TX - Austin Package Bombs #3

[Jinkasaurus]

With these articles describing how he evaded being caught, I find myself thinking... the next bomber is out there, making notes, and learning how to be more successful when he does it.

I know the public wants to know these details, but I wonder if we all might be better served by not having them published.

 

[margarita25]

rsbm


Stop feeling sorry for the Austin bomber

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...n-glanton-conditt-monster-20180323-story.html

Hardly, what kind of stupid headline is this? (Not shooting the messenger here, Betty :heart

I don't need to be told not to feel sorry for this guy.

""I wish I were sorry but I am not," Conditt said on a video recording he left on his cell phone hours before blowing himself up in his car Wednesday as authorities closed in, according to the Austin American-Statesman."

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

depressing, he had his whole life ahead of him! Very talented young man played stand-up bass.

I was about to post those articles also!

I've noticed a few headlines changed from Austin Bomber Dead to Alleged Austin Bomber.
That concerns me. Why the change days later?

Hardly, what kind of stupid headline is this? (Not shooting the messenger here, Betty :heart

I don't need to be told not to feel sorry for this guy.

""I wish I were sorry but I am not," Conditt said on a video recording he left on his cell phone hours before blowing himself up in his car Wednesday as authorities closed in, according to the Austin American-Statesman."

This guy is a terrorist plain and simple. Right Wing radical. All one needs to do is check out his social media, his anti gay school essay, (talk about nuts,and bolts) one of his FB PICS states he supports cops not ****s. Clearly he hates BLM, and women his puritanical beliefs on abortion. (Basical keep a dime between your knees)
I've heard the shock because people describe him as 'Godly,'and 'Christian'. As if someone who is 'Godly'and 'christian' could not be terrorist.
If it walks like a duck,and talks like a duck It's a duck.
Terrorist go around bombing people on their list of undesirables.
Do people not think he's a terrorist because he's a 'Godly' Christian? What gives?
Mathew 7:15

So Angry.
His Facebook has been scrubbed. The pic he had up where he states he supports police not ****s is gone. Curiouser,and curiouser. Hmmmmmmmm. I wonder why that is. I'm kicking myself for not getting a screenshot.
They are covering for this right wing radical terrorist.
So he can be portrayed as a poor troubled nice 'Godly''Christian' and not the hateful terrorist he was.
It makes sick.
Awwww the poor fellow. Boohoo hoo. He was just a troubled soul. Oh so 'Godly' and 'christian'.
Why the cover up? Why the denial?
Why does he get a pass?
Why the scrubbing of his Facebook?
Because in real true light. He's a terrorist.
If there was nothing to hide, there would be no scrubbing.

 

[rsd1200]

So Angry.
His Facebook has been scrubbed. The pic he had up where he states he supports police not ****s is gone. Curiouser,and curiouser. Hmmmmmmmm. I wonder why that is. I'm kicking myself for not getting a screenshot.
They are covering for this right wing radical terrorist.
So he can be portrayed as a poor troubled nice 'Godly''Christian' and not the hateful terrorist he was.
It makes sick.
Awwww the poor fellow. Boohoo hoo. He was just a troubled soul. Oh so 'Godly' and 'christian'.
Why the cover up? Why the denial?
Why does he get a pass?
Why the scrubbing of his Facebook?
Because in real true light. He's a terrorist.
If there was nothing to hide, there would be no scrubbing.

BBM

I try to do that too, if I think to do so.

They've started taking a lot of folk's FB pages down, in many cases, when they commit a heinous act. People who are connected to them, many times, are sent death threats, and searched out by other crazies. I'd also not want it left up, as some sort of way for some other addled mind to worship him, if he'd killed my family member.

I guess I took the police chief's statement different than others. I took it to mean, that what was said on the tape, were words of the bomber's rage, and/or, railings, behind the motives, of an unhinged human being. I never took it as trying to garner sympathy for a murderer. Just my take, though.

"I wish I were sorry but I'm not." That's just stone cold.

