GUILTY TX - Billy Joe Harris for rapes of elderly women in 6 counties, 2011

[Ruflossn]

concerndgdaughter~
Welcome to WS. Imo, you will not find a more caring group of sleuthers than those that have been posting on this case.

I am sure that LE (law enforcement) has briefed you and your family on all the aspects of this case. As a person who has an active interest in behavioral profiling, I wanted to let you know that 'victimology' is a very important part of resolving any crime. Especially one of this nature. It will be imperative that LE try and connect the dots so that all the victims can be traced to to a singular or plural interaction with a situation or person etc.............. When you grandmother reflects on the weeks, days etc..... that led up to her attack, remember to take notes and that nothing is insignificant.
What may seem insignificant to you may be something that LE has not released to the families or public. It may be the one link that will tie things together.

I am so very sorry that your Grandmother and your entire family is having to go through this. Assault is a very ugly crime. Assaulting an elderly woman makes it even uglier. (At least imo.) The phrase from my youth ~ "pick on someone your own size" just about sums it up. What a coward this rapist is . I need to stop typing. I can feel my anger escalating! Ugh. :furious:

Flossie

 

[concerndgdaughter]

Thank you for your kind words. The process has been kind of frustrating- all I will say is that LE has been quite tight-lipped about everything. We will probably find out when you do as to the DNA results. Until then I am prepared to protect and defend her in any way that I can. We wish we knew more just like you do...

 

[justthinkin]

concerndgdaughter,

Welcome to WS, and I sure hope your gma is recovering from this. Psychologically, it might take much longer, and I can't wait until this creep is behind bars so all the ladies can rest a whole lot easier, and breathe a sigh of relief.

If you contact Tricia, the owner of this website, she can fix it so you can send private messages. People are usually required to wait until 50 posts or something like that, but Tricia can intercede, and get it done pronto.

 

[Missizzy]

TM--You jogged a memory of mine. A couple of nights ago, I thought about the idea of scrubs. So many people seem to respect/accept/feel comfortable around someone in scrubs even if they're in an entry level job. Interesting, huh?

Well, I wondered if this guy could wear scrubs and look as if he's just passing through a neighborhood. If each of these homes had a nursing home nearby, he could surely hang out in a car without attracting attention--having his break--or even go on a walk having a cigarette.

Most of these towns are way too small for a hospital but how about a care home or a nursing home? This would also explain the detailed understanding of elders and certain issues.

 

[Missizzy]

Following that line of thought, could these ladies receive some sort of in house therapy at the care homes ie. physical therapy, etc. where he could observe the women who are his prey? He could be an orderly, a kitchen worker...all while watching. It's my experience that caregivers turn over pretty quickly. I know we had one description of the rapist removing his clothes but there wasn't a word about those clothes, was there?

 

[justthinkin]

Missizzy, if he is working with the elderly, I'm thinking he's making a note of ladies he will attack in the future, and not within a week or two, but maybe as late as six months from now so they have long forgotten him by the time he attacks. There were a couple of rapes or attempted rapes that were only a few days apart. He would not have had time to scope these women out on such short notice.

I wonder if he could be handling medical records, say a medical transcriptionist and indirectly learning of these women?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdDvrV2VQI0

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Is there another way to contact you besides the online postings? I am afraid of publishing too much info.

I should have an email link in my profile. If that fails for some reason or you can't find it write a moderator and tell them I said it is okay to give you my email address and link them to this post.

I also agree - write down everything gma tells you about events prior to the attack. Sometimes it is the tiny-est thing that is the link.

 

[justthinkin]

A construction worker is someone who is easily mobile, and most of the work in small towns would be remodeling jobs. Actually, a roofer could easily observe other residents near a home where he's working.

 

[Missizzy]

I don't want to be disrespectful here but I've lived the life of a contractor's wife for 37 years and could write a book on construction trade profiles!! Everyone keeps their eyes on roofers. Sad but true. The time frames don't work well for roofing IMO, roofing in Texas is usually not done in the middle of summer or January or February.

