TX TX - Cheryl Henry, 22, & Andy Atkinson, 21, Houston, 21 Aug 1990

[margarita25]

(I've added Cheryl's and Andy's thread link back to my signature.)

 

[mocity]

(I've added Cheryl's and Andy's thread link back to my signature.)

Thanks so much Margarita25! Very sweet of you

 

[mocity]

Thank you:
I read a comment here where someone thought that because there was blood in the car, and someone mentioned a bloody Golf Club, that they were thinking the attacker may have used this before they were led into the woods.
I was asking because over time the facts/stories can change.
For example. After watching the links you posted, there is no mention of the clubs having blood on them.
In your second link, it is said that Houston PD found her car instead of a security guard. I know you have posted many times it was a security guard.
I am thinking along the lines that they both were in the car with the seats reclined, and were attacked by surprise.
I would think that if they did decide to get out of the car to hit golf balls, that they would have uprighted the seats when they sat up, before they got out of the car. I am not sure if the windows were down, but unless they were listening to the radio from outside while hitting golf balls, they would have not left the key on "ACC"
I think the attacker returned to the car after he killed them in an attempt to rob any valuables, and that's where the blood came from. He must have had a lot of blood on him.
I know her purse was found in the car, but not sure if he looked inside for money or not. That's when he took the club out. and pointed it in Cheryls direction.
I am only basing the robbery thought on the previous rape victim, who was also robbed. I don't think he bothered checking Andys pockets at the moment, because he was preoccupied with restraining them both and after, there was just too much blood IMO.
I asked about her clothing, because he had to wipe his hands someplace and I wasn't sure if her clothing was bloody or not. If they were, I'd guess that's where he wiped his hands, because they were removed before she was killed.

Not sure if I answered this but it was a security guard from a nearby office building. He found the car which was Andy's. It has been said it was Cheryl's which is wrong too.

 

[Rocky1]

Not sure if I answered this but it was a security guard from a nearby office building. He found the car which was Andy's. It has been said it was Cheryl's which is wrong too.

Thank you Mocity. I remember reading in previous posts that it was a security guard. Thanks you for the clarification on the ownership of the car. To me, this means that Andy was reported missing as well because the plates on the car were ran and it came back missing person. Is this right?

 

[Rocky1]

Thinking out loud..
If both were taken from the car at the same time by one person, to me, it would make sense that both would have been led from the car to the tree, Andy would have been tied up and no longer a threat, and then Cheryl led away the 100 yards away.
So, if the dogs tracked her scent from the car, why didn't they find Andy till the next day? The dog should have led LE right past Andy first, before they found Cheryl.
If in fact, the dog started tracking from the car, that says there had to be two people involved. One took Andy one way, and the other took Cheryl the other way.

Mocity, can you ask the detective on the case if she can tell you where the dog first picked up on her scent? Was it the car, or the woods? That should be in the report and it's not something that would hurt their investigation by telling you.

 

[mocity]

Thinking out loud..
If both were taken from the car at the same time by one person, to me, it would make sense that both would have been led from the car to the tree, Andy would have been tied up and no longer a threat, and then Cheryl led away the 100 yards away.
So, if the dogs tracked her scent from the car, why didn't they find Andy till the next day? The dog should have led LE right past Andy first, before they found Cheryl.
If in fact, the dog started tracking from the car, that says there had to be two people involved. One took Andy one way, and the other took Cheryl the other way.

Mocity, can you ask the detective on the case if she can tell you where the dog first picked up on her scent? Was it the car, or the woods? That should be in the report and it's not something that would hurt their investigation by telling you.

Good question rocky. I’ll ask and see what I get back. Also in response to your other post .... Cheryl’s other sister filed the missing person report. To my knowledge that was the only one filed. The security guard found something in Cheryl’s purse and contacted my parents first. My family was there before the police. On another note. Andy hadn’t been in Houston that long. His dad and grandmother were here so my understanding is he moved here to be close to them


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[margarita25]

You are correct that the sketch was done in conjunction with the rape victim - years after the crime happened (sketch done in 2008). In her case he did act alone so it would make sense he would act alone in Cheryl and Andy's case too. However, after talking with our detective, the scenario where it could be more than one person hasn't been ruled out.

(Marking.)

Eta: I've got a lot of catching up here. I'm feeling guilty to have been away so long...

Great to see the continued activity here , Mocity, Rocky1! )

 

[Rocky1]

Trying to separate fact from fiction.
What we know.
1) It was Andys car, and not Cheryls.
2) It was a Security Guard that found the car, and not HPD.
3) It wasn't "Lovers Lane" but a hang out spot for drinking and socializing.
4) The reason the Security Guard called was because he found something in Cheryls pocketbook, and not because he ran Andys plate number.

Still not sure about the rumor of the golf club having blood on it. I found this article that says there was. ( To me, that's important, because if there was, but no sign of injury on either Cheryl or Andy, that means he made two trips to and from the car, one with blood on his hands, yet no scent from the dog?)
https://news.google.com/newspapers?...klOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=_BMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6529,5274313

Mocity:
I read old posts where it was stated that Andys father owned a strip club? Was it a strip club, or a Golds Gym?
I also read there were two types of rope used. Is this true?

