TX TX - Brandon Lawson, 26, San Angelo, 8 Aug 2013 - #4

[Karmin]

The newspaper wife has a right to say what she wants, and if I recall she was posting facts, got yelled at by family , she removed the posts only to be found on the HFBL page via an admin. So can't blame newspaper for doing their job. Who cares who knows facts... Lay them all out there for everyone to see and something will stand out to a certain person. Of show evidence and people will feel heat and walk or maybe confide in someone. Putting the 911 call out again is like beating a dead horse. And I will tell you this story intrigued me in the beginning because of the lies and ever changing time lines. I figured some one would crash and tell who.
It isn't anywhere closer than it was the day he went missing. I will follow very minimal because there are so many other families in the same predicament who are asking for help, who will speak with news, who will talk to the public, give updates! Brandon's story isn't over in real life, but slowly dimming because people think they Are above giving any info that could help in his case, any leads? The land doesn't hold the answers.. It was hunted last year and this and nothing. Time to step out of the box make things public and ask questions. Imo


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[Criminal Justice mom]

I agree. I think that people, not the land, hold the key to what happened to Brandon.
Just my opinions!

 

[rascal32]

The 911 call is the key to this. Putting it out is not "beating a dead horse". People complain that family doesn't post anything, then complain when they do. You want the family to give you answers that they don't have. You complain about time lines that are not that far off. These people were going through a traumatic event. You think they should be able to give an exact time line?? I couldn't give u an exact time line of my day today. The 911 call might not give us the answers we need to find Brandon but it does tell us one important fact, he was not being chased by family. He says "some guys". There is nothing to indicate he knew who was after him. I think some people want it to be the fault of specific people and can't look at anything else. You can't say the land doesn't hold the answers. There is no way every inch of that land has been searched . He may not be there but he may be there. We don't know. "Beating a dead horse" would be harping continuously for people to explain things they don't know.
More searches need to be done properly by professionals. Share his missing posters on your social media sites. Send his story to local news stations and maybe one day someone will pick this story up.
One of the biggest misconceptions is that Brandon hide from the officer. According to LL (posted on HFBL) KL just thought this is what happened at the time. He did not know Brandon had called 911 asking for help. Neither did the officer. But this is what was reported in the local " news paper" and this has hurt the case and attempts at getting other news outlets to cover the story.


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[Karmin]

Do you NOT remember when they did a media blitz and when people cussed out the reporters and station because they wouldn't jump on the story right away? People get its a traumatic event but after the spectacle people made on Dateline and other Facebook pages because they don't do missing person cases why would they offer to help.
As for the misconception, no one knows what happened, if he was hiding or not. The case is going cold and people are moving on. It's sad because Brandon deserves to be found.


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[Balor51]

Bumping for Brandon.


I haven't been on this thread for a while due to illness. But everyday I pray Brandon is found. At this point, my gut feeling is he won't be found. So many things were not done, or handled properly. This case is not how missing person cases are normally handled. I think for the most part everyone wants to Brandon found and wants to help. Sometimes hard questions have to be asked, all possible scenarios looked at and discussed. I think one reason that people tend to look at Brandon girlfriend, is that in lot of cases the significant other has had something to do with what happened. It's not meant to be mean, but to sort through and clear all possible angles. Sadly, what it may take is Brandon's family to get out in front of the news cameras. His dad & mom and grandparents. I think that seeing the grief and sadness would move people to help and really keep it in the public eye.

Where are you Brandon??

 

[Criminal Justice mom]

The 911 call is the key to this. Putting it out is not "beating a dead horse". People complain that family doesn't post anything, then complain when they do. You want the family to give you answers that they don't have. You complain about time lines that are not that far off. These people were going through a traumatic event. You think they should be able to give an exact time line?? I couldn't give u an exact time line of my day today. The 911 call might not give us the answers we need to find Brandon but it does tell us one important fact, he was not being chased by family. He says "some guys". There is nothing to indicate he knew who was after him. I think some people want it to be the fault of specific people and can't look at anything else. You can't say the land doesn't hold the answers. There is no way every inch of that land has been searched . He may not be there but he may be there. We don't know. "Beating a dead horse" would be harping continuously for people to explain things they don't know.
More searches need to be done properly by professionals. Share his missing posters on your social media sites. Send his story to local news stations and maybe one day someone will pick this story up.
One of the biggest misconceptions is that Brandon hide from the officer. According to LL (posted on HFBL) KL just thought this is what happened at the time. He did not know Brandon had called 911 asking for help. Neither did the officer. But this is what was reported in the local " news paper" and this has hurt the case and attempts at getting other news outlets to cover the story.