A roofer would never be alone either. He'd be with a crew. And if he didn't keep up with the other guys, he'd be fired within the hour. It's a tough field; typically high energy hard body guys with a high incidence of criminal background, partying, and drug use. That's not to say that there's some wonderful roofers out there but this is the stereotype. In all my 37 years, I've only met one roofer (out of maybe 200) who I would have allowed in my house. I just don't see this profile fitting the rapist. I don't think he likes to get dirty. Notice he "neatly" folded his clothes as he was removing them.

The medical transcriptionist is a possibility. We can't forget about the stolen items, though. I still think that's a huge clue. Unless, LE has misled us.

PS If I've offended anyone by my profile on roofers, I apologize. I'd love to hear of a guy who proves me wrong.

 

[justthinkin]

I'm thinking the initial motive is robbery, and the rapes are secondary to that. I would bet there's a string of robberies in small central Texas towns that preceded these rapes, but gosh, no one would've tied those together without the rapes and attempted rapes which came later. Just a guess on my part.

Missizzy,

It would make sense that almost any rapist would fold their clothes or at least place them in a neat pile so they would know where they are when they wnat to make their exit. They can't afford to shuck them all over the floor, and leave something behind that might identify them. Then again, this guy wasn't on any database prior to this string of rapes and robberies, and he's been very free with leaving his dna behind. He does seem a bit fastidious though. Maybe he doesn't like wrinkles.

Contracting work is something that anyone with some skills is apt to find work in small towns, and they can pick up and move onto another town easily, inquiring at a lumber yard for potential employers who might take them on.

Fastidious, deer heads, clocks...I wonder if he could be an antique dealer or purchaser. Might go door to door inquiring about purchasing antiques. Oh heck, maybe that idea is way out there.

A couple of these towns are really dinky, too small for a nursing home even, and likely no lumber yard. It would be good to know what businesses are in those very small towns, Seaton, and Zabickville. Doubt I spelled that last one correctly. Do we think this guy is just picking out towns he hasn't hit yet with the exception of those he's hit twice or is there some kind of business there he could be associated with? The smaller the town, the harder it is to be obscure. I lived in a town of 4,000, and believe me I knew when I saw a strange vehicle on my street that didn't belong there, and was one I hadn't seen in town either.

 

[concerndgdaughter]

Has anyone thought of garbage men? They probably hire from the right group of people and would be able to find out a lot through trash if they had access to it.

 

[Missizzy]

justthinkin--I agree with a lot of your possible theories but I strongly disagree that the initial motive is robbery. I don't see that as even an outside possibility. I think the only reason he scored the $10,000 or so in cash was that the poor woman offered it as a bribe not to rape her. He raped her anyway, IIRC.

I strongly believe the prior break-ins are to get a lay of the land, check for phones, surveillance, hearing aids, evidence of other residents, check the floor plan and to possibly intimidate. I read a comment a few months back which said that he'd used a toilet and not flushed it. That's classic for "organized rapists" from what I've read.

He goes in for the attack and takes a trophy. There's far easier ways to score money for drugs and forcing sex on an elderly lady is not every perp's cup of tea. He knows these women's routine and could easily (and does) break in and steal cash or valuables. He could probably break in while many of the ladies slept due to possible sleeping meds and hearing and vision deficits. He has easy access to any tangible things he wants. He just happens to want to rape.

No, IMO, he's exerting terror and control over a target group and he's got his game plan down to a precise science. JMO

 

[Missizzy]

concernd--I think we've brought that idea up but remember, he's moving around. I think there'd be a lot of suspicion on a dark skinned young man who's moved around to a number of small towns in Central Texas in the past year. I'm sure LE's closely looked at all the obvious possible perps--garbage men, mail carriers, newspaper delivery people, pharm techs, grocery baggers.

