TX - Austin Package Bombs #3

[bluesneakers]

The Texas church shooter* was 26 — and it shows a disturbing trend about millennial men and mass murder

Over the last 10 years, men in their mid- to late 20s and early 30s have committed the majority of US terrorist attacks and mass shootings.

Over the past decade, the demographic profile of terrorists like Kelley and Saipov have begun to come into focus. Men between 20 and 30 years old are overwhelmingly more likely to commit mass shootings, attacks, and acts of terrorism than any other gender or age group in the US, the evidence suggests.

Psychiatrists and social scientists believe the trend can be explained by a mix of factors, including a lack of neurological development, the need for belonging, and an evolving trend of past attacks that make future ones seem less horrific to perpetrators, and perhaps even noble.

*Sutherland Springs, TX

 

[Jax49]

Reading comprehension is fundamental.

moo

 

[mpnola]

I'm very sorry to see so many attempting to defend this murderer. IMO, he was just another entitled, millennial malcontent. Someone who felt the world owed him something. I doubt he had any mental illness. However, I do believe his upbringing played a role in his end game. As much as I despair at public education nowadays, I will never be a fan of homeschooling.

Well, he went to college for a couple of years. So maybe it was that. And he was all big into Chistianity, so maybe it is a Christian thing. No? Why not? Oh, because he's just a nutball. As ridiculous as it sounds to blame on college or Christianity is as ridiculous as it sounds to blame on homeschooling. That's just my opinion. We can't pick out the parts that "we" don't do and try to blame it on that. Either we look at all the factors as a possible link to crazy murdering lunatics or we stop acting like there is an actual link to the one thing we decide must be it.




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[Fairy1]

pro-tip painting a large group of people (millennial) with the same brush is hardly ever accurate because statistically it can't be.
:laughing::ignore:
It also makes you sound biased and unreliable.

Oh. Okay. I am the mother of two millennials.

 

[BooBooTheFool]

and i am a licensed millennial and i know for a fact we come in all sorts of different sizes, shapes, colors and levels of entitlement. some of us aren't even properly licensed malcontents.

 

[Fairy1]

and i am a licensed millennial and i know for a fact we come in all sorts of different sizes, shapes, colors and levels of entitlement. some of us aren't even properly licensed malcontents.

There are no licenses for millennials or malcontents.

 

[rsd1200]

Good article at your link. This also stands out:



This sounds much like "othering". It's a way of using your belief system to classify others as less worthy, less human than yourself and others who share your beliefs. It allows people to separate themselves, place themselves on a pedestal above others.

It also allows people to "dehumanize" other people, a key component in psychopathic and sociopathic violent behavior. When you dehumanize others who you feel are inferior, you have no empathy and, in some cases, feel no guilt about inflicting harm upon them.

https://therearenoothers.wordpress.com/2011/12/28/othering-101-what-is-othering/

Reinforcing group identity is a normal human behavior, but sometimes it can get out of hand.

I have witnessed "othering".. Highly annoying. It's not what I'd call cultish, it's more clannish. Some folks can hold certain ideologies, so firmly, that the only conversation that they need have, is one with an echo chamber. However, while some were caught living a lie, or a double life, when it came down to brass tacks, none who I have known, became serial bombers, or murderers, or held the town in a reign of terror. They were/are no more remarkable than other folks, except they tend to put on a few airs.

 

[Miya]

Exactly! HE claims it! Why on earth do we believe him? We've seen no evidence from the first 23 years of his life that supports his statement that he is a mentally ill psychopath. I think he believed it made him sound more badass, but he's just a loser.

I posted that he was a psychopath a few days before his "confession" came out. So you don't think that a mass murderer like him is a psychopath? They always are. Someone with a conscience and empathy and feelings for other people could never do what he did. People really need to do more research about psychopaths, I recommened 2 books and a documentary, that's a good place to start.

Also, a psychopath is not "mentally ill" in the sense that he doesn't know right from wrong. I wouldn't call them mentally ill at all. Most of them don't suffer and just make other people suffer. They are responsible for their actions and know right from wrong, they just don't care ... or CAN'T care, there is something "missing" in their brains.

 

[missingno]

I posted that he was a psychopath a few days before his "confession" came out. So you don't think that a mass murderer like him is a psychopath? They always are. Someone with a conscience and empathy and feelings for other people could never do what he did. People really need to do more research about psychopaths, I recommened 2 books and a documentary, that's a good place to start.

Also, a psychopath is not "mentally ill" in the sense that he doesn't know right from wrong. I wouldn't call them mentally ill at all. Most of them don't suffer and just make other people suffer. They are responsible for their actions and know right from wrong, they just don't care ... or CAN'T care, there is something "missing" in their brains.

Just my two cents, but I think automatically labeling MAC and other mass shooters "psychopaths" implies that they had a mental illness which was the cause of their actions. I think perhaps another line of thinking is maybe they were entirely in control of their actions and were not under the control of mental illness.

