TX TX - Brandon Lawson, 26, San Angelo, 8 Aug 2013 - #3

[Bigmomma29]

She might be able to see them online?

I know on the I phones you can have a I cloud account and 2 accounts can be connected together and you can see each other's text messages.
I cloud I think is also connected through I tunes. ( not a tech savy person)
I know some you can get the I cloud messages. I messages if not turned off on I phone cause I kept getting my sons. Not a good deal for my 17 year old son. Lol

 

[Bigmomma29]

Oh welcome Karmin!!!!!!

 

[nannymo]

Okay, I was thinking while at my son's bus stop, if, let us say for discussion purpose only, BL for whatever reason is somewhere in the area deceased. If that happened the night/morning he went missing, what was the temp? What types of wild animals are out there besides the wild hogs/boars that would feed , scatter human remains? Insects? How long would it take for total decomp to occur in that area? What would be left besides scattered bones, would clothing be destroyed? Obviously it would be faded and any watches or jewelry would be dulled by the elements.

I know it is not a pretty subject, but if people are leaning towards BL being deceased out there, then this would be a good way to discuss what happens to human remains.

This is also not meant to be offensive at all .

I think there would at least be some scattered threads of clothing and bones. Hailey Dunn was missing for 2 years in similar conditions (but near water) and they found clothing and bones. Not much, but some.

 

[SavetheQueen]

So if one has an iphone and messages another iphone, can't LE subpoena the record of text messages?

On the HFBL page LL said she has a copy of all of BL's text from that night. I can only assume it was acquired via subpoena through LE.

:moo:

LE can get detailed copies of text messages. There are also apps available that back up text messages. For example, on my Android, I have an app that downloads all of my text messages to my Gmail account. But, no, LL would not have access to the contents of B's text messages via the phone bill or online. IF she had knowledge of the contents of his messages, it was because there was an app involved or his actual phone was in hand. And LE wouldn't have given her a copy of anything that they had obtained from the carrier.

*Unless specifically indicated, all opinions are my own. *

 

[Balor51]

I think there would at least be some scattered threads of clothing and bones. Hailey Dunn was missing for 2 years in similar conditions (but near water) and they found clothing and bones. Not much, but some.

That is true, so there could be something. Not everything goes back to the earth all at once. BL has been missing less than Hailey, so there could be more traces IF he is out there.

I am just at a totally loss for ideas. :banghead:

 

[SavetheQueen]

That is true, so there could be something. Not everything goes back to the earth all at once. BL has been missing less than Hailey, so there could be more traces IF he is out there.

I am just at a totally loss for ideas. :banghead:

Out here in the deserty climate, bones tend to get brittle, and stick-like. Soft tissues become leathery if left out in the open. But as RW stated, the buzzards will strip anything clean. Add to that the coyotes, foxes, feral dogs..... Not meaning to sound graphic, just stating how it is.

Also, with the land being open to hunters, hunters seem to be the ones who find the bodies. Hunters and joggers. Seems like something would have turned up.

*Unless specifically indicated, all opinions are my own. *

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I just don't know where he could be if he's deceased out there? I really don't think he could have gotten far in that time frame (def not 3 miles) and it seems they did several pretty thorough searches. Unless he was taken somewhere by vehicle and he meant 10 minutes up the road by car. That would be right about where Hwy 277 and Hwy 70 split past Bronte on the way to Abilene. I wonder how far Deputy Fox went north that night? Of course that would not match LL's ping at 1:19 am 3 miles away. There really aren't any other roads close to the truck location. He could have meant 10 miles south by vehicle but again that doesn't match LL's 3 mile ping at 1:19 am.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Out here in the deserty climate, bones tend to get brittle, and stick-like. Soft tissues become leathery if left out in the open. But as RW stated, the buzzards will strip anything clean. Add to that the coyotes, foxes, feral dogs..... Not meaning to sound graphic, just stating how it is.

Also, with the land being open to hunters, hunters seem to be the ones who find the bodies. Hunters and joggers. Seems like something would have turned up.

*Unless specifically indicated, all opinions are my own. *

And don't forget dog walkers! :floorlaugh:

 

[Stella888]

LE can get detailed copies of text messages. There are also apps available that back up text messages. For example, on my Android, I have an app that downloads all of my text messages to my Gmail account. But, no, LL would not have access to the contents of B's text messages via the phone bill or online. IF she had knowledge of the contents of his messages, it was because there was an app involved or his actual phone was in hand. And LE wouldn't have given her a copy of anything that they had obtained from the carrier.

*Unless specifically indicated, all opinions are my own. *

I think LE or the Ranger did give her the Verizon statement. Remember, this is how SHE found out BL had made the 911 call, many days after he had gone missing.

I also recall, that LE informed her of the 911 call after reviewing the 911 calls, but the dispatcher said it was inaudible.

Not sure which is fact. There are so many inconsistencies.

MOO

 

[SavetheQueen]

And don't forget dog walkers! :floorlaugh:

Them, too! So, I don't hunt, jog, or walk dogs. LOL!

*Unless specifically indicated, all opinions are my own. *

 

[nannymo]

IMO- they say that land owners gave them slack about it being the first day of hunting season, wouldn't you think a hunter would have seen something in the field? I'm not sure they realize that with the harsh comments they are making people are less likely to help. If you continue to bash me, I for one would not be so willing to help you the next time. MOO

I would also think the reason to not let anyone on your property during the first day of hunting season is it could be dangerous. People who pay to lease land for hunting might not know someone else is there looking for a missing person. I feel her concern was for their safety, not the interest of the hunters necessarily.

