GUILTY TX - Brian, 31, & Michell Conrad, 35, Zach Doan, 14, murdered, 29 Sept 2005

[fran]

Only if I’m dumb enough to leave a trail for him to track me down. And I’m not that dumb.

Just the same, ToddinPampa, be careful, please.

fran

 

[concernedperson]

Only if I’m dumb enough to leave a trail for him to track me down. And I’m not that dumb.

Do not underestimate someone who has these types of issues. Being the smartest person in the world won't save you against these people and after you are dead, then they can claim other mental illnesses. Tie up the courts for centuries and cause the taxpayers lots of hardships. So, do yourself and us some good and proceed with caution. Make it thoughtfull and accurate as best you can.

 

[txsvicki]

Vicki, I'd encourage you to tell your neighbor
not to confront those people. People involved in meth are not to be trifled with. Tell your neighbor the story of this family. The biggest mistake the man made was giving the drug dealer an ultimatum, “If you don’t stop what you’re doing, I’m going to the police.” It’s fine to go to the police – just don’t tip off the dealer! They can’t be reasoned or negotiated with. The biggest mistake that people make is when they get confrontational – like the man the other day who yelled at a passing car from his yard, telling them to slow down. He did this with his 3-yr-old son at his side. They rolled down the window and shot his son. But people think they can be heroes and that they’ll be bullet-proof, all the while putting themselves and their loved ones in jeopardy.

Thanks. I was going over to tell her about this story and before I could, she told me that the gal living at the house was arrested for drugs. I don't think that they are suspicious that this neighbor or myself may be doing anything. My neighbor plays dumb with them, and they don't even know me, or notice me hopefully. I've just given a few of those guys dirty looks when they were out in the yard and looking at me. Jan, lol, I think the police officer was trying to figure out which drug they might be selling. He said white people usually do meth and share it with each other in a group. They are hard to catch. The others that deal in crack are not usually white and are easier to catch I suppose. We already had a young man from this neighborhood killed and I heard that it was about drugs. It's nothing to fool around with. Todd, do you know what has happened to the banditos and their activity in this part of texas? I wonder if they are still so bad and feared by all. I've never seen any of them around my neighborhood, but always heard to NOT mess with them at all.

 

[ToddinPampa]

Todd, do you know what has happened to the banditos and their activity in this part of texas? I wonder if they are still so bad and feared by all. I've never seen any of them around my neighborhood, but always heard to NOT mess with them at all.

No, can't say that I do. I can just state the general observation that in the Texas Panhandle, the majority of murders are drug-related in some way.

Earlier I talked about some of the corruption in this area. Here is an article from the spring, after DA Rick Roach was arrested. It gives a lot of background on how corrupt he was, and how long it took for them to put him away.

http://www.solutionsfortexas.info/id293.html

(Update to that article --
Roach plea-bargained on the federal charges. All charges but one were dropped in return for the guilty plea, which resulted in a 5-year sentence. He is current serving that federal sentence and awaits trial on state charges. A hearing on pre-trial motions in that case is set for the next week.)

 

[jannuncutt]

Todd - Do you know if Barney Sawyer has been brought in for questioning?

 

[ToddinPampa]

Todd - Do you know if Barney Sawyer has been brought in for questioning?

My sources say that he has. In fact, he spent so much time being questioned that a local radio station got the facts wrong and reported that he had been arrested.

But he's still walking around a free man and trying to harrass old girlfriends. Hopefully it's because he's worried they're going to turn state's evidence.

 

[txsvicki]

No, can't say that I do. I can just state the general observation that in the Texas Panhandle, the majority of murders are drug-related in some way.

Earlier I talked about some of the corruption in this area. Here is an article from the spring, after DA Rick Roach was arrested. It gives a lot of background on how corrupt he was, and how long it took for them to put him away.

http://www.solutionsfortexas.info/id293.html

(Update to that article --
Roach plea-bargained on the federal charges. All charges but one were dropped in return for the guilty plea, which resulted in a 5-year sentence. He is current serving that federal sentence and awaits trial on state charges. A hearing on pre-trial motions in that case is set for the next week.)

Well, I guess having child and sex toys in the trunk of the car is just fine if you're an attorney. What a bunch of losers, including that man's wife.

 

[ToddinPampa]

What a bunch of losers, including that man's wife.

Vicki, I'm curious -- what did you mean by that statement concerning Roach's wife?

Additionally, here's a more updated article (Oct. 14) on the murder investigation.http://www.caller.com/ccct/cda/article_print/0,1983,CCCT_876_4160953_ARTICLE-DETAIL-PRINT,00.html

 

[txsvicki]

Vicki, I'm curious -- what did you mean by that statement concerning Roach's wife?

