TX - Austin Package Bombs #3

[Hatfield]

That's always possible. But he talks about being a psychopath since childhood, he wishes he was sorry but he's not, etc. I'd imagine he expands on that a little bit. I don't know... I just want to hear what HE has to say, and not what others (Manley's) opinions are about what they heard him say, if that makes sense.

This is JMO

I do think this was his reason and he is telling us.

"Conditt is heard describing himself on the recording as a ‘psychopath’ who has been mentally ill since childhood."

I think he knew he was sick for a very long time and decided he wanted to end it all and go out in a Grand Finale.

He says something very telling.

"‘I wish I were sorry but I am not."

This tells me he cannot feel empathy or remorse for the things he does. He was a true psychopath in every sense and he knew it. He wanted to end his life and decided to do it in a grandiose fashion.

I dont think this will be any more complex than that IMO.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-left-audio-recording-saying-psychopath.html

 

[Betty P]

The only place I saw it was here.

I saw it online in several articles/tweets, etc. There are so many places to read news on the internet and social media, it's hard to find everything. In the early part of the bombing spree, a lot of people were following the news via twitter & facebook, so there are news reports all over out there.

I didn't post it here as it wasn't sourced.

The investigation is ongoing. LE will release the results of their investigation to the public, so it's probably best to wait until then before assuming we have the final word on any details in question.

Remember, there were hundreds of LEO's from various jurisdictions involved in this investigation (500 from the FBI alone), multiple victims, multiple crime scenes, hundreds of witnesses, miles of video, etc. It will take some time to interview everyone, get reports and sort it all out.

It will probably take months, so it might be best to be patient.

 

[Ellie1]

Mental health professionals typically consider psychopathy to be caused primarily by nature (a physiological defect in the brain, as another poster mentioned) and sociopathy to be caused primarily by nurture (childhood abuse or trauma, often severe). Psychopathy is considered more dangerous than sociopathy and completely untreatable. Sociopathy is considered to have a slight chance of being responsive to treatment but still not a very high one. (LINK: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201401/how-tell-sociopath-psychopath) It sounds like it’s very possible that MAC could have been diagnosed with psychopathy and/or sociopathy.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

This is JMO

I do think this was his reason and he is telling us.

"Conditt is heard describing himself on the recording as a ‘psychopath’ who has been mentally ill since childhood."

I think he knew he was sick for a very long time and decided he wanted to end it all and go out in a Grand Finale.

He says something very telling.

"‘I wish I were sorry but I am not."

This tells me he cannot feel empathy or remorse for the things he does. He was a true psychopath in every sense and he knew it. He wanted to end his life and decided to do it in a grandiose fashion.

I dont think this will be any more complex than that IMO.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-left-audio-recording-saying-psychopath.html

Yes, I agree. Jumping off your post:

Psychopaths live and work with us.

Not all of them kill or commit suicide. Some do. As we know, some go on to lead corporations, etc.

This one decided his feelings and problems took precedence over everyone else’s. As most do.

HOWEVER, he killed and terrorized because he felt justified in doing so, imo. He felt negative feelings and wanted everyone else to feel pain just because he did. To his thinking, he enjoyed punishing everyone. It put him in control.

He’s like many bombers, mass shooters, criminals, terrorists, extremists in that way.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I still don't know where that started. I thought I read it in an online news site. Maybe it was scrubbed after it was found to be false?

Scrubbed? It might have been updated, but journalists don’t “scrub” the internet. That’s not how journalism works.

 

[liltexans]

Are we allowed to post GoFundMe sites here? If it's from a news source?

No, we don’t allow direct links to unless Tricia pre-approves them to be linked here.

However, if a is mentioned within a MSM article, you can link the article. Just don’t discuss or link the .

 

[leyash]

No, we don’t allow direct links to unless Tricia pre-approves them to be linked here.

However, if a is mentioned within a MSM article, you can link the article. Just don’t discuss or link the .

Great! Thanks, liltexans.

 

[x_files]

Scrubbed? It might have been updated, but journalists don’t “scrub” the internet. That’s not how journalism works.

edited, yes better choice of word.
If his sister did, in fact, tip LE, they might not want that public knowledge.