 

[mocity]

Trying to separate fact from fiction.
What we know.
1) It was Andys car, and not Cheryls.
2) It was a Security Guard that found the car, and not HPD.
3) It wasn't "Lovers Lane" but a hang out spot for drinking and socializing.
4) The reason the Security Guard called was because he found something in Cheryls pocketbook, and not because he ran Andys plate number.

Still not sure about the rumor of the golf club having blood on it. I found this article that says there was. ( To me, that's important, because if there was, but no sign of injury on either Cheryl or Andy, that means he made two trips to and from the car, one with blood on his hands, yet no scent from the dog?)
https://news.google.com/newspapers?...klOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=_BMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6529,5274313

Mocity:
I read old posts where it was stated that Andys father owned a strip club? Was it a strip club, or a Golds Gym?
I also read there were two types of rope used. Is this true?

I'll ask my sister about the blood on golf club. To my knowledge there was not. It is my understanding that his father did own some strip clubs but I don't know the names. Andy had gotten a job at Gold's Gym but I don't think that had anything to do with his father.

 

[Rocky1]

I'll ask my sister about the blood on golf club. To my knowledge there was not. It is my understanding that his father did own some strip clubs but I don't know the names. Andy had gotten a job at Gold's Gym but I don't think that had anything to do with his father.

Thank you Mocity. I was reading some older posts where someone posted that Andy had got a job with his father.
I guess we can add that to the fiction list as well.
Another bit of confusion. I see dates ranging from Aug 21, Aug 22 and Aug 23 when they were both killed.
The way I understand it is they went to the club the night of Aug 21. Cheryl was found the next day Aug 22, and Andy was found on Aug 23, Is this right?

 

[mocity]

Thank you Mocity. I was reading some older posts where someone posted that Andy had got a job with his father.
I guess we can add that to the fiction list as well.
Another bit of confusion. I see dates ranging from Aug 21, Aug 22 and Aug 23 when they were both killed.
The way I understand it is they went to the club the night of Aug 21. Cheryl was found the next day Aug 22, and Andy was found on Aug 23, Is this right?

All the dates are confusing. They went out to eat and then to Bayou Mama's the night of August 22nd. The next day the security guard found the car. Cheryl was found late that evening and Andy was found the next morning. Our families treat August 23rd as the date they died. They were most likely killed early morning on August 23rd. This HPD press release confirms the August 22nd date. http://www.houstontx.gov/police/nr/2008/may/nr051908-4.htm

 

[mocity]

I will be glad to call it in Mo City. I saw this sketch and about fell out of my chair. This sketch could not look more like this guy I used to work with if he had sat there and let the artist sketch him in person. It looks just like he did at that time. I don't really know much about him, but he was a very fair olive skinned man, taller than me (I am 5,11), lean muscular build, dark hair and brown eyes. I don't know much about him other than I remember he had other family that worked for the same company. A cousin, and an aunt. He had worked for the company for several years at different properties with other co-workers I knew and worked with. I was about 21 at that time, and he was 5-10 years older than I was. I can't speak to any of the details of the DNA results, but I did read somewhere that the rape victim who survived said her attacker had been wearing a dark shirt and matching pants possibly a uniform of some kind. Our maintenance men wore navy blue uniforms with shirts and pants made out of the same fabric. The resemblance is uncanny, though they say eye witness identification is not the most reliable, certainly DNA is more accurate, it would be interesting to see if LE could dig up an old Driver's License photo or perhaps a license photo for his Air Conditioning certification from the State of Texas and throw those into a photo line up to see if the rape victim could pick him out since she is the one that gave the description to the sketch artist.

Thank you hsnmef! Very crazy there is such a similarity.

 

[Rocky1]

In this article, it appears that Andy worked at the door of his fathers strip club.
If this is true,it must have been for a very short time, as Andy had only been in Houston for a few weeks.

http://www.pressreader.com/usa/houst...81492157055901

 

[Rocky1]

In this article, it appears that Andy worked at the door of his fathers strip club.
If this is true,it must have been for a very short time, as Andy had only been in Houston for a few weeks.

http://www.pressreader.com/usa/houst...81492157055901

Bumping for Cheryl, Andy, and mocity.

 

[mocity]

Bumping for Cheryl, Andy, and mocity.

Agreed. He had recently moved to Houston. Information I have is he was primarily working at Golds Gym


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[hcooper13]

I covered this case in the very first episode of a true crime podcast I still have today.

Things I ask in the episode:
-Could the rape victim could remember the suspects handedness? (right or left or which seemed to be most dominant)
-Did her boyfriend have any friends or work colleagues that she thought could be her rapist?
-He allegedly mentioned the bf's name during the attack. Did he get lucky and just see her boyfriend's name on a piece of mail and that's how he knew his name to frighten her with, or did he know him from before? The bf worked as a pilot or for the airlines if I remember correctly, right? Was the rapist a TSA agent or was his uniform similar to a pilot or airport security garb?