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I think that LE knows what's on the 911 tape. I don't think "we" can or will ever decider whats on it because it's not the actual call. I think it was altered by LE before being released to his family for VOICE RECOGNITION.

 

[mlmrock]

Bumping for Brandon :bump:

 

[Occams Razor]

Hi all! This case was so interesting it inspired me to sign up here to discuss it. :fence:

I have some questions I haven't seen answered anywhere yet, though I know there may not be any satisfactory answers. Here goes:

1.) Do we know what the fight was about between LL and Brandon the night of his disappearance? Or if there was any physical violence involved? Was he already bleeding when he left the house? I think these details this would give a good insight into his mindset that night. Sounds like the fight was pretty bad if Kyle went to "check on" LL afterward.

2.) Do we know what Brandon's prior legal troubles were for specifically? I've heard "drugs" but do we know which drugs? (Meth is huge in TX and surrounding states, but I don't want to assume anything). If meth, was it for possession, distribution or manufacturing?

3.) Who ended the 9-11 call, or was it dropped due to poor reception?

I feel that, either the 9-11 call was edited to heck OR Brandon was not in his right mind when he made it. Hardly anything he says makes sense besides "I'm in a field" and "my truck ran out of gas". I think the local police bungled the case severely, not on purpose but because that's just how rural cop forces operate. As the saying goes, "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity".

Upon first listen, I felt that B was in shock from head injury or blood loss when he made the call, but there's also the possibility that he was intoxicated and in a psychotic state. People on meth often talk very fast and have open-eye hallucinations that are indistinguishable from reality. Perhaps he was hit by a car while trying to flag down help and sustained serious injuries. Either way, I feel that the nonsensical nature of the call suggests that most of what he was describing was imagined.

If he was murdered, I believe it was someone he knew. The chances of "running into" a killer on a random highway are pretty slim. MOO, of course

 

[Karmin]

Hi all! This case was so interesting it inspired me to sign up here to discuss it. :fence:

I have some questions I haven't seen answered anywhere yet, though I know there may not be any satisfactory answers. Here goes:

1.) Do we know what the fight was about between LL and Brandon the night of his disappearance? Or if there was any physical violence involved? Was he already bleeding when he left the house? I think these details this would give a good insight into his mindset that night. Sounds like the fight was pretty bad if Kyle went to "check on" LL afterward.

2.) Do we know what Brandon's prior legal troubles were for specifically? I've heard "drugs" but do we know which drugs? (Meth is huge in TX and surrounding states, but I don't want to assume anything). If meth, was it for possession, distribution or manufacturing?

3.) Who ended the 9-11 call, or was it dropped due to poor reception?

I feel that, either the 9-11 call was edited to heck OR Brandon was not in his right mind when he made it. Hardly anything he says makes sense besides "I'm in a field" and "my truck ran out of gas". I think the local police bungled the case severely, not on purpose but because that's just how rural cop forces operate. As the saying goes, "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity".

Upon first listen, I felt that B was in shock from head injury or blood loss when he made the call, but there's also the possibility that he was intoxicated and in a psychotic state. People on meth often talk very fast and have open-eye hallucinations that are indistinguishable from reality. Perhaps he was hit by a car while trying to flag down help and sustained serious injuries. Either way, I feel that the nonsensical nature of the call suggests that most of what he was describing was imagined.

If he was murdered, I believe it was someone he knew. The chances of "running into" a killer on a random highway are pretty slim. MOO, of course

As for his charges you can pull them up online. They will tell you and it will also tell you if he jumped bail or not. I don't know if we can list the site you can find them on, on this page. I don't want to break any rules. It is however public record.