Mass murde is cruel, deeply inhumane, antisocial, criminal behavior but determining whether it's psychotic is, I think, making a determination about what level of control the criminal had over their actions. Right now, the picture of MAC that's been created tells me he was fully in control, he just didn't care about innocent human life, showed no self control, and went out in, what he thought of as, a blaze of glory. Hoping we get more evidence of what was going on in his horrible mind.

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[Miya]

Just my two cents, but I think automatically labeling MAC and other mass shooters "psychopaths" implies that they had a mental illness which was the cause of their actions. I think perhaps another line of thinking is maybe they were entirely in control of their actions and were not under the control of mental illness.

Mass murde is cruel, deeply inhumane, antisocial, criminal behavior but determining whether it's psychotic is, I think, making a determination about what level of control the criminal had over their actions. Right now, the picture of MAC that's been created tells me he was fully in control, he just didn't care about innocent human life, showed no self control, and went out in, what he thought of as, a blaze of glory. Hoping we get more evidence of what was going on in his horrible mind.

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Please, please, please read my posts and read the books or at least watch the documentary that I recommended. Psychopath and psychotic are 2 completely different things. Completely different. Psychosis IS a mental illness and people don't know what is right and wrong, in simple words they live in their own reality without knowing.

Psychopaths are not mentally ill in that sense and they are what you described, I posted this, well, by now it feels a million times, in this thread including the symptoms.

I have to say I'm a bit surprised, this is a crime forum and I really didn't expect that a lot of people don't know what psychopaths are when 25 % of all male prisoners are psychopaths and they are responsible for 50 % of all violent crimes. I really thought on a crime forum this would be common knowledge somehow. And I didn't expect that psychopathy gets confused with psychosis ...


P.S. Now I just read my post again that you replied to, did you even read my post? I never used the word "psychotic" and apart from that you just repeated what I said in the post you quoted.

 

[Blue5591]

I posted that he was a psychopath a few days before his "confession" came out. So you don't think that a mass murderer like him is a psychopath? They always are. Someone with a conscience and empathy and feelings for other people could never do what he did. People really need to do more research about psychopaths, I recommened 2 books and a documentary, that's a good place to start.

Also, a psychopath is not "mentally ill" in the sense that he doesn't know right from wrong. I wouldn't call them mentally ill at all. Most of them don't suffer and just make other people suffer. They are responsible for their actions and know right from wrong, they just don't care ... or CAN'T care, there is something "missing" in their brains.

Do have a book and documentary in mind?

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[x_files]

they keep using the pic of him when he was 17 in msm. no more mention of the first 3 victims except for the "low income" bandied about like someone else pointed out, that's something they were using to paint a racialized picture of poverty for the black/latino neighborhoods. bau.
this is why we must not talk about racism because it's too complex and non-linear and some people refuse to understand that austin may be a nice place with friendly folk., invisible segregation does happen and it doesn't mean the klan lives in your town. so because a lot of people don't understand race and get defensive, we can't talk about. i imagine it's like how my HS couldn't teach evolution because some people felt it questioned their faith. same thing.

I agree. They are painting out the bomber in a sympatheric light even if it is subconsciously and it's unintentional. I want them to show recent photos of him not his 17 year old photo.

 

[x_files]

I posted that he was a psychopath a few days before his "confession" came out. So you don't think that a mass murderer like him is a psychopath? They always are. Someone with a conscience and empathy and feelings for other people could never do what he did. People really need to do more research about psychopaths, I recommened 2 books and a documentary, that's a good place to start.

Also, a psychopath is not "mentally ill" in the sense that he doesn't know right from wrong. I wouldn't call them mentally ill at all. Most of them don't suffer and just make other people suffer. They are responsible for their actions and know right from wrong, they just don't care ... or CAN'T care, there is something "missing" in their brains.

My bet he was a psychopath and a loser.

 

[Miya]

Do have a book and documentary in mind?

"Without Conscience" by Robert D. Hare
"The Sociopath Next Door" by Martha Stout

Documentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60vK6Uw9sSE&t=1705s

Robert D. Hare's psychopathy checklist:


glib and superficial charm
grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self
need for stimulation
pathological lying
cunning and manipulativeness
lack of remorse or guilt
shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness)
callousness and lack of empathy
parasitic lifestyle
poor behavioral controls
sexual promiscuity
early behavior problems
lack of realistic long-term goals
impulsivity
irresponsibility
failure to accept responsibility for own actions
many short-term marital relationships
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility


They can also be identified through brain scans, one thing is if you show them disturbing pictures, like a picture of an injured woman or a crying child, in the brain scan their brains are basically "dead". No emotional reaction. While in people who are not psychopaths several parts of the brain show a reaction.

And ... many of them are actually losers, see lack of realistic long-term goals plus the parasitic lifestyle (many can't or don't want to hold a job and just empty the pockets of their spouse - and other people - that they only see as things, as tools to get what they want and not as human beings). The bomber didn't see the victims as human beings or he couldn't have done what he did. He even said he doesn't care. To them everything is just a game, they just play games with other people.