Additionally, here's a more updated article (Oct. 14) on the murder investigation.http://www.caller.com/ccct/cda/article_print/0,1983,CCCT_876_4160953_ARTICLE-DETAIL-PRINT,00.html

According to the above linked article, she seems to only be concerned with money and claims to have practically received no support or income from him even though they were married for 25 years. That's plenty of time to get away from someone who was known to be horrible, drug addicted, and no telling what else. She must have been the only one who didn't know. He does all this to her, but she now files for divorce after he is caught and reprimanded somewhat.

 

[ToddinPampa]

According to the above linked article, she seems to only be concerned with money and claims to have practically received no support or income from him even though they were married for 25 years. That's plenty of time to get away from someone who was known to be horrible, drug addicted, and no telling what else. She must have been the only one who didn't know. He does all this to her, but she now files for divorce after he is caught and reprimanded somewhat.

Vicki,

I wouldn't read too much into a few quotes in one article. I know Cindy, and she's the real victim in all this. Like many, many wives, she probably let her husband "run things" for way too long as she concentrated on raising their kids. She's been devastated by this and it's all she can do just to get up in the morning. She really needs our good thoughts and prayers.

A note on it seeming to be about the money -- just a few months ago she discovered that Rick Roach along with his parents had conspired to have some of his illegal seizure money stashed away in a trust for his kids. She reported him for it, not wanting her kids to have any part of tainted funds. As a result, it was determined that he had lied under oath about his assets, and now he faces an additional felony perjury charge. If Cindy really cared about the money, she wouldn't have gotten involved in that. She's working at a bank making little more than minimum wage, just trying to survive.

The adage "don't judge someone til you've walked a mile in their shoes" applies here.

 

[txsvicki]

Vicki,

I wouldn't read too much into a few quotes in one article. I know Cindy, and she's the real victim in all this. Like many, many wives, she probably let her husband "run things" for way too long as she concentrated on raising their kids. She's been devastated by this and it's all she can do just to get up in the morning. She really needs our good thoughts and prayers.

A note on it seeming to be about the money -- just a few months ago she discovered that Rick Roach along with his parents had conspired to have some of his illegal seizure money stashed away in a trust for his kids. She reported him for it, not wanting her kids to have any part of tainted funds. As a result, it was determined that he had lied under oath about his assets, and now he faces an additional felony perjury charge. If Cindy really cared about the money, she wouldn't have gotten involved in that. She's working at a bank making little more than minimum wage, just trying to survive.

The adage "don't judge someone til you've walked a mile in their shoes" applies here.

Yes, true. I am probably too critical but if she's a CPA I wonder why she doesn't just get away from that place and try to get a better job. Maybe try and start over. Sounds like she may have been used since the article mentioned her family's standing in the community. I really think that women are wrong to stay with drunks or dopers and expose their children to bad things but she could have even been afraid of him. Hopefully that little town will be cleaned up, this guy will get his due punishment, and that the murderer of that family will be brought to justice.

 

[Felix3000]

I followed the story from very far away. I live in europe and I am connected to this family. I was really shocked about the situation some of you described. I could not imagine that there is this high level of corruption and drug abuse in a rural community. Now it seems that this case in NOT connected to these things.
There are reports that the authorities are investigating against a 23 year old Levi King. He is also suspected to kill two other people on Sept. 29th.

http://www.kcbd.com/Global/story.asp?S=4008265&nav=3w6y

I see this case from very far away. I never was in that region (I hope I will in future). So I can not say anything about this being a hot lead, or just a scapegoat, for a incompetent and corrupt police.
What I see is that somebody ruined the live of two families, and by this of course his own. In my country it is very hard to get any weapons. Everybody who wants a weapon has to make a psychological test if he is able to deal with this. Weapons have to be closed away, so that they can not be taken by others. I think this case is a perfect example what can happen, if you have no law against weapons in private households.
The weapons couldn´t protect Conrad and his family. Conrad and the other family could still live if people like King would have no access to weapons.

This was a horrible crime. It seems they found the murder. I hope King gets his sentence. I hope this will not be the death penalty. This won´t make the victims alive again. Revenge is no solution.

I pray for the victims.
Somebody concerned.

p.s. Sorry my english is not the best.

 

[mic730]

King linked to Texas murders

By John Ford / Daily News Associate Editor
PINEVILLE — A McDonald County man released from prison after serving two years of a 14-year sentence and suspected of killing a Pineville man and his daughter-in-law is now a suspect in four more murders in Texas.

Levi King, 23, is currently being held without bond in the McDonald County Jail, accused in the murders of 70-year-old Orlie McCool and his daughter-in-law, 47-year-old Dawn Burr McCool.