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[Criminal Justice mom]

I read in earlier threads that him and his gf were fighting about him using again, a relapse. It's never been said how physical or not their fight was, although I agree it had to be pretty severe since Brandon's father sent KL to check on LL. As for the 911 call, I think it's clear he is under the influence of something, but don't think that's why it's difficult to tell what he is saying. I think that like in many cases LE has altered parts of the call to protect the investigation. It was only released to his parents for voice recognition not to figure out what he says. I also dont think that he was victim of a random crime.

 

[Occams Razor]

^ Yikes.

If he was using again, that opens up so many possibilities as to what could've happened that night. A drug deal gone bad...being harmed while attempting to steal anhydrous (ingredient used in meth manufacture), etc. I've known farmers to shoot at people for trying to steal anhydrous ammonia from their property, though this probably isn't what B was doing that night. There are just so many strange, erratic behaviors associated with use of this particular substance...assuming he was using it at all. (I still haven't confirmed this tidbit myself). I've seen a man kill his father by driving him off a cliff in a meth-induced rage, so anything is possible.

I also find it weird that B would only tell his brother he was "bleeding" but not mention what caused the injury. It's omissions like this that makes me think we're not getting the whole story.

MOO

 

[2Hope4]

The way I see it, why not release the entire call? We're not getting any further with this case, and neither is the police. "IF" the police state he was wanted man, and they feel he fled...well then... isn't he still and wanted man? Wouldn't that make the police want to find him even more??

No I don't think we've ever gotten the entire story about Brandon either. But I don't his gf/wife is the only one holding back info. LE is as well, and to solve this case, they need to use the public!!

JMO!

 

[nannymo]

^ Yikes.

If he was using again, that opens up so many possibilities as to what could've happened that night. A drug deal gone bad...being harmed while attempting to steal anhydrous (ingredient used in meth manufacture), etc. I've known farmers to shoot at people for trying to steal anhydrous ammonia from their property, though this probably isn't what B was doing that night. There are just so many strange, erratic behaviors associated with use of this particular substance...assuming he was using it at all. (I still haven't confirmed this tidbit myself). I've seen a man kill his father by driving him off a cliff in a meth-induced rage, so anything is possible.

I also find it weird that B would only tell his brother he was "bleeding" but not mention what caused the injury. It's omissions like this that makes me think we're not getting the whole story.

MOO

You bring up a very valid point. Many people have posted questions about the lack of information released between Brandon, his brother and the gf. Why did BL not tell them he had called 911? Obviously he didn't tell because they didn't find out for several days when they checked his phone records.

If he told 911 he was in trouble and needed the cops why not tell his brother?

It is my opinion BL was going to Bronte for a drug deal, ran out of gas and was harmed by whoever he was going to meet.

 

[nannymo]

Something just came to mind.....on the 911 call I firmly believe I hear another voice answer yes when asked if BL needs an ambulance. If there was another person there that night who felt he needed an ambulance, maybe he went to the ER in San Angelo for treatment after leaving the area. I wish LE would check ER records for the next few days to see if someone was there with a stab wound or was in a fight or the like.

So many still unanswered questions.

 

[Spiritecho]

Something just came to mind.....on the 911 call I firmly believe I hear another voice answer yes when asked if BL needs an ambulance. If there was another person there that night who felt he needed an ambulance, maybe he went to the ER in San Angelo for treatment after leaving the area. I wish LE would check ER records for the next few days to see if someone was there with a stab wound or was in a fight or the like.

So many still unanswered questions.

I agree! It also leads to the question... K got the gas cans, knowing he had no $ to fill em, he and the gf headed out there...but then it is stated...later that he, the gf and another friend(we have not had this question ever answered, as it is viewed as not relevant) called and called for Brandon...is this the guy that was with Brandon that night, he was close to the truck? Hopped in with K..but Brandon chose to leave the area of the truck and 'run'? Another question that has been circling in my head....Brandon had his wallet, but it's stated that his pay was not going to be deposited til the next day either, neither of them had any money at the moment..not for fuel, food, booze or drugs?
Recently I had to request copies of 911 calls for our office, you can imagine the paper work that had to be submitted, you have to pay for them(retrieval and uploading/downloading from archives), and then our attorney has to go to the Custodian of County Records office to hear the calls. And depending on what is on there, then they will make him a copy, but 'blipping' certain information.

 

[Criminal Justice mom]

^ Yikes.

