TX TX - Brandon Lawson, 26, San Angelo, 8 Aug 2013 - #4

[folieadeuxnola]

Hi newbie here read through the threads and listened to the call

Something that keeps poking my brain ..... BL refers to "we" (at least that is what I hear) is it possible BL had someone else in the truck with him that night when he ran out of gas. Possibly picked someone up after he left the house? Could this person have a nickname... Either is or close to ..."(cipher) pushed them over". Maybe cipher was flagging traffic over as that the truck was partially blocking the roadway. Could it be a possible that BL wasnt talking to them because it was someone he knew and had a beef with.....or possibly had an altercation with previously ? As far as I have read it has not been confirmed whom BL was with earlier that evening .... The moment of "yes" to me it sounds like he was gasping for breath and it just sounded like yes .as that BL was gasping for the next breath.. He is in panic mode.... Your brain is trying to process and think at the same time and becomes jumbled..

Has anyone checkedr the crime reports on this road prior to and after.?

401k check if yiu are separating from a company you can either cash out or roll the money over to an Ira for better control or move it to the new employers plan. Do not find anything unusual know people whom left their job before and cashed out if they were fully vested. The reason BL was cashing out is a question and it could be all personal reasons aka a lawyer new car buy a house, did he owe someone ?

The last call from what i understAnd was verbal and not by text message....

Abilene on both sides of the road ... Were whom he ran into that night on both sides of the road ... BL just shorted the statement a bit wanting to say so much so much ... "Going towards abilene (were /there) both sides of the road

 

[folieadeuxnola]

For some reason this version of the file seems to be a bit more clear to hear .... each time I listen I pick something else up or discount
something I once thought.

https://soundcloud.com/fromthecouv/brandon-lawson-911-call-filtered


BTW ..... QueenBea13 have read many of your posts feel the same as you in many.

 

[TooCurious]

For some reason this version of the file seems to be a bit more clear to hear .... each time I listen I pick something else up or discount
something I once thought.

https://soundcloud.com/fromthecouv/brandon-lawson-911-call-filtered


BTW ..... QueenBea13 have read many of your posts feel the same as you in many.

Thanks, I agree it is most clear. I hear he got chased into the woods. Where are the woods in relation to where his truck was found?
When asked about an ambulance I hear "yeah", then he interrupts himself with a more emphatic No.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

Looking at google maps the only area I see at this point are the wooded areas at the edge of the colorado river. The left side of hwy 277 there are fields next to a heavily wooded right at the river Not just shrub bushes you see in most of the area.

Looking for the cellphone ping map there was LE area map however unsure if there is a cellphone area map from the PI.
Supposedly the PI's ping location is more actual


***a cypher pushed them over .... Is seriously at me ... What or whom is a cipher and whom did they push over... Have several thoughts running around in my head ... This statement is a hard clue as to what took place. Running different terms of the word from oilfield jargon to the urban Dictonary... Even scrambling the letters around a bit

 

[folieadeuxnola]

Either Queen or criminaljustice mentioned the area north of bronte .... Whether BL was 10 miles or 10 mins up the road the y Split is almost dead center of the miles and timing if traveling by Car. It would be a plausiable search area.....:thinking:
Hwy 277 is on both sides of the road literally

 

[Stella888]

Could he be saying "striper"? In a fB post by LL, she had wanted to speak with "ST" who striped parking lots for a living and was the brother of BL's gf, not his "wife" LL (common law). I too agree with QueenBea13 posts, with the exception that I believe BL is very much alive and well living near Burleson. BL had missed several court dates prior to going missing and had missed his last court date, if I remember correctly, the week prior. He was facing prison time as a felon. I do believe he was hallucinating in the 911 call and his brother KL, his gf and the friend that was with them is the one who was chasing BL into the woods. I think after the police left the area, BL was taken to Fort Worth where his family was and then headed to Oklahoma where his aunt lived.

This is just my thoughts and opinion after doing much research. If BL had come forward and no longer missing, he had everything to lose and possibly could face a long prison sentence. He had no intention of going to any of his court proceedings before this night, so why come forward now? Wouldn't he be arrested? Wasn't a warrant issued the week before his disappearance?