 

[UltraViolet4545]

I searched the other day and never was able to find his Facebook page.

That being said, it may not be a “cover up” in the way some folks think. If enough people found his Facebook page and “reported” pictures as being inappropriate, Facebook removes them. I’m guessing that is most likely what happened here, especially if the pictures were crude/hateful.

 

[bluesneakers]

Does Facebook have a policy of suspending accounts of mass (or alleged) shooters and bombers? It seems like the same thing happened in another case. (I can't remember which one. Maybe the Pulse shooter, or the church in Texas.)

 

[katydid23]

Does Facebook have a policy of suspending accounts of mass (or alleged) shooters and bombers? It seems like the same thing happened in another case. (I can't remember which one. Maybe the Pulse shooter, or the church in Texas.)

I have seen that happen in many cases. Once someone is arrested, suddenly their FB is removed. I am not sure if it is done by FB, or the family or LE, or?

But have seen it many times. We will link the suspects FB in a thread, then a day or 2 later someone will say ' POOF, it's gone now.'

 

[Isabelle]

Austin bombing victim accepted at Oberlin before death

http://www.kwtx.com/content/news/Au...cepted-at-Oberlin-before-death-477761623.html





Stop feeling sorry for the Austin bomber

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...n-glanton-conditt-monster-20180323-story.html

This victim was about to live his dream!!! So sad.

 

[rsd1200]

Mark Conditt is looking more sexually repressed/sexually frustrated with issues of self-hatred. I have seen that a lot in the past with other killers like Elliot Rodger, Adam Lanza, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, Seung-Hui Cho, Devin Kelley, Nikolas Cruz, James Holmes, Stephen Paddock, Charles Whitman, Omar Mateen, Anders Breivik, John Wayne Gacy, Ed Gein, Gertrude Baniszewski, Lori Drew, Yoselyn Ortega, Laurie Tackett, Eliza Baker, 9/11 Terrorists, and Osama bin Laden.

Not saying sexually repressed/sexually frustrated people are going to be violent and become mass killers. Most mass killers and serial killers are sexually repressed/sexually frustrated people.

Another thing I notice is that there is also issues of social alienation and not fitting. Again, I am not suggesting that people who have issues fitting are going to become extremely violent.

Agree. I was doing a bit of research on bombers and, it seems to point in that direction. Although this was, it seems, a bomber bent on vandalism, rather than killing folks back in March of 2008, his points about bombers, in general, were interesting.

Dr. Welner has spent years studying the minds of some of the nation's most notorious bombers, including Eric Rudolph, the Olympic Park bomber who went on to plant deadly explosives at several abortion clinics.
...
An FBI report into the psychology of a bomber says he is usually "of an above-average intelligence" and "possesses unknown, untapped destructive capabilities."

"People who've chosen explosive destructiveness are typically those who take a lot of pride in their intellect, but are underachievers and socially inept," Dr. Welner said.

http://abc7ny.com/archive/6003946/

 

[BooBooTheFool]

Good article at your link. This also stands out:



This sounds much like "othering". It's a way of using your belief system to classify others as less worthy, less human than yourself and others who share your beliefs. It allows people to separate themselves, place themselves on a pedestal above others.

It also allows people to "dehumanize" other people, a key component in psychopathic and sociopathic violent behavior. When you dehumanize others who you feel are inferior, you have no empathy and, in some cases, feel no guilt about inflicting harm upon them.

https://therearenoothers.wordpress.com/2011/12/28/othering-101-what-is-othering/

Reinforcing group identity is a normal human behavior, but sometimes it can get out of hand.

This is very, very crucial to understanding why he was able to do what he did.

 

[BooBooTheFool]

From your link:

The serial Austin bomber had been part of a Christian survivalist group that would discuss weapons and dangerous chemicals - as authorities reveal he had a target list of future locations to continue his reign of terror.

Mark Anthony Conditt, 23, took part in the conservative club called Righteous Invasion of Truth (RIOT) as a teenager, which involved home-schooled youth studying the bible and being taught gun skills.