 

[Blue5591]

"Without Conscience" by Robert D. Hare
"The Sociopath Next Door" by Martha Stout

Documentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60vK6Uw9sSE&t=1705s

Robert D. Hare's psychopathy checklist:


glib and superficial charm
grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self
need for stimulation
pathological lying
cunning and manipulativeness
lack of remorse or guilt
shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness)
callousness and lack of empathy
parasitic lifestyle
poor behavioral controls
sexual promiscuity
early behavior problems
lack of realistic long-term goals
impulsivity
irresponsibility
failure to accept responsibility for own actions
many short-term marital relationships
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility


They can also be identified through brain scans, one thing is if you show them disturbing pictures, like a picture of an injured woman or a crying child, in the brain scan their brains are basically "dead". No emotional reaction. While in people who are not psychopaths several parts of the brain show a reaction.

And ... many of them are actually losers, see lack of realistic long-term goals plus the parasitic lifestyle (many can't or don't want to hold a job and just empty the pockets of their spouse - and other people - that they only see as things, as tools to get what they want and not as human beings). The bomber didn't see the victims as human beings or he couldn't have done what he did. He even said he doesn't care. To them everything is just a game, they just play games with other people.

Thank you so much! I dated one for 5 years and luckily got out before he really whacked out and did some very horrific things that I would find out 20 years after we were together after he killed himself due to the police closing in on him. Crazy!

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[jjenny]

I agree. They are painting out the bomber in a sympatheric light even if it is subconsciously and it's unintentional. I want them to show recent photos of him not his 17 year old photo.

Maybe there aren't recent photos of him.

 

[jjenny]

personally, i think all his "i knew i was a psycho when i was a child" is just posturing and trying to make a legendary tale out of why he's so maladjusted and justifying his failures. He was gassing himself up as a psycho and probably looked up to that type of thing.

he just wants people to think he had profound sickness/was a psychopath. that's the legacy he wanted to leave and i'm not going to buy into that spin.

Psychopath is someone who has no empathy. Which sure fits him, so I think he knew what he was. Considering he blew himself up, and suicide seems to have always his end game, he had no clear reason to make it up.

Some people seem to be confusing psychopath and psychotic. They are not the same thing at all. Psychotic is someone who has psychosis. Psychopath is someone who has no empathy.

"Psychopathy is among the most difficult disorders to spot. The psychopath can appear normal, even charming. Underneath, he lacks conscience and empathy, making him manipulative, volatile and often (but by no means always) criminal."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/psychopathy

 

[mrtnira]

Miya, thank you for sharing your experience and understanding. And, thank you for taking the time to give us direction to reference material for further study.

I've met and worked with problem personalities, and information like this is always useful.

 

[rsd1200]

Just my two cents, but I think automatically labeling MAC and other mass shooters "psychopaths" implies that they had a mental illness which was the cause of their actions. I think perhaps another line of thinking is maybe they were entirely in control of their actions and were not under the control of mental illness.

Mass murde is cruel, deeply inhumane, antisocial, criminal behavior but determining whether it's psychotic is, I think, making a determination about what level of control the criminal had over their actions. Right now, the picture of MAC that's been created tells me he was fully in control, he just didn't care about innocent human life, showed no self control, and went out in, what he thought of as, a blaze of glory. Hoping we get more evidence of what was going on in his horrible mind.

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Ronald Exantus, was recently given the verdict of "not guilty by reason of insanity", for murdering little six year old Logan Tipton. It is the first type of verdict, that I can remember, like this, in my region (Ky). The bomber would not, imo, have qualified for this verdict. I'm having a hard time dealing with Exantus qualifying.

Psychopaths know what they are doing, it isn't a mental illness. They know right from wrong but do not care. As the bomber said himself "I wish I cared, but I don't."

From link, below:
Psychopathy is about as common as OCD or panic disorder. About 1% of the male population, in the U.S. are said to be psychopaths, 63% of them are either in jail, prison, on parole, or probation. These are people who lack the ordinary connections that bind us all and lack the inhibitions that those connections impose. They are, to over simplify, people without empathy or conscience.

Harvey Cleckly examined some, though, who were highly functioning businessmen—men of the world as he put it—scientists, physicians and even psychiatrists. These people were able to navigate the demands of modern society, despite having the same clinical constellations as their less-functioning brethren, including grandiosity, impulsivity, remorselessness and shallow affect.
(There is a book, Snakes in Suits:When Psychopaths Go to Work about these types, that sounds very interesting.)

The Criminal Psychopath; History, Neuroscience, Treatment, and Economics
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4059069/

 

[missingno]

Miya, rsd1200, jjenny, thank you for all the information. It is a lot to think about and I am just processing this tragedy and type of behavior. Appreciate all the resources to look into this more.

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