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[folieadeuxnola]

Well anything is possible .... But I'm not buying into that theory .. How or where did you acquire this information..?
LE or MSM..... Havent come across much MSM other than a warrant on his legal matters

Could he be saying "striper"? In a fB post by LL, she had wanted to speak with "ST" who striped parking lots for a living and was the brother of BL's gf, not his "wife" LL (common law). I too agree with QueenBea13 posts, with the exception that I believe BL is very much alive and well living near Burleson. BL had missed several court dates prior to going missing and had missed his last court date, if I remember correctly, the week prior. He was facing prison time as a felon. I do believe he was hallucinating in the 911 call and his brother KL, his gf and the friend that was with them is the one who was chasing BL into the woods. I think after the police left the area, BL was taken to Fort Worth where his family was and then headed to Oklahoma where his aunt lived.

This is just my thoughts and opinion after doing much research. If BL had come forward and no longer missing, he had everything to lose and possibly could face a long prison sentence. He had no intention of going to any of his court proceedings before this night, so why come forward now? Wouldn't he be arrested? Wasn't a warrant issued the week before his disappearance?


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[Stella888]

Sorry, forgot to add the link from MSM.

http://www.cleburnetimesreview.com/...cle_947d2b06-1dd4-5b2c-9ee9-fd942627190c.html

BL was indicted on Sept. 27, 2012. A judicial record search will give you the exact dates he failed to appear in court and a week before he disappeared, a warrant was issued for his arrest for the indictment in Cleburn.

To do a judicial search of records you will have to register to search the records.


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[QueenBea13]

Either Queen or criminaljustice mentioned the area north of bronte .... Whether BL was 10 miles or 10 mins up the road the y Split is almost dead center of the miles and timing if traveling by Car. It would be a plausiable search area.....:thinking:
Hwy 277 is on both sides of the road literally

That's the way I figured it too!
Could the "cypher" or "cipher" be "Christopher"? Maybe the call cut in/out while he was saying it?
That's the only name I can think of with "pher" at the end.

Thanks for the shout out, myself & a few others have researched & searched, not physically, & spent many hours trying to help & figure this out!!


The thoughts & opinions stated above are that, MY random thoughts & opinions.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

Thank you queenbea .... Last night listened to the call again

Something came to mind ..... Back when i had friends in the country ... There was a piece of farm/heavy equipment that was
Common a "scraper" it was used for various purposes one is to scrape the earth to make or repair or resurface dirt roads on the farm.
Googled farms and land for sale in bronte .... Found where Some of the lands included Scrapers with the for sale package ... One camp noted to just have resurfaced roads ..
Could it have been a "A scraper pushed the guys over" ..... Did BL accidently run into person (s) on the road that were being chased by someone else from one of the lands close by ... A mere at the wrong place at the wrong time

The 1st field you come to is @ live oak believe the walking distance is 10 mins to the intersection

BL ran into the woods then into the field ... assume whatever incident started it was at the time he placed the last call to LL no response the situation became worse BL then called 911.. He was scared and felt danger ... The warrant at that point in his head was null and void .. Calling 911 would be an immediate response from someone for help ... Not waiting for LL or KL to respond or answer ..

That's the way I figured it too!
Could the "cypher" or "cipher" be "Christopher"? Maybe the call cut in/out while he was saying it?
That's the only name I can think of with "pher" at the end.

Thanks for the shout out, myself & a few others have researched & searched, not physically, & spent many hours trying to help & figure this out!!


The thoughts & opinions stated above are that, MY random thoughts & opinions.

 

[nannymo]

For some reason this version of the file seems to be a bit more clear to hear .... each time I listen I pick something else up or discount
something I once thought.

https://soundcloud.com/fromthecouv/brandon-lawson-911-call-filtered


BTW ..... QueenBea13 have read many of your posts feel the same as you in many.

This is by far the clearest version I have heard. This is so clear to me....I am from this area...born and raised in Abilene. I understand his dialect.... I know this area very well because I travel that road all the time to visit family.

There are 3 people on the 911 tape. The 911 operator, BL and the first guy.
Here is my opinion of this version. My opinion is BBM.