I'm still thinking it's something to do with the church--possibly through a data base or a techie guy who has access to records.

Has it ever come out whether or not any or all these women use Scott and White Medical Services? That was one of my first thoughts.

Concernd--Can you answer any questions at all? Two I've really pondered are whether there are pets in the home and the issue of church denomination. Any unusual service provided to the home in the last several months. A death of a spouse or live-in adult?

 

[concerndgdaughter]

Without saying too much Missizzy, I believe based on what you know that you are on the money. Now without DNA evidence it would be hard to know if this is the same guy or another guy with the same motive- like the Mississippi guy- a copy cat. I think that robbery is to support the expenses of the travel, the collectables are the prize and rape is the target. He just doesn't do it up front until he knows the lay of the land. In some ways this guy has a lot of knowledge but in other ways is not very intelligent.

 

[Ruflossn]

Has anyone thought of garbage men? They probably hire from the right group of people and would be able to find out a lot through trash if they had access to it.

I had wondered about a temporary agency.
In my area of the country, there are temporary staffing agencies that supply "help" to all kinds of jobs. Construction, secretarial etc.................

As for the garbage collectors, is there one company that supplies all the small towns in the area of the assaults? What about a recycling company? In my town, the garbage collecting and the recycling are done by two separate companies.

One last thought, what about cleaning crews? In medical practices, there is often a cleaning crew that will come in after hours and clean the office buildings. This would be an environment where he could review patients records and determine who was living alone, age etc...............

 

[concerndgdaughter]

Scott and White could be possible, denomination not. She is not Catholic. No maintenance work done on the house in the last year from people she did not know locally with a long relationship.

 

[Missizzy]

Concernd--Did you ever get permission to PM any of us? I'd be more than happy to share some of my ideas and private research.

 

[Ruflossn]

justthinkin--I agree with a lot of your possible theories but I strongly disagree that the initial motive is robbery. I don't see that as even an outside possibility. I think the only reason he scored the $10,000 or so in cash was that the poor woman offered it as a bribe not to rape her. He raped her anyway, IIRC.

I strongly believe the prior break-ins are to get a lay of the land, check for phones, surveillance, hearing aids, evidence of other residents, check the floor plan and to possibly intimidate. I read a comment a few months back which said that he'd used a toilet and not flushed it. That's classic for "organized rapists" from what I've read.

He goes in for the attack and takes a trophy. There's far easier ways to score money for drugs and forcing sex on an elderly lady is not every perp's cup of tea. He knows these women's routine and could easily (and does) break in and steal cash or valuables. He could probably break in while many of the ladies slept due to possible sleeping meds and hearing and vision deficits. He has easy access to any tangible things he wants. He just happens to want to rape.

No, IMO, he's exerting terror and control over a target group and he's got his game plan down to a precise science. JMO

I agree with most of this post.
Rapists are there to assault to rape.
Robbery is secondary motive.

The part I would disagree with is in referring to an "organized rapist". The category your referring to is actually called an "organized offender". There are differing types / classifications of rapists but organized (and disorganized) is not one of them. An organized offender is one that would most likely not leave obvious DNA. (As in using the bathroom and not flushing the evidence). An unorganized offender is one who would engage in this reckless type of behavior. However, this offender does have other types of organized traits. By not flushing the toilet, this leads me to believe he did it as an insult to LE. He was leaving DNA because he knows his DNA is not in CODIS. If he broke into the home and used the bathroom facilities, he could have used this tactic as a way of intimidating the potential assault victim. As always, this is just mo.

 

[concerndgdaughter]

The garbage angle is that maybe the same garbage service for all the same towns- get close to choose victims, then come back on weekends for surveillance. Any chance you guys could find out who does collection in the other towns? With towns these small, I would think there would be only one or two providers for the rural areas. Post office, Fedex- no b/c they know the people personally and they have been doing it a long time.

 

[concerndgdaughter]

Pm????