Now, King has been accused in the shooting deaths of a rural Gray County, Texas family: Brian Conrad, 31; his pregnant 35-year-old wife Michell Conrad; and her 14-year-old son, Zach Doan. According to the Texas Department of Public Safety, since Mrs. Conrad was six months pregnant, her fetus is considered to be a fourth victim.
http://www.neoshodailynews.com/articles/2005/10/21/news/news09.txt

 

[mysteriew]

Jannuncutt, you are correct. If you'll go back through my posts in this thread, I basically lay out who did it and why. And even before the murders happened, it was a known thing in Pampa that you didn't even say Barney Sawyer's name -- if you did, you had a big bullseye on your back.

Even today, he's calling up the local domestic violence victim center in Pampa asking for the address of one of their clients so he can get some of her personal belongings back to her. How stupid is he, to think that they'd give out someone's address who is a victim of his?

So, is there any kniown connection between Sawyer and King?

 

[mysteriew]

A Missouri investigation has caught the interest of Texas authorities trying to solve the slayings of three people in rural Pampa.
Texas Rangers and the Gray County Sheriff's Department received information Wednesday morning possibly linking a suspect in custody in McDonald County, Mo., with the killing of Brian Conrad, 31, his wife Michell Conrad, 35, and her 14-year-old son Zach Doan in Pampa, said Trooper Daniel Hawthorne of the Texas Department of Public Safety.

After authorities got King, 23, back to Missouri to face two murder charges there, they obtained information that might link him to the Gray County deaths, said McDonald County Deputy Don Ruby.

In Missouri, King is accused of killing Orlie and Dawn McCool. He is also charged with stealing three handguns from his father's home. He remains in McDonald County Jail without bond, and Geeding has said he will seek the death penalty, according to the McDonald County Press.

The McCools' bodies were found by a relative in the couple's rural Pineville, Mo., home on Sept. 30, the same day that authorities found the three bodies in Pampa.
http://www.amarillo.com/stories/102005/new_3050885.shtml

Authorities are investigating whether there is link between a man charged in a double homicide in Missouri and the slayings of a farmer, his pregnant wife and her teenage son in their rural Texas Panhandle farmhouse.

The bodies of Orlie and Dawn McCool were found by a relative in the couple's rural Pineville, Mo., home on Sept. 30, the same day that authorities in the Texas Panhandle discovered Brian Conrad, 31, wife Michell Conrad, 35, and her 14-year-old son Zach Doan slain in their home south of Pampa. Michell Conrad was six months pregnant with the couple's first child together.

There was no immediate connection apparent between the two murder scenes, which are about 375 miles apart. Geeding declined to say specifically what led Missouri authorities to link the McCools' deaths with the Texas slayings.

"I think there were indications from him," Geeding said.
http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/state/12944668.htm

A pre-trial conference has been scheduled for a man accused of killing a rural Anderson man and his daughter-in-law earlier this month.

Levi King, 23, will appear before Judge John LePage at 10 a.m. Nov. 2 for a pre-trial conference. King is charged with the shooting deaths of Orlie McCool, 70, and his daughter-in-law, Dawn Burr McCool, 47.
http://www.neoshodailynews.com/articles/2005/10/14/news/news04.txt

The funeral for members of a rural Pampa, Texas, family who were murdered on Sept. 30 was probably the second largest ever held in the Panhandle community of 18,000, according to the church pastor who officiated at the service.

The Rev. Lynn Hancock, pastor of Briarwood Full Gospel Church in Pampa, said in a telephone interview Thursday that about 1,500 people attended the funeral for Brian Conrad, 31; his pregnant wife, Michell Conrad, 35; her unborn child; and her 14-year-old son, Zach Doan.

The family members were shot to death shortly before 7:15 a.m. in their home. Officers in McDonald County believe a Pineville man, Levi King, 23, already accused of killing a rural Pineville man and woman on Sept. 29, may have killed the Texas family as well.
http://www.joplinglobe.com/story.php?story_id=209541&c=87

 

[vanillasky]

So, is there any kniown connection between Sawyer and King?

I'm wondering that too.... seems odd that this guy would just choose this family out of the blue.... but it's possible.

 

[vanillasky]

ToddInPampa,

Have you heard anything else about this case? I haven't seen any updates in the news since 10/22... and I've been checking daily.

 

[vanillasky]

Small update......

Full story, no registration requred: http://www.joplinglobe.com/story.php?story_id=210593&c=87

 

[jannuncutt]

I'd really like to know Todd's take on this.

 

[vanillasky]

PAMPA - Bullets found at the scene of a September triple homicide match a weapon found with the prime suspect, Texas Department of Public Safety officials confirmed this week.


Full story: http://www.amarillo.com/stories/022506/new_4067869.shtml