9-2013 050 and 38 seconds
911: 911 emergency
BL: Yes, I'm in the middle of a field. In fact we just pushed some guys over, right here going towards Abilene on both sides. We indicates BL either had another person in the truck with him or was talking to a second person who stopped for whatever reason and some guys to me is 2 or more. So we have at least 4 people here now! On both sides going towards Abilene tells me there are at least 2 maybe 3 cars on both sides of the road headed North towards Abilene)
BL: My truck ran out of gas. There’s one car here and a guy’s (guy is) chasing me in the woods. Please hurry! There's one car here (did the other car leave?) a guy is chasing me is slurred with a guys chasing me
911: Okay, now run that by me one more…
BL: And when I was talking to em I totally like ran into em I don't think he literally ran into them, I think he met them there. Like I ran into a friend at the store
911: Oh, you ran into em, okay.
BL: Yeah-I got the first guy He has THE FIRST GUY and THE SECOND GUY is chasing him.
911: Do you need an ambulance?
1st Guy: Yes. (totally out of breath or BL is sitting on his chest)
BL: No, I need the cops. In a much clearer and distinct voice than The First Guy
911: Okay. Is anybody hurt? Hello? Hello? Hello?

I cannot even tell where ya'll are hearing cipher? Sorry...:thinking::moo:

 

[QueenBea13]

Thank you queenbea .... Last night listened to the call again

Something came to mind ..... Back when i had friends in the country ... There was a piece of farm/heavy equipment that was
Common a "scraper" it was used for various purposes one is to scrape the earth to make or repair or resurface dirt roads on the farm.
Googled farms and land for sale in bronte .... Found where Some of the lands included Scrapers with the for sale package ... One camp noted to just have resurfaced roads ..
Could it have been a "A scraper pushed the guys over" ..... Did BL accidently run into person (s) on the road that were being chased by someone else from one of the lands close by ... A mere at the wrong place at the wrong time

The 1st field you come to is @ live oak believe the walking distance is 10 mins to the intersection

BL ran into the woods then into the field ... assume whatever incident started it was at the time he placed the last call to LL no response the situation became worse BL then called 911.. He was scared and felt danger ... The warrant at that point in his head was null and void .. Calling 911 would be an immediate response from someone for help ... Not waiting for LL or KL to respond or answer ..

My only issue with this scenario is if B was in trouble or feared something or someone why didn't he mention it to his brother KL or brother's gf at the time AK when he talked/texted to them AFTER he made the 911 call?
I still believe we aren't hearing the entire 911 call, how many times have you ever heard or even seen on TV that a 911 operator doesn't your name & or your location? This version of the 911 call didn't have that included, so I think there is more to it.


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[folieadeuxnola]

Has the FBI analyzed the call ? Seen it was commented in thread # 2 or # 3 that the Klein firm was to investigate the case.
Did the investigation occur, if so what were their results

 

[QueenBea13]

Has the FBI analyzed the call ? Seen it was commented in thread # 2 or # 3 that the Klein firm was to investigate the case.
Did the investigation occur, if so what were their results

I don't believe Klein was ever involved with BL's case. Right before they took on the Oklahoma case they inquired about BL but nothing else was mentioned.
And as far as I know, no the call hasn't been analyzed by FBI. But I could be wrong.


The thoughts & opinions stated above are that, MY random thoughts & opinions.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

Agree with your point in regards to BL not informing KL AK of the 911 call its a tad hinkey .... Believe BL was shooting out short bursts of messages/calls that to him made sense at the time however leaves everyone else baffled.


Queen thank you for the note on Klein maybe they were brought up as a potential candidate for the 2nd or 3rd PI service. Have heard very good things about them if I was raising money for a PI that is whom I would go with.

The air searches at 1st did not make a lot of sense.. however probable cause would be that some of the landowners would not allow a ground search. With so much time that has passed do not see where any evidence would be found from the air it would have to be on the ground ...

As many there is somethings very plausible to indicate BL was on the run .... swayed that way myself however at the end of the day believe he is deceased.

Rolling through that 1st word from BL..... there is also a slang term for a low rider car or Buick called "scaper".

Have thought many times that BL hitched a ride with some drug traffickers ... may or may not have known them
BL hitches a ride to town ... the people whom he was with had a delivery or was in route to make a delivery however was
intercepted by a "sniper" that pushed them over. Mexican drug cartel is no one to play we see it on the news frequently.