 

[Stella888]

And don't forget dog walkers! :floorlaugh:

I'm imagining someone walking their dog through rough terrain in the smoldering heat of summer, in Texas, through mesquite trees with thorns and very dense brush in the middle of nowhere on a very dark road with no street lights. :scared:

 

[SavetheQueen]

I just don't know where he could be if he's deceased out there? I really don't think he could have gotten far in that time frame (def not 3 miles) and it seems they did several pretty thorough searches. Unless he was taken somewhere by vehicle and he meant 10 minutes up the road by car. That would be right about where Hwy 277 and Hwy 70 split past Bronte on the way to Abilene. I wonder how far Deputy Fox went north that night? Of course that would not match LL's ping at 1:19 am 3 miles away. There really aren't any other roads close to the truck location. He could have meant 10 miles south by vehicle but again that doesn't match LL's 3 mile ping at 1:19 am.

What about abandoned wells? As in oil and gas wells. I work in the oilfield, and that thought has occurred to me. We had a case in my county where a man from New Mexico went missing. LE knew the general area, but it took years of searching, and specialized equipment to locate his remains finally. He was a victim of a homicide, and LE knew he had been dumped into an abandoned well hole. The holes are extremely deep and narrow. I have often wondered if B didn't stumble into one in the dark while he was out in the field. This part of Texas has oil and gas wells by the numbers.

*Unless specifically indicated, all opinions are my own. *

 

[Balor51]

Out here in the deserty climate, bones tend to get brittle, and stick-like. Soft tissues become leathery if left out in the open. But as RW stated, the buzzards will strip anything clean. Add to that the coyotes, foxes, feral dogs..... Not meaning to sound graphic, just stating how it is.

Also, with the land being open to hunters, hunters seem to be the ones who find the bodies. Hunters and joggers. Seems like something would have turned up.

*Unless specifically indicated, all opinions are my own. *

Graphic is my middle name :floorlaugh:

But in all seriousness, I do think he would have been found by now if he is out there. I think by focusing on just that area, people tend to get tunnel vision and don't think in the bigger picture. He could have gotten picked up, hitched a ride etc.. But I do think that area has been searched pretty well by all accounts. its MOO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I'm imagining someone walking their dog through rough terrain in the smoldering heat of summer, in Texas, through mesquite trees with thorns and very dense brush in the middle of nowhere on a very dark road with no street lights. :scared:

Yep that would be me! :floorlaugh:

 

[SavetheQueen]

I'm imagining someone walking their dog through rough terrain in the smoldering heat of summer, in Texas, through mesquite trees with thorns and very dense brush in the middle of nowhere on a very dark road with no street lights. :scared:

Where else would we walk our dogs out here? And you forgot the prickly pear, sage brush, and cactus. And the rattle snakes. ~~~~~~~>

*Unless specifically indicated, all opinions are my own. *

 

[Balor51]

Them, too! So, I don't hunt, jog, or walk dogs. LOL!

*Unless specifically indicated, all opinions are my own. *

If I am jogging you can bet your butt I am being chased by a knife wielding killer! :floorlaugh::scared:

I do not jog or run. I walk swiftly and that is if I am chasing my dog..:floorlaugh:

 

[Ranch Wife]

I would also think the reason to not let anyone on your property during the first day of hunting season is it could be dangerous. People who pay to lease land for hunting might not know someone else is there looking for a missing person. I feel her concern was for their safety, not the interest of the hunters necessarily.

We don't lease our land to hunters, but we still stay pretty much inside on opening day and weekends during the season. There are some awesome hunters who come to our county to hunt and then there are others. Unfortunately, the bullets travel just as far for the "others" as they do the good hunters. A couple of years ago on a weekday, WM rode a colt down to our well. He got off and was checking to make sure everything was okay with the equipment when a bullet ricoqueted off the cement tank beside him. Here in a minute, some "good old boys" rode up on a 4-wheeler. They were quite surprised to find an angry cowboy explaining how they were fixing to meet one of his deputies. Not only were they unsafe hunters, they were poachers!

I know in other states there is a lot of public land that ranchers can lease and the public still has access to for hiking, etc. It's not like that in Texas. The vast majority of our land is privately owned and off limits to anyone to whom the owners don't grant access. There won't be joggers or people walking their dogs in the areas BL went missing.

I know our area and way of life must be difficult to comprehend for anyone living in large cities, especially those out of state.

 

[Stella888]

Where else would we walk our dogs out here? And you forgot the prickly pear, sage brush, and cactus. And the rattle snakes. ~~~~~~~>

*Unless specifically indicated, all opinions are my own. *

Oh yeah the rattle scary snakes. :desert: :snake:

 

[Ranch Wife]

What about abandoned wells? As in oil and gas wells. I work in the oilfield, and that thought has occurred to me. We had a case in my county where a man from New Mexico went missing. LE knew the general area, but it took years of searching, and specialized equipment to locate his remains finally. He was a victim of a homicide, and LE knew he had been dumped into an abandoned well hole. The holes are extremely deep and narrow. I have often wondered if B didn't stumble into one in the dark while he was out in the field. This part of Texas has oil and gas wells by the numbers.

*Unless specifically indicated, all opinions are my own. *

I wish we were as prolific with oil as our neighbors to the west. There is oil in Coke County, just not within several miles of BL's vehicle. You would have to go across the river and west to get to one little field. The next nearest field is west, southwest of that location about 7 miles.