 

[leyash]

[FONT=&quot]https://twitter.com/BridgetonFOX7/status/977240282055041025

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Conditt’s home remains boarded up Friday. Roommates haven’t arrived to gather anything yet. The city will hold a vigil tonight to encourage one another after [/FONT]#austinbombings[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]@fox7austin

 

[leyash]

I know the house wasn't anything to look at before (aesthetically), but it's really bad now. Really bad. A lot of those houses in that neighborhood, even though they are old and small, they aren't awful looking. This thing sticks out like a sore thumb. I wanna get by there to take a couple more pictures, but I am short on time today. Maybe in a little bit.

 

[leyash]

I'm really confused.

I was able to drive by the house just a few minutes ago, and the house that they are showing as blurred out on Google Maps is NOT the house that has the windows boarded up...

I'm extremely, extremely confused.

I will say though, the house that is on Google Maps, does not look anything like what the house looks like NOW...

Really, really strange. The whole thing.

The address the media announced as his address, is not actually the address of the house. I'll just say that.

 

[leyash]

http://www.kvue.com/article/news/lo...ht-vigil-for-austin-bombing-victims/531329524

"Organizers ask attendees to bring their own candles to the event. According to the post, 36 people have confirmed they will go to the event, and 76 people say they're interested in going."

 

[gitana1]

That FBI profiler was spot on. Another friend called him intimidating, pugnacious in conversation.

I'm waiting to hear some comments from his father. I believe he had issues w/ Daddy.
Police Chief is too inexperienced to be making comments now.

From the article:

That suggests somebody without compassion, without empathy. Someone that's arrogant in the face of law enforcement. So this is someone that is probably [enjoying] the feeling of power and control – almost like holding the city of Austin hostage out of fear.

But I thought he was "challenged", facing "challenges?"

 

[x_files]

I'm really confused.

I was able to drive by the house just a few minutes ago, and the house that they are showing as blurred out on Google Maps is NOT the house that has the windows boarded up...

I'm extremely, extremely confused.

I will say though, the house that is on Google Maps, does not look anything like what the house looks like NOW...

Really, really strange. The whole thing.

The address the media announced as his address, is not actually the address of the house. I'll just say that.

I noticed that also. Do you think the neighbors requested Google blur their house?
ok, you can request Google to blur out your house. So, the house must have been blurred out recently before the raid.

 

[gitana1]

Good article at your link. This also stands out:



This sounds much like "othering". It's a way of using your belief system to classify others as less worthy, less human than yourself and others who share your beliefs. It allows people to separate themselves, place themselves on a pedestal above others.

It also allows people to "dehumanize" other people, a key component in psychopathic and sociopathic violent behavior. When you dehumanize others who you feel are inferior, you have no empathy and, in some cases, feel no guilt about inflicting harm upon them.

https://therearenoothers.wordpress.com/2011/12/28/othering-101-what-is-othering/

Reinforcing group identity is a normal human behavior, but sometimes it can get out of hand.

Yeah I mean there are tons of valid reasons to homeschool but to keep them away from society is a dysfunctional reason IMHO. Learning to interact and even cope with diverse groups of people indeed helps prepare us for the adult world and can increase compassion, tolerance, understanding, etc.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

No, they are born that way, one of the things is the prefrontal cortex that is ... different. I admit that I don't have the time right now to go into this in more detail, but you can google it. There are also twin studies showing that it definitely is more nature than nurture.

If they are made through abuse in the family, then why are there so many people who went through a lot of trauma in their childhood but don't become psychopaths? I would also be very careful with prisoners who are psychopaths and complain about all the abuse they went through - they are pathological liars and want to get your sympathy.

The nurture thing that is true though is that, lets say a highly educated psychopath behaves in a totally different way than an uneducated one. Or a very intelligent one acts in a totally different way than an unintelligent one.

