's born.

And I hate guns. JMO.

Yes, and it's totally ok for you to disagree with me, but I think kids born after 9-11 have lived surrounded by harmful messages. I do think it plays a role, even if it is a small one. I don't think that babies are born evil. I do agree that this is the most depraved thing a person can do. But I think that SOMETHING makes them that way -- maybe a combination of a lot of somethings. Maybe it was that he was raped himself by a man at 6 and his dad beat him and he has bad friends and he isn't very bright and is easily influenced. Who knows?! But I don't believe that just any baby can be born a monster and there is nothing we can do as parents to stop it.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Not sure if this was posted, it looks like they are not letting mom know her son's condition either:

SNIPPED..................................................

Holder lived at his residence with his mother, Kimberly Holder. She referred questions to her attorneys and said that she does not know the condition of her son.
“I don’t know. They won’t give me information,” Kimberly Holder told the Star-Telegram. “I’ve been asked to leave the hospital. I’m so unhappy right now.”

http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/07/23/5021540/two-shot-including-officer-near.html

I feel bad for her

 

[Jo in Calif]

Not true, he could have had a helper without that helper getting his DNA on her.

I am also sure there was quite a bit of innocent DNA they had to weed out, otherwise this case would have been solved July 2nd.......yeah they have to wait for confirmation but they knew it was forth coming.

Sure they did not ignore items from G home but they knew their perp.

OK, I'm almost ready to give up on this.
There could possibly be DNA that LE has not yet identified and that is why they are asking for the identity of one of the drivers in the photos that they released.
I have no idea if there is more DNA or not, but there possibly is.

 

[GingerzMomma]

She was asked to leave the hospital? WTH? Never in my life have I heard of a hospital asking family to leave. {other than if they were causing a scene or threatening violence, of course} Does not make sense. Anyone else find that odd?

That's exactly what I'm thinking. I've never seen such a thing without a "scene".

Particularly as he's presumably not in a capacity to make his own decisions, is a minor, and staff would require mother's permission for procedures and to make certain medical decisions.

(On the other hand, if he is now in LE "custody", maybe not? Anyone know about this?)

But without good cause to boot her I'd think even LE would want her involved in his medical decisions?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Is that normal? I mean not even telling mom his condition...? Seems odd to me. Moo.

The want to know who drove him.

IMO he's dead.

 

[blue22]

Yes, and it's totally ok for you to disagree with me, but I think kids born after 9-11 have lived surrounded by harmful messages. I do think it plays a role, even if it is a small one. I don't think that babies are born evil. I do agree that this is the most depraved thing a person can do. But I think that SOMETHING makes them that way -- maybe a combination of a lot of somethings. Maybe it was that he was raped himself by a man at 6 and his dad beat him and he has bad friends and he isn't very bright and is easily influenced. Who knows?! But I don't believe that just any baby can be born a monster and there is nothing we can do as parents to stop it.

I do think people can be born with imbalances in their brain, that cause them to be certain ways. I've seen it in my own family. I have family members who were born and behaved very wrong since birth. The had predispositions to behave badly, and then chose to go that way. Even with help and being raised "right." Obviously, just my opinion.

ETA: I think the lack of parenting and boundaries has more of an effect, if we get into the nurture debate. Parents work more hours, children spend more time getting nurture and learning from people not related to them, parents don't set boundaries, parents are friends, more poor and uneducated parents, etc. I think that causes kids to go a bad way, more then guns or tv shows.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Omg omg omg just read thread title and my heart is in my throat...

Now to catch up in reading...

:scared:

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Omg omg omg just read thread title and my heart is in my throat...

Now to catch up in reading...

:scared:

 

[Linda7NJ]

Is that normal? I mean not even telling mom his condition...? Seems odd to me. Moo.

They want to know who drove him.

IMO he's dead.

 

[theyamqueen]

I feel bad for her

I do and I don't. On one hand, she's a mother than has, in effect, lost her child now. He's hurt, she's (hopefully) confused, she is just a mother who wants her child.

On the other hand, he's 17 and, based off of limited social media and his basic looks, he's a walking "cry for help." If my son was 17 years old and living at home, no way in hades is that boy going to sit around playing video games and getting high.

I have some feels about that, but she's still off limits.

 

[Crimson clover]

This case just breaks my heart. I don't have children but I have a niece just a bit younger than Alanna and I can't even fathom this happening to her. I don't know how anyone can hurt an innocent beautiful little girl.

Fly with the angels baby girl. You are safe with our Heavenly Father now. No one will ever hurt you again.

May I chime in...and 'Amen' your post, please?
I've been reading this thread...silent and numb...the horrors. Our poor little innocent children...to meet death in such horrible ways. So, so sad. My heart breaks, too.
Yes, little Alanna is safe now. May her loved ones find comfort somehow in knowing that.

 

[Mitsana]

I've seen a still a few times, but does anyone have a link to that early video of the perp getting into his car?

Here it is. FWIW, if you watch the video, the reporter mentions that the perp left the house with a woman.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Saginaw-Child-Found-in-Tarp-Identified-214189511.html

Savvy reporter picking up on the suspicions of LE...

 

[ArianeEmory]

I've seen a still a few times, but does anyone have a link to that early video of the perp getting into his car?

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Saginaw-Child-Found-in-Tarp-Identified-214189511.html

 

[ahintexas]

I think that goes to why they were taking water/pool samples etc.

I guess "unknown liquid" is throwing me off. If she was wet from a pool/hot tub, they would be able to smell the chlorine, right?

 

[SCHMAE]

To arrest him and charge him , they had to read him his rights, correct? So that means he is awake and not comatose or unconscious or mentally incapacitated, correct?

 

[seguek9]

They want to know who drove him.

IMO he's dead.

It very well could be that he has passed.... I wonder what time that quote from the mother came... Could have been shortly after he was 'admitted' to the hospital....