I already said this in the Beaver Dam thread but yikes the name of that organization sounds very. ...terrorist-y.

Hmmm ^^could be why the wording of APD tweet tonight Did they lawyer up? 4pm and MAC dropped the 2 packages off at delivery store little after 7pm.

Hours before a dramatic confrontation between Austin bomber Mark Conditt and police, two paramedics for the Pflugerville Fire Department may have inadvertently tipped off Conditt that law enforcement was closing in on him.

The two-person crew was intended to be nearby as authorities conducted surveillance and prepared to serve a search warrant at Conditt’s Pflugerville home, in case any officers were injured.

Instead, they knocked on the door and talked to one of Conditt’s roommates at the same time a small army of police officers and federal agents was getting ready for the raid. Police suspect the roommate may have told Conditt about what happened, potentially giving him a hint that investigators would be arriving soon

low-priority medical call and that when they arrived, they asked a man who answered the door if anyone called for an ambulance.

“The person at the door said, ‘No, we did not,’ and he hollered back into the house and another man shouted, ‘I didn’t either.’ So they turned around and left.”

The incident happened around 4 p.m. Tuesday, about nine hours before police say Conditt killed himself with an explosive along Interstate 35.

Ernesto Rodriguez, chief of the Austin-Travis County Emergency Medical Services, said dispatchers received a “request assistance” from law enforcement in which they are asked to be on standby for a potentially volatile situation.

“They just wanted an ambulance on standby,” Rodriguez said.

Rodriguez said the request included “staging instructions” that were sent from dispatchers to Pflugerville via text from a mobile data computer.

Officials said the crew responded quickly — their fire station is near the house — and did not receive those orders before knocking.

A dispatch recording obtained by the American-Statesman and KVUE-TV shows that a dispatcher was concerned about what was taking place.

“You need to stage at your fire station,” the dispatcher said. “Do not make scene.”

Medics radioed back that they had already cleared the scene and that no medical response was necessary.

“Upon arrival, homeowner advised no one at the residence had contacted 911 and EMS was not needed,” the medics later wrote in a report.https://www.statesman.com/news/medi...er-before-police-raid/mPruG6l0Rhwar79i8ATPtJ/

This is insane to me. :gaah:

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

My most sincere apologies to all concerned.

Thanks very much for setting me straight. :shame:

Probably too much empathy on my part. I'm just one of those compassionate, bleeding heart kind of people. :truce:

No need for apologies, Betty. It could still be PTSD.

 

[BooBooTheFool]

"Some headlines seem more sympathetic to white perpetrators of mass violence than black victims of police shootings."

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...-for-violent-acts_us_5ab406c5e4b0bc0061c670cb

they keep using the pic of him when he was 17 in msm. no more mention of the first 3 victims except for the "low income" bandied about like someone else pointed out, that's something they were using to paint a racialized picture of poverty for the black/latino neighborhoods. bau.
this is why we must not talk about racism because it's too complex and non-linear and some people refuse to understand that austin may be a nice place with friendly folk., invisible segregation does happen and it doesn't mean the klan lives in your town. so because a lot of people don't understand race and get defensive, we can't talk about. i imagine it's like how my HS couldn't teach evolution because some people felt it questioned their faith. same thing.

 

[BooBooTheFool]

I find it interesting that the Grandmother quoted previously about 'what a great, tight, normal family this is, happens
to be the father's mother. remember in these religious, Patriarchal families, the father rules the roost.
She sounds just like the patriarchal grandmother in the Turpin family- that tortured and abused their 13 children in
texas and California.
My point is- look to the fathers in Patriarchal Families. Meaness, cruelty, abuse to children is generational.

In the eyes of the father's family, they're all normal, innocent, nothing wrong in this family. Move on.

PS- Both of these fathers were Engineers. Things oriented, not people oriented. IMO.

gotta love the Inter-generational transmission of violence (and other related things)

 

[BooBooTheFool]

There are theories that it is passed through DNA/heredity generics and through nurture (or the lack of). One can be born psychopath but have a great childhood and they pursue law or become a surgeon instead.
They are directed into a productive life rather than fall into criminality.

also, specifically, it is now being thought of as (possibly in some cases) result of certain environmental triggers causing certain genes relating to brain dysfunction to be expressed.