If he was using again, that opens up so many possibilities as to what could've happened that night. A drug deal gone bad...being harmed while attempting to steal anhydrous (ingredient used in meth manufacture), etc. I've known farmers to shoot at people for trying to steal anhydrous ammonia from their property, though this probably isn't what B was doing that night. There are just so many strange, erratic behaviors associated with use of this particular substance...assuming he was using it at all. (I still haven't confirmed this tidbit myself). I've seen a man kill his father by driving him off a cliff in a meth-induced rage, so anything is possible.

I also find it weird that B would only tell his brother he was "bleeding" but not mention what caused the injury. It's omissions like this that makes me think we're not getting the whole story.

MOO

I have read it more than once in the media, fb as well as was told directly by LL that the reason for the fight was because of his using again.

 

[Criminal Justice mom]

The way I see it, why not release the entire call? We're not getting any further with this case, and neither is the police. "IF" the police state he was wanted man, and they feel he fled...well then... isn't he still and wanted man? Wouldn't that make the police want to find him even more??

No I don't think we've ever gotten the entire story about Brandon either. But I don't his gf/wife is the only one holding back info. LE is as well, and to solve this case, they need to use the public!!

JMO!

In most cases were 911 calls were made, parts of the call aren't allowed to be mAde public if it's still an open cases in order to protect the integrity of the investigation. There Is lots of red tape, paperwork and hoops to jump through to get a 911 call released even when going to trial.

 

[Karmin]

According to the family this is the whole 911 call, I don't believe that, I think there may be something on the call that LE didn't want to publish.
There are too many unknowns as to what went down that night. The first one is why did the gf answer KL calls but seemed to miss BL calls because her phone was in the van? Next, why rent a motel room when there could be a possibility he could have come home? KL took a lie detector, per LL, (not sure if this is true or not) but why didn't anyone else have to take one? The girlfriend went to the shed to get gas cans, the house didn't have a shed. As for the drug use and using again, in the beginning she stated the fight was because he was using again and she was going to call and turn him in, she later changed that story.
From my understanding LE thinks he has ran off. It's a small town with little man power to look for a felon who ran off. LE usually won't put manpower into someone who doesn't have a violent past.
I honestly don't know what to think about what happened. I don't think the family is being truthful about everything, the gf has been charged with fraud, and honestly that charge is in the back of most people's heads. It could have been a drug deal gone bad.. Who knows? Just wish someone would break their silence and say something.
Moo


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[Karmin]

I agree! It also leads to the question... K got the gas cans, knowing he had no $ to fill em, he and the gf headed out there...but then it is stated...later that he, the gf and another friend(we have not had this question ever answered, as it is viewed as not relevant) called and called for Brandon...is this the guy that was with Brandon that night, he was close to the truck? Hopped in with K..but Brandon chose to leave the area of the truck and 'run'? Another question that has been circling in my head....Brandon had his wallet, but it's stated that his pay was not going to be deposited til the next day either, neither of them had any money at the moment..not for fuel, food, booze or drugs?
Recently I had to request copies of 911 calls for our office, you can imagine the paper work that had to be submitted, you have to pay for them(retrieval and uploading/downloading from archives), and then our attorney has to go to the Custodian of County Records office to hear the calls. And depending on what is on there, then they will make him a copy, but 'blipping' certain information.

Good point about the wallet and them stating they didn't have money. This is just food for thought, remember the gf said she used their savings to rent an airplane the next day, why couldn't BL get money from the saving yet she could?


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[Occams Razor]

I agree that the tape is most likely edited. Sounds like a name/word might be removed at the "chasing ___ the woods" part. Or I could be hearing things.

If this is the entire call, the 9-11 operator did a horrific job of getting his name and basic information. This is not how most 9-11 calls go IMO. If he was just trying to escape and run from the warrant, I don't understand why he'd call 9-11 and ask for a cop. That's the only part that confuses me about the "on the run" theory. I don't know whether he or his family would be clever enough to pull off some sort of intricate setup. I sure wouldn't. Then again, I guess you'd only need to be smarter than the cops...which probably isn't saying much!

Sounds like the family's official version of events has changed many times. I wasn't aware of that. Too bad we don't have a comprehensive list of all the discrepancies that have been spotted over the years! Seems like it would be pretty lengthy...