There was a drug bust in Oct 2013 on Hwy 277 in the San Angelo area, there were explosives, guns, drugs, ammo
IMO these guys were serious ... just rambling ideas in my head ...

There is also a slang term for a low rider car "scraper" was looking through the

http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/scraper

Here is another drug bust in San Angelo the name of the associated gang Nazi Lowriders 2 were arrested for
Manuf/delivery of controlled substance.

http://dps.texas.gov/director_staff/media_and_communications/2015/txGangThreatAssessment.pdf

Just thinking through various scenarios in my head .... these are mere potentials thoughts

And I hope I can post the documents, so always unsure what is good and what is banned on here

My only issue with this scenario is if B was in trouble or feared something or someone why didn't he mention it to his brother KL or brother's gf at the time AK when he talked/texted to them AFTER he made the 911 call?
I still believe we aren't hearing the entire 911 call, how many times have you ever heard or even seen on TV that a 911 operator doesn't your name & or your location? This version of the 911 call didn't have that included, so I think there is more to it.


The thoughts & opinions stated above are that, MY random thoughts & opinions.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

Fast and fright mode ... Agree with your ImO

In my opinion he may not have always called them troopers but in a panic mode he may have said it from simply seeing it on the cruiser. People under stress, from my experience don't always follow their own norm including speech. But if it was in his line of sight at the time of his 911 call, he may have used that description rather that was his normal habit of speech or not. I have seen this happen on occasion simply because the mind was moving so fast in fright mode. Again, this is only my opinion.


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[folieadeuxnola]

the rest area would be a perfect pullout spot.....

If a "Cartel" was involved...which totally has credibility in this case..because Brandon says he ran into someone that night, we are fairly certain it is not literally but like 'he came across them' and we are fairly certain it happened RIGHT WHERE HIS TRUCK WAS, and it involved at least two people because he says I totally ran into THEM.
Otherwise he would have no need to call 911. He knew his brother was on the way, whether with or without gas or money. His brother would have picked him up and taken him to his house or Brandon's house. I also believe totally in the corrupt LE there...as again, my belief, in that 911 call Brandon is referring to a trooper who is interacting with another vehicle/persons that night, in that area. It would be nothing for anyone to say ''meet me at the roadside pullout" anyone passing would think nothing of anyone sitting there, LE included.
It still doesn't answer some of the burning questions. And I still would love to hear anything from Kyle as he probably knows more than he can or will say...
I also wonder would a cartel take him far away and 'dispose' of him? Or would they leave him where they 'found' him? I still believe he is in that area just 'hidden'.
Thank you for not only sharing Curious, but for asking your friend for his valuable insights!

 

[folieadeuxnola]

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Brandon Where Are You ...

 

[BlakeTyner]

Hi all--first time poster here. I stumbled across the case via a Youtube "Top 5" list (of creepy unexplained phone calls) and my wife and I became a bit obsessed about it.

I believe I read most of the posts on all of these threads, though it is possible that I missed something, so bear with me a bit.

One thing I was curious about that I never saw mentioned was how bright the moon was on the night of Brandon's disappearance. There was a crescent moon that night, meaning only about 8% of the moon's light was visible. This would be the 2nd-darkest kind of night, right behind a new moon. So if Brandon were 'in a field' or 'in the woods,' absent his phone light and/or a possible flashlight, it would have been very, very dark. I'm skeptical that Brandon was able to cover very much distance at all under those conditions without following the highway itself.

I'm also unconvinced that his cell pings mean anything significant. Although that data has been used in criminal cases (notably Adnan Sayad) there have recently been articles and research posted about how, absent GPS or multiple-tower triangulation, a single ping doesn't mean much in terms of actual location. Example: at my house, if I put my cell phone on my bed, it will connect to an LTE tower about 6 miles south; however, if my phone is on my computer desk in the same room, it connects to a 3G tower about 3 miles to the north. Physically, I'm in the same location--my bedroom--but if you were to just go by cell pings, it would appear that I traveled from my hometown to the next community over. Brandon's cell may not have even connected to the cell tower that was physically closest to him--if he had line of sight to another, which had stronger signal, then that could explain the "river ping." I'm fairly confident that Brandon did NOT make it to the river under his own power.

