TX - Cash Gernon, 4, found dead in street w/multiple wounds, Dallas, 15 May 2021 #2 *ARREST*

[TristanP]

I can’t figure out why people see a man on camera, carrying a boy from his home, and coming back again to attempt to take his brother, yet can’t accept that the man in question murdered the little boy he stole. Why does everything have to have a conspiracy theory?

 

[iamnotagolem]

I can’t figure out why people see a man on camera, carrying a boy from his home, and coming back again to attempt to take his brother, yet can’t accept that the man in question murdered the little boy he stole. Why does everything have to have a conspiracy theory?

There is nothing to indicate he was attempting to or planning to take the surviving twin other than Monica saying he came back for Carter and then got “spooked” and left. I’ve watched the video way too many times, he left without any attempt at taking Carter and clearly wasn’t spooked. JMO IMO

 

[SBops]

I can’t figure out why people see a man on camera, carrying a boy from his home, and coming back again to attempt to take his brother, yet can’t accept that the man in question murdered the little boy he stole. Why does everything have to have a conspiracy theory?

But he didn't attempt to take the brother. No one was stopping him. Why didn't he? I just find this whole case really confusing.

 

[KALI]

I think that it is important for ALL of us to realize that there are BAD, evil people who walk amongst us.
I've tried for many years wondering why?
At 67 years of age now, following hundreds of horrid murders, The only thing I keep coming up with is evil.
* I am not of any religion. Just a long time observer.
*I have observed that drugs. Of ALL kinds, liquor included, facilitate heinous murders.
Not all, but many.
Of course their is sex and money.
Adults have choices. Children do not.
Cash was an innocent child.
The adults?
Moo

Yes, all we have 'seen' so far is DB in the act of taking the child out of his bed and carrying him out of his room, heading out of the home...

For what purpose? I cannot think of any positive or beneficial reason he would be doing so.

But we do know that the child ended up dead in the street hours later.

 

[mpnola]

I can’t figure out why people see a man on camera, carrying a boy from his home, and coming back again to attempt to take his brother, yet can’t accept that the man in question murdered the little boy he stole. Why does everything have to have a conspiracy theory?

I agree!!! We have heard more evidence and seen more than about any other case i can ever remember!!! The police have made an arrest and said definitively that he is responsible and acted alone. Killer is not a good boy!!!! I cannot for the life of me figure out the need to excuse this child killer and accuse innocent people. I simply cannot understand. If everything presented isn't enough for people to believe, then nothing will ever be enough. He was a ticking time bomb and killed a beautiful little child, who loved dinosaurs. Stop making excuses for this trash murderer.

In the words of Nicolas cage in City of Angels.... Some things are true, whether you believe them or not.

 

[SBops]

I agree!!! We have heard more evidence and seen more than about any other case i can ever remember!!! The police have made an arrest and said definitively that he is responsible and acted alone. Killer is not a good boy!!!! I cannot for the life of me figure out the need to excuse this child killer and accuse innocent people. I simply cannot understand. If everything presented isn't enough for people to believe, then nothing will ever be enough. He was a ticking time bomb and killed a beautiful little child, who loved dinosaurs. Stop making excuses for this trash murderer.

In the words of Nicolas cage in City of Angels.... Some things are true, whether you believe them or not.

BBM. The police had no right to say that. They are not the judge and jury. They may believe that, but due process is a thing. I have not seen anyone making excuses for him, just people expecting that he gets the protection of the law to which we are all entitled.

 

[katydid23]

Considering in April he was found by police sitting in a stolen car, I think we can assume he didn't just try that one car door handle (at night, with his hoodie up, with a face mask on).
18-year-old accused of killing Dallas 4-year-old had previous arrest in April

"Police got a call on April 27 about a suspicious person sitting in a car looking at houses in the Red Bird area. A records search indicted to police the vehicle had been stolen.

When Dallas police attempted to make contact with Brown, he took off out of the car on foot and ran away from officers. After a brief foot chase through a neighborhood, Brown was taken into custody."

Well, Just because he was caught sitting in a stolen car, doesn't mean he stole it....[JUST KIDDING. lol ]

 

[jiffajaffa31]

But he didn't attempt to take the brother. No one was stopping him. Why didn't he? I just find this whole case really confusing.

I think the case does seem confusing if you try to look at it logically, but IF he has mental health issues and delusions it could be very hard for anyone else to make any sense of his reasoning at all . We also don't have all of the information.

 

[Rbartole]

Snipped for focus.

It was 4:53 taken from the transcript I typed up yesterday:

There’s one suspect, there’s only been one suspect. Facts as we know them are DB broke into this house at 4:53. He approached the crib, everyone else in the house was on the other side of the house and they were all asleep. As you well know, this family is kinda active at night so they stayed up all night and they were sleeping in. DB broke in, took Cash, and removed him from the house. At some point in time, I don’t know the exact time, he committed a heinous act against this little boy... <She paused. People off camera were heard telling her to take her time as it was clear what she was saying bothered her and she was getting herself together and keep from crying (It's MOO on the latter)> ...and then he went back for the second one. At 7:30, roughly.