Also, why, if it is all nurture, is it not possible to treat them with therapy and why does therapy only make them worse? Psychopathic prisoners who got therapy in prison are more likely to end up in prison again than the ones who didn't receive any treatment. And why are they "different" even as children? Which is actually part of the psychopathy checklist (early behavior problems):


glib and superficial charm
grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self
need for stimulation
pathological lying
cunning and manipulativeness
lack of remorse or guilt
shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness)
callousness and lack of empathy
parasitic lifestyle
poor behavioral controls
sexual promiscuity
early behavior problems
lack of realistic long-term goals
impulsivity
irresponsibility
failure to accept responsibility for own actions
many short-term marital relationships
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility

Also, just a footnote, if you ever had to deal with a psychopath, you could never say that they are not evil.

:gaah: double negatives are so hard to understand.

I so so so very much disagree with the last statement on this post. As a child, I was tested, not due to any Behavior, but as a freebie through somebody I won't go into it with about 30 children through a university.

I still have those papers in my files.

Apparently in the 8th grade I told the counselor and the person at the University that I did not have much empathy. And I was very concerned about it. She told me that having empathy that I didn't have empathy was showing that I had empathy. If that makes sense.

I don't want to share or digress, only to say I vehemently disagree with the above post. There are many people that are Psychopathic or sociopathic, that realize they are, and don't know what to do with it. They just grew up with it and learn how to deal with it.

There are very very many examples of CEOs who were such, or people who had very disturbing mental issues. The most famous, maybe Ted Turner, who was well-known.

 

[leyash]

I noticed that also. Do you think the neighbors requested Google blur their house?

Honestly, I'm not sure.
I don't see why they would request that, it's not like it really keeps you from seeing anything, as you can just drive right by it. But I guess it would help to keep non-local people from seeing anything... but even if that's the case, why do you care?

The media also gave out the wrong address.

The whole thing is just really bizarre.

 

[Betty P]

Anyone hear any statements from the MAC?Austin Bomber's church? Offers of condolences to the victims?
Anything? radio silence is deafening.

ok, I finally found his church:

"Two of the bombs were set in lower-income neighborhoods while the most recent explosion occurred in a middle-class neighborhood in Southwest Austin. There has been speculation as to whether they are coordinated and targeted – a hate crime or something else – but that is still unclear."

First bomb was set off in a nice neighborhood. Why do they even mention "lower-income".

https://www.austinstonecounseling.org/responding-biblically-to-the-bombings-in-austin-tx/

and in no way do they mention MAC attending their own church or offer links to help the victims' families.

Sadly, that's not surprising. I've read some of their web sites and looked at a couple of blogs written by their leaders. Some come across as narcissists obsessed with their interpretation of religion, while dismissing other religions. They project the image of being very "special" the only people close to their God and all others are sinners. Since none of the victims attended their church, one could surmise the church members view them as "sinners" who "grieve the Savior", so are not worthy of their sympathy.


Read their web site and blogs and it becomes easy to see how MAC eventually became what he was. Any person with even minor behavioral problems could eventually escalate after years of indoctrination in that kind of church. They seem disconnected from the world outside their church. JMO. They seem good at psychologically manipulating people, too. Many religions do that, but these people seem to have it down to an art form.

 

[Spellbound]

So earlier it was said on this forum that his sister turned him in. People were asked to provide sources for that and I don't think anyone ever did, at least that I saw. I don't think we have any proof the sister turned him in. I'd like to lay that rumor to rest once and for all if we can.

I posted this before. it is all I have seen about any tips received that could have led to a capture/arrest. Etc. I suspect it was a rumor through social media, though I never saw it,.

Gov. Abbott: Abbott said he was not aware of any public tips that had led to the arrest.
The “Tips” that led to arrest warrant were video surveillance and online orders, according to the article.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/03/21/austin-bombing-suspect-reportedly-killed

 

[x_files]

Honestly, I'm not sure.
I don't see why they would request that, it's not like it really keeps you from seeing anything, as you can just drive right by it. But I guess it would help to keep non-local people from seeing anything... but even if that's the case, why do you care?

The media also gave out the wrong address.

The whole thing is just really bizarre.

If they gave out the wrong address to MAC's house then the neighbors must be ticked off the media would swarm their house by accident.