TX - Atatiana Jefferson, 28, fatally shot at home, Fort Worth, Oct 2019 *officer charged*

[MsFacetious]

Nothing good ever happens after 10 pm!

10pm - 2:27am were just fine and lots of fun.
It was the next 3 minutes that were a total nightmare inflicted by Dean.

 

[Wishbone]

"Stalked" might be interpreted as an overly inflammatory term. Let's say instead that LE Dean parked his squad car out of sight around the corner, didn't announce himself, and concealed himself as he walked around outside surveilling doors & windows & any movement in the house.

Single word choice aside, the original post is entirely factual, not "nonsense."

Ms. Jefferson wasn't a trained professional LE, Dean (on paper) was; if she did grab a gun she didn't shoot it immediately; Dean saw her & most definitely shot her immediately.

She was in her own home, her "castle," playing video games with an 8 year nephew; not a conceivable threat to anyone.

Where's the nonsense part of what was said?

I like my word...and that cop was creeping around,,,another bad choice of words...but not as bad as what he did.

 

[MsFacetious]

"Stalked" might be interpreted as an overly inflammatory term. Let's say instead that LE Dean parked his squad car out of sight around the corner, didn't announce himself, and concealed himself as he walked around outside surveilling doors & windows & any movement in the house.

Single word choice aside, the original post is entirely factual, not "nonsense."

Ms. Jefferson wasn't a trained professional LE, Dean (on paper) was; if she did grab a gun she didn't shoot it immediately; Dean saw her & most definitely shot her immediately.

She was in her own home, her "castle," playing video games with an 8 year nephew; not a conceivable threat to anyone.

Where's the nonsense part of what was said?

Well I doubt it's what Falcon meant, but I think it's total nonsense that Dean shot into a bedroom window immediately.
What if Tay had fallen asleep on the couch and Zion had been the one to look out the window?
The chief is right, there is no excuse for this.

 

[JoeFromLB]

His fellow cops will probably close rank around him. The code of (blue) silence.

From what I could see and hear from the video, the shooting looks horribly wrong. But I'm not the investigator. I hope justice is done for all concerned.

 

[MsFacetious]

I like my word...and that cop was creeping around,,,another bad choice of words...but not as bad as what he did.

STALKING
to pursue or approach stealthily.

I think stalking fits just as well.
Also trespassing.
Creeping.
Probably several others.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"I don't have any officers saying this action should not have been taken against this individual, this officer. I'm getting the complete opposite response," Kraus said.

He added: "The officers are hurting."
Texas officer charged with murder in shooting of woman in her home released on bond; police chief says there is ‘absolutely no excuse’ for killing

 

[Wishbone]

STALKING
to pursue or approach stealthily.

I think stalking fits just as well.
Also trespassing.
Creeping.
Probably several others.

funny,,creeping was my second choice of words, lol

 

[angelainwi]

Duplicate thread alert

 

[Hraefn]

I like my word...and that cop was creeping around,,,another bad choice of words...but not as bad as what he did.

I think “stalking” and “creeping” are both appropriate words for what Tay could have perceived was going on outside. I literally cry every time I put myself or any loved one in her shoes. She had ZERO chance.

And I also agree with Hope4More’s assessment that the word “stalking” is the only possible thing from the prior post that is at all based in opinion, interpretation, or perspective. Everything else is just a fact. I don’t see how it is nonsense at all.

Maybe the poster misunderstood? IDK. JMO.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

funny,,creeping was my second choice of words, lol

Mama always told us kids when we were little to always close the curtains at night because peeping toms were out there somewhere.

 

[Woodland]

Seems former officer Dean is not one of a kind. Jmo.

 

[Medstudies]

That’s nonsense.

IF she picked up a gun, she had every single right to do so. Something or other about Second Amendment right and Castle Doctrine.

It is on record that he failed to go to the door and failed to announce himself. He sure as heck didn’t demand she drop a weapon. “Show your ha(bang!)nds”. What I want to know is: Did he wet himself before or after?

Seriously, the officer was set to be fired for many reasons because his actions were/are completely indefensible.

 

[Wishbone]

V BG gun


You know, each time you see the videos of unwarranted shooting, it is like a deja vu. We had one here, too, when a Native American street artist, an old guy, deaf, drunk and carrying a carving knife (he was carving NA figurines and totems) was walking down the street, and was shot by the police officer.

The footage exists. And you can sit in a dark room and watch footages of all these unwarranted shootings, cases that are called "police brutality", and if you are not told what situation relates to what case, you will not be able to tell. There is always the same scenario - almost no time between the yelling "hands up" and the shot. It is as if the policemen are possessed at this moment. (If there is a second policeman there (like in Castile's case), his reaction is telling, too. It is obvious that the shot comes totally unexpected for him/her).

I am not a cursing type, but when I read about Atatiana being shot, my first thought was, WT.. the policemen are doing? And the second one, are they stoned out of their minds?

So I wonder what happens to guys and women who do it. Are they of the kind that should not be allowed to have the guns, ever? Are they candidates for mental treatment, not police academy? Obviously, by brutality they are not improving own lives at all, as now they have to go through court, and even if they are deemed not guilty, they probably need to be in a certain protection program. So it is not the conscious decision, even if they have bias. After these shots, their lives are changed forever, too, and not in a good way.