Another thing I find curious: the 'missing' collage available at the family's website seemingly contradicts itself in several ways.
1) The GPS lat/long coordinates on the 'poster' will place a marker north of the rest stop, but on the west side of the road--opposite Brandon's direction of travel.
2) The text on the poster indicates that the truck was found "slightly north" of the rest stop; however, the images from Google Maps/Street View are of an area a quarter block or so south of the rest stop. You can see the rest stop itself ahead and on the left (indicating the camera is facing north) and the "left side of road" and "right side of road" images are also from that spot--south of the rest stop. Whoever created the poster went out of their way to get these street view images and include them--so my question is, why THAT location, if the truck was found further north, past the rest stop?

If the truck were actually found in the location shown on the poster, then to me it would also help explain the haphazard way Brandon's truck was parked: when he coasted off the road, he noticed something or someone up ahead at the rest stop and parked his truck so that his headlights would illuminate it. I suppose that could be the explanation anyway, even if the truck were truly parked north of the rest stop, but that pullout strikes me as the location of whatever shady business Brandon stumbled onto. Perhaps he saw a car parked there (the 911 call is pretty clear on his "there's one car here" statement.)

It would also explain why he left the truck. At this point, he's already called his brother and asked him to bring some gas to him. There's no reason in the world for Brandon to then leave his truck and start walking in any direction--he'd be waiting in the truck for his brother to arrive with the gas. Or, at the very least, if neither of them had gas money, he'd stay with the truck and wait for his brother to pick him up. My theory is that after he calls his brother, he decides to investigate whatever he sees or hears up ahead. He's not planning to go very far, so he leaves the truck unlocked. He never makes it back.

I keep coming back to the rest stop, but if you notice, there are a lot of tire tracks and ruts on the east side of the road (opposite the picnic area.) My intuition is that explains what Brandon meant by "on both sides." Cars and trucks park/pull over at the rest stop on both sides of the road. The only other things that would make sense for that explanation would be several pipeline right-of-ways that extend "on both sides" off the road, as well as a fairly obvious culvert that crosses under the road a little ways north of the rest stop.

Finally, regarding the 911 audio: I downloaded the MP3 and messed with it in Audacity--slowing the call down, speeding it up, and listening to selected parts over and over again. I'm not really able to add anything to the transcription--it's too garbled at many points--but I don't think he's saying "State trooper" and I don't think he ran the words together, nor does it seem like the tape was edited here. Whatever the word is that sounds like "Staper," I can't make it out. "Pushed some guys over" seems clearer, and to me translates more to a sentiment of perhaps trying to help what Brandon thought was a stranded motorist (the car that he indicates is 'here' in the call.) In other words, maybe they told Brandon that their car died and needed to be "pushed over" to the shoulder. Ted Bundy used a similar technique--asking victims to help him load books into his car.

Anyway--outside the transcription issue is the fact that there definitely is another voice on the recording. Y'all have discussed the strange way Brandon answers "yes..no I need the cops" during the call, with the suggestion that the "yes" comes from a different person. I think that is likely. But there's a better example.

Just before Brandon says what sounds like "That's the first guy," there is a definite voice, further from the phone. I boosted the gain and put that part of the audio on a loop, and it sounds to me like this voice is in the middle of saying "We'll get..." before Brandon's voice, much louder, says "That's the first guy."

Unfortunately, this doesn't mean that there was another person present with Brandon. Since we're listening to a copy of a copy (and we know that a 3rd party audio tech whisper is present on the tape) it could be simply background conversation from either when the police re-recorded the call for Brandon's girlfriend, or background conversation when she herself recorded the recording. The only way to confirm would be to have a 1st-generation copy of the actual call.

At any rate--figured y'all might appreciate a fresh set of eyes and ears. My conclusion is that Brandon walked into something nefarious, ran into the brush and made the 911 call, the calls to his brother's girlfriend, and then was found. My guess is he was taken either at gunpoint or unconscious, put in the perp's vehicle, and driven out of the area before the cops and the brother showed up at the truck. I doubt he's alive.

 

[nannymo]

Well said Blake. Welcome to Brandon's thread.