Edited to add: I was surprised when I heard her say "At some point in time, I don’t know the exact time, he committed a heinous act against this little boy".

There is no wishy-washiness about that comment and it struck me as an odd thing for LE to say unless they knew something for sure. I'd have thought she'd word it as "we believe he committed", not "he committed". Anyway... JMO on that.

There are alot of things that LE didn't explain also, and left out. It says on the DPD incident reports that they arrived at the MS's house at 7:27 am that morning, supposedly the same time DB was there. Some one at that house called the police for burglary. Also I found it odd, where police arrived at DB's house that morning at 6:00 am, and recovered stolen property. Was DB at the house that time? Another thing found odd, was why did DB conceal his identity in the at night, but when returning didn't. When he returned to supposedly get the other child, the murdered child was already discovered, the police presence it that neighborhood would of been overwhelming. Neighbors outside wondering what's going on. Someone had to see something. Thing are not adding up? Also I'm not assuming this is public DPD incident reports. If this kid was terrorizing this neighborhood, nothing was ever reported, unless LE scrubbed the data. Don't know just find things unexplained.

 

[helpfulcharlie]

There is nothing to indicate he was attempting to or planning to take the surviving twin other than Monica saying he came back for Carter and then got “spooked” and left. I’ve watched the video way too many times, he left without any attempt at taking Carter and clearly wasn’t spooked. JMO IMO

I do think he left a bit abruptly toward the end. As if he was working up to it in his mind, and maybe someone in the home stirred. At least that's how it seemed to me. It's hard for me to imagine any other reason for him to be back in the room. But there's a lot about this case that doesn't make sense, and may never make sense.

 

[iamnotagolem]

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With all due respect there are a lot of unanswered questions, I’m 80% sure we’ll find out DB was the killer there are just so many weird aspects to this case. I’m more and more convinced by the day that DB acted alone, and maybe it’ll never make sense. I’m not making excuses for DB, these things take time and once they add a murder charge I’m sure a lot of the disbelief will cease.

 

[mpnola]

BBM. The police had no right to say that. They are not the judge and jury. They may believe that, but due process is a thing. I have not seen anyone making excuses for him, just people expecting that he gets the protection of the law to which we are all entitled.

What?!?! I'm not sure why this case seems to have a different set of rules than every other case. No one said that the trial is over. But the role of the police in determining who is responsible is paramount to every single criminal case! The evidence HAS gone before a judge. Who had to agree that there is enough evidence to arrest THIS guy. Not just some guy.

Arrest Warrants: What's in Them, How Police Get Them
How the Police Obtain an Arrest Warrant
To obtain a warrant, a police officer typically submits a written affidavit to a judge or magistrate. The affidavit, given under oath, must recite sufficient factual information to establish probable cause that a crime was committed and that the person named in the warrant committed it. A description so broad that it could apply to hundreds of people will not suffice.

For instance, a judge will not issue a warrant to arrest "Rich Johnson" based on an affidavit that "a liquor store was held up by a bald, potbellied man of medium height, and Rich Johnson matches that description." That description doesn't establish probable cause to believe that Rich Johnson robbed the liquor store, because the vague description would apply to numerous people. On the other hand, probable cause to arrest Rich Johnson probably would be adequate if the affidavit included the factual information that "the liquor store clerk and three witnesses identified a photo of Rich Johnson as the person who held up the liquor store."

And before people start saying there was vs wasn't a warrant...

When can police arrest a suspect without an arrest warrant?
What is a warrantless arrest?

As the name implies, a warrantless arrest is simply an arrest without a warrant. When police officers make a warrantless arrest, a judge does not have a chance to determine ahead of time whether the police have probable cause to make the arrest. Nevertheless, the Fourth amendment probable cause requirement remains the same. For a suspect to remain in custody following an arrest, the police must speedily satisfy a judge or magistrate that they had probable cause to make the arrest. (Gerstein v. Pugh, U.S. Sup. Ct. 1975)

 

[Rbartole]

What?!?! I'm not sure why this case seems to have a different set of rules than every other case. No one said that the trial is over. But the role of the police in determining who is responsible is paramount to every single criminal case! The evidence HAS gone before a judge. Who had to agree that there is enough evidence to arrest THIS guy. Not just some guy.

Arrest Warrants: What's in Them, How Police Get Them
How the Police Obtain an Arrest Warrant
To obtain a warrant, a police officer typically submits a written affidavit to a judge or magistrate. The affidavit, given under oath, must recite sufficient factual information to establish probable cause that a crime was committed and that the person named in the warrant committed it. A description so broad that it could apply to hundreds of people will not suffice.

For instance, a judge will not issue a warrant to arrest "Rich Johnson" based on an affidavit that "a liquor store was held up by a bald, potbellied man of medium height, and Rich Johnson matches that description." That description doesn't establish probable cause to believe that Rich Johnson robbed the liquor store, because the vague description would apply to numerous people. On the other hand, probable cause to arrest Rich Johnson probably would be adequate if the affidavit included the factual information that "the liquor store clerk and three witnesses identified a photo of Rich Johnson as the person who held up the liquor store."