I did have a situation when a very calm, nice person suddenly drew a loaded gun out of his pocket to show it to me. He did not threaten me, but the situation was unwarranted. My thinking was, two of us in the room, this gun, what does he want? I remember being concerned, but also... when this happens, my time slows down and I can think about de-escalating the situation. (It is not always good - during earthquakes, such a reaction is bad, and maybe if one is attacked, or stalked, it is bad, too).

Maybe some people react the opposite way, their time is compressed during perceived danger? It is good during catastrophes, but with people, they might act to escalate the situation. Both groups are needed, but maybe the ones who think that fast should not be handing high-crime cases or areas? They can better deal with the traffic.

About the age. It seems that young policemen are more prone to such responses, but older policemen have own biases. For example, they are way more misogynous. They expect "yes, sir" answers. And I know at least one situation when a police guy in my neighborhood acted clearly not by the books.

There are consequences for being impulsive. Most of the murders I've seen are just that. Impulsive heat of the moment reactions. Does that make them less deadly and not deserving of punishment? Our society says NO. Just as it says ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law. Just as it says this LEO did not follow procedure and announce himself.

 

[Wishbone]

IF she picked up a gun, she had every single right to do so. Something or other about Second Amendment right and Castle Doctrine.

It is on record that he failed to go to the door and failed to announce himself. He sure as heck didn’t demand she drop a weapon. “Show your ha(bang!)nds”. What I want to know is: Did he wet himself before or after?

Seriously, the officer was set to be fired for many reasons because his actions were/are completely indefensible.

Nicely put Medstudies!!

 

[Hope4More]

Kraus got choked up as he likened the aftermath of the shooting to ants working to build an anthill, when “somebody comes with a hose and washes it away and they just have to start from scratch.”

“We have a great many officers who work extremely hard every day,” Kraus said. “I ask you please do not let the actions of one officer reflect on the other 1,700. There’s absolutely no excuse for this incident.”
Atatiana Jefferson pointed gun at window before Fort Worth officer killed her, nephew told authorities

It's not just one officer who has caused many to question LE's use of deadly force, as Kraus no doubt knows all too well, especially given Guyger in his own back yard.

His larger points are absolutely true. The vast majority of LE are honorable, professional, and indispensable to the communities they serve, and yes, the many often get tainted by the misdeeds & bad judgement of the few.

Botham Jean's mother had it right, though, when she said the onus of changing any lack of trust in LE by the public rests on LE, not on the public. In this circumstance, if Kraus wants the public to trust LE in the Dallas-Ft Worth area, he needs to hire right, train right, supervise right, and have a zero tolerance policy for cops using unnecessary force in ANY circumstance.

That Dean is being held fully accountable & so speedily by LE & by city officials seems a hopeful sign.

 

[CarolinaAsh]

Duplicate thread alert

I can't find another thread on this, can you share a link?

Nevermind I just realized when I searched her name it had "in this forum" checked. Unchecked it and found it here: TX - Atatiana Jefferson, fatally shot by police through her window, bodycam, Fort Worth, 12 Oct 2019

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Fox News Senior Judicial Analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano said Tuesday that former Fort Worth police officer Aaron Dean will have to prove to the jury that he had a "justifiable fear in his mind of physical harm" after killing 28-year-old Atatiana Jefferson in her mother's home while responding to a call on Saturday.

Appearing on "America's Newsroom" with anchor Bill Hemmer, Napolitano explained that the claim would require Dean to demonstrate to the jury that he had that fear of harm to himself and that the "only way to address that fear was the use of physical force."

"This is a subjective test, meaning: 'Did the fear exist in his mind?' Not an objective test. The question is not, 'Was the fear rational?' The question is, 'Did the fear exist?'" he asked.
Former Fort Worth police officer must prove he had 'justifiable fear in his mind,' Judge Napolitano says

 

[MsAnastasiaBeaverhousin82]

I'm not surprised about that one. He wasn't going to be denied bond.

Jail records show Aaron Dean, 34, was out of custody after posting bond Monday night, less than four hours after his arrest in a shooting that began with a call about an open front door. He had been held on $200,000 bond.

Former Fort Worth officer released on bond after murder charge

 

[Hope4More]

I like my word...and that cop was creeping around,,,another bad choice of words...but not as bad as what he did.

I don't have a problem with the term stalking; it is just the only & single word of what you wrote I could imagine anyone finding at all objectionable, much less dismissed as nonsense.

IMO, the reality of what happened speaks for itself,
and loudly enough that LE is uniformly condemning, not shielding Dean.

 

[Gardenista]

Fox News Senior Judicial Analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano said Tuesday that former Fort Worth police officer Aaron Dean will have to prove to the jury that he had a "justifiable fear in his mind of physical harm" after killing 28-year-old Atatiana Jefferson in her mother's home while responding to a call on Saturday.

Appearing on "America's Newsroom" with anchor Bill Hemmer, Napolitano explained that the claim would require Dean to demonstrate to the jury that he had that fear of harm to himself and that the "only way to address that fear was the use of physical force."

"This is a subjective test, meaning: 'Did the fear exist in his mind?' Not an objective test. The question is not, 'Was the fear rational?' The question is, 'Did the fear exist?'" he asked.
Former Fort Worth police officer must prove he had 'justifiable fear in his mind,' Judge Napolitano says

Obvs the "judge" hasn't reviewed TX law. We've just been thru this with AG and it's all about intent. If not for intent, AG would not be sitting in jail right now.