 

[BooBooTheFool]

This is JMO

I do think this was his reason and he is telling us.

"Conditt is heard describing himself on the recording as a ‘psychopath’ who has been mentally ill since childhood."

I think he knew he was sick for a very long time and decided he wanted to end it all and go out in a Grand Finale.

He says something very telling.

"‘I wish I were sorry but I am not."

This tells me he cannot feel empathy or remorse for the things he does. He was a true psychopath in every sense and he knew it. He wanted to end his life and decided to do it in a grandiose fashion.

I dont think this will be any more complex than that IMO.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-left-audio-recording-saying-psychopath.html

personally, i think all his "i knew i was a psycho when i was a child" is just posturing and trying to make a legendary tale out of why he's so maladjusted and justifying his failures. He was gassing himself up as a psycho and probably looked up to that type of thing.

he just wants people to think he had profound sickness/was a psychopath. that's the legacy he wanted to leave and i'm not going to buy into that spin.

 

[BooBooTheFool]

Whoever suggested this Huffington Post Article: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-luther-austin-terrorism_us_5ab3f96be4b054d118e0e5a7
thank you. it kind of gets at the kind of stuff we can't talk about here that is important.

Putting all the blame on the sickness of MAC's mind is just another way to avoid the fact that he was "a terrorist of our own making". Focusing on how he claims he was a psychopath since he was a little kid is a disservice.

"Both House and Conditt got haircuts at the same Pflugerville barbershop for years."
1st victim and bomber went to the same barber. Possibly they met?

https://www.mystatesman.com/news/lo...ugerville-barber-shop/R8SIyx8QsuhAQ4XleFHG4M/

People don't even want to think about a black person being targeted by a white person. Too much race talk.

That interview at the link with the neighbor. MC was a "normal, nice kid". Everyone is nice, family were nice. They were all nice. No one has anything bad to say about the serial bomber. Sorry, but mass murderers are not nice people.

As the journalist mentioned in the column upthread, I'm tired of hearing about how nice every mass murderer is lately. All nice people who went to school and church. Good family.

No, they weren't nice or good and there was something wrong with their families too. People need to stop being in denial about the scourge of nice, good, middle class mass murderers in the US today. JMO, there's something wrong in our society today that's producing these killers at such a rapid pace.

Exactly! There is something insidious taking hold of individuals and no one wants to discuss how the causes are multiple and how deeply embedded into our society they are.

 

[bluesneakers]

personally, i think all his "i knew i was a psycho when i was a child" is just posturing and trying to make a legendary tale out of why he's so maladjusted and justifying his failures. He was gassing himself up as a psycho and probably looked up to that type of thing.

he just wants people to think he had profound sickness/was a psychopath. that's the legacy he wanted to leave and i'm not going to buy into that spin.

Exactly! HE claims it! Why on earth do we believe him? We've seen no evidence from the first 23 years of his life that supports his statement that he is a mentally ill psychopath. I think he believed it made him sound more badass, but he's just a loser.

 

[Fairy1]

I'm very sorry to see so many attempting to defend this murderer. IMO, he was just another entitled, millennial malcontent. Someone who felt the world owed him something. I doubt he had any mental illness. However, I do believe his upbringing played a role in his end game. As much as I despair at public education nowadays, I will never be a fan of homeschooling.

 

[BooBooTheFool]

I'm very sorry to see so many attempting to defend this murderer. IMO, he was just another entitled, millennial malcontent. Someone who felt the world owed him something. I doubt he had any mental illness. However, I do believe his upbringing played a role in his end game. As much as I despair at public education nowadays, I will never be a fan of homeschooling.

pro-tip painting a large group of people (millennial) with the same brush is hardly ever accurate because statistically it can't be.
:laughing::ignore:
It also makes you sound biased and unreliable.