And before people start saying there was vs wasn't a warrant...

When can police arrest a suspect without an arrest warrant?
What is a warrantless arrest?

As the name implies, a warrantless arrest is simply an arrest without a warrant. When police officers make a warrantless arrest, a judge does not have a chance to determine ahead of time whether the police have probable cause to make the arrest. Nevertheless, the Fourth amendment probable cause requirement remains the same. For a suspect to remain in custody following an arrest, the police must speedily satisfy a judge or magistrate that they had probable cause to make the arrest. (Gerstein v. Pugh, U.S. Sup. Ct. 1975)

The evidence that was in the arrest affidavit warrant says only positive Identification from the homeowner, as the person in the video. Nothing else. That's enough probable cause to obtain a arrest warrant. Everyone speculating that LE has more, is just that speculation. Just as the other charges they relied on the grandfather's statement to obtain arrest warrant.

 

[mpnola]

The evidence that was in the arrest affidavit warrant says only positive Identification from the homeowner, as the person in the video. Nothing else. That's enough probable cause to obtain a arrest warrant. Everyone speculating that LE has more, is just that speculation. Just as the other charges they relied on the grandfather's statement to obtain arrest warrant.

Ok, yall. Do your thing. Im not going to sit here and bash the police process and excuse the behavior of this child murderer.

Killer is good boy. I get it.

 

[tara83]

The evidence that was in the arrest affidavit warrant says only positive Identification from the homeowner, as the person in the video. Nothing else. That's enough probable cause to obtain a arrest warrant. Everyone speculating that LE has more, is just that speculation. Just as the other charges they relied on the grandfather's statement to obtain arrest warrant.

Our own eyes tell us it was him in the video.

 

[mpnola]

#justicforCASH!!!!!!! Cash Gernon. 4 years old. Snatched out his bed and horrifically murdered. Then left in the street like a snotty napkin. Justice.

You mattered, sweet boy. You mattered.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

It’s been 3 weeks. We heard from the officer at the community meeting that they expected results from forensic testing within 2-3 weeks.
I really hope we hear something from Dallas PD this week and additional charges are added. moo

 

[StarryStarryNight]

This crime is never going to make sense, so if your sole purpose is to weave a scenario that does, you’ll never succeed. This crime was caused by severe mental illness which seldom makes sense. The family made excuses. The authorities just shuffled him around and ignored his violent tendencies. The neighborhood suffered and the police looked the other way. The guy needed to be institutionalized. It doesn’t make sense. It can’t make sense. DB and mental illness killed Cash. It is a tragedy.

 

[Inthedetails]

What?!?! I'm not sure why this case seems to have a different set of rules than every other case. No one said that the trial is over. But the role of the police in determining who is responsible is paramount to every single criminal case! The evidence HAS gone before a judge. Who had to agree that there is enough evidence to arrest THIS guy. Not just some guy.

Arrest Warrants: What's in Them, How Police Get Them
How the Police Obtain an Arrest Warrant
To obtain a warrant, a police officer typically submits a written affidavit to a judge or magistrate. The affidavit, given under oath, must recite sufficient factual information to establish probable cause that a crime was committed and that the person named in the warrant committed it. A description so broad that it could apply to hundreds of people will not suffice.

For instance, a judge will not issue a warrant to arrest "Rich Johnson" based on an affidavit that "a liquor store was held up by a bald, potbellied man of medium height, and Rich Johnson matches that description." That description doesn't establish probable cause to believe that Rich Johnson robbed the liquor store, because the vague description would apply to numerous people. On the other hand, probable cause to arrest Rich Johnson probably would be adequate if the affidavit included the factual information that "the liquor store clerk and three witnesses identified a photo of Rich Johnson as the person who held up the liquor store."

And before people start saying there was vs wasn't a warrant...

When can police arrest a suspect without an arrest warrant?
What is a warrantless arrest?

As the name implies, a warrantless arrest is simply an arrest without a warrant. When police officers make a warrantless arrest, a judge does not have a chance to determine ahead of time whether the police have probable cause to make the arrest. Nevertheless, the Fourth amendment probable cause requirement remains the same. For a suspect to remain in custody following an arrest, the police must speedily satisfy a judge or magistrate that they had probable cause to make the arrest. (Gerstein v. Pugh, U.S. Sup. Ct. 1975)

Thank you for posting this info.

WS is such a great opportunity to learn how the legal system works. Seriously! Following cases on WS can be an education (especially when we keep SM rumors out of the discussions).

There's always room in our brains to learn more....and there's always room up there in the brain to turn around and change your mind once you learn more.

jmo

 

[SarahW]

There is nothing to indicate he was attempting to or planning to take the surviving twin other than Monica saying he came back for Carter and then got “spooked” and left. I’ve watched the video way too many times, he left without any attempt at taking Carter and clearly wasn’t spooked. JMO IMO