I personally believe that the killer stalked Cheryl from the club. If Andy took her home or if she left with her sister he could've followed her to her next destination and planned another separate attack after seeing where she lived or frequented. He lucked out with them going to a secluded spot. Perhaps he parked far away and pulled a sneak attack on the car after they had settled in. I think he was angry that Cheryl was with Andy, hence his brutal over kill of Andy.

I theorized that maybe there could be two offenders to help subdue each victim, but usually with rape, I feel that if one man rapes a victim the other will as well, and there's only one DNA match. I think he might have known Cheryl from a previous encounter at her job or something of that nature if she had been an employee of a strip club like the first rape victim was, or she was just his "type". He's clearly opportunistic but also methodical. He might have planned out the first known rape (breaking in, waiting, knowing personal information), but he's also taking a risk by doing all of that. What if she never went upstairs, what if the bf came home, what if she brought friends over? I think that he saw Cheryl, whether he knew her or not and took the risk of Andy being there.

The theory that he was lying in wait at the lovers lane area is possible, but I feel like he wouldn't have wanted to risk a fruitless night of rape and murder by hoping someone/a couple shows up. Instead he stalks them, just like the first woman, and goes in for the attack. Who's to say he wouldn't have attacked the first victim if her bf was home or not?

I couldn't figure out why he had a spare golf club and balls on his person or in his vehicle. If he did, did he work at a course nearby or was it a hobby? Golf isn't the cheapest sport to maintain as a regular hobby (clubs, proper golf attire, course fees etc.) so perhaps he had money? What country clubs or courses were around during that time and in that area? Did they check for tire tracks or foot prints from the scene, or camera footage from the club?

Money was supposedly left at the scene. Was it from Andy's wallet, Cheryl's purse, or the killer? Did they attempt to obtain prints from the bill? Having cash on hand is far too common so I don't think it has anything to do with him working for tips or one of those theories I've seen.

I know they obviously found seminal DNA, but did they try and find a link to a murder weapon? How were they cut? Was it a slice, a carving, was it sloppy or surgical? He supposedly used a gun to threaten the first rape victim, but then switched to a blade of some kind. Why the switch? Was the gun even loaded in the first attack or was it used just as a threat?

Why did he seem to escalate so quickly and then drop off the face of the earth? Did he move to another state, out of the country, or simply stop?

I could go on and on, and some of these questions have probably already been eliminated through the previous threads, but I just wanted to put my questions out there.

 

[mocity]

I covered this case in the very first episode of a true crime podcast I still have today.

Things I ask in the episode:
-Could the rape victim could remember the suspects handedness? (right or left or which seemed to be most dominant)
-Did her boyfriend have any friends or work colleagues that she thought could be her rapist?
-He allegedly mentioned the bf's name during the attack. Did he get lucky and just see her boyfriend's name on a piece of mail and that's how he knew his name to frighten her with, or did he know him from before? The bf worked as a pilot or for the airlines if I remember correctly, right? Was the rapist a TSA agent or was his uniform similar to a pilot or airport security garb?

I personally believe that the killer stalked Cheryl from the club. If Andy took her home or if she left with her sister he could've followed her to her next destination and planned another separate attack after seeing where she lived or frequented. He lucked out with them going to a secluded spot. Perhaps he parked far away and pulled a sneak attack on the car after they had settled in. I think he was angry that Cheryl was with Andy, hence his brutal over kill of Andy.

I theorized that maybe there could be two offenders to help subdue each victim, but usually with rape, I feel that if one man rapes a victim the other will as well, and there's only one DNA match. I think he might have known Cheryl from a previous encounter at her job or something of that nature if she had been an employee of a strip club like the first rape victim was, or she was just his "type". He's clearly opportunistic but also methodical. He might have planned out the first known rape (breaking in, waiting, knowing personal information), but he's also taking a risk by doing all of that. What if she never went upstairs, what if the bf came home, what if she brought friends over? I think that he saw Cheryl, whether he knew her or not and took the risk of Andy being there.

The theory that he was lying in wait at the lovers lane area is possible, but I feel like he wouldn't have wanted to risk a fruitless night of rape and murder by hoping someone/a couple shows up. Instead he stalks them, just like the first woman, and goes in for the attack. Who's to say he wouldn't have attacked the first victim if her bf was home or not?

I couldn't figure out why he had a spare golf club and balls on his person or in his vehicle. If he did, did he work at a course nearby or was it a hobby? Golf isn't the cheapest sport to maintain as a regular hobby (clubs, proper golf attire, course fees etc.) so perhaps he had money? What country clubs or courses were around during that time and in that area? Did they check for tire tracks or foot prints from the scene, or camera footage from the club?

Money was supposedly left at the scene. Was it from Andy's wallet, Cheryl's purse, or the killer? Did they attempt to obtain prints from the bill? Having cash on hand is far too common so I don't think it has anything to do with him working for tips or one of those theories I've seen.

I know they obviously found seminal DNA, but did they try and find a link to a murder weapon? How were they cut? Was it a slice, a carving, was it sloppy or surgical? He supposedly used a gun to threaten the first rape victim, but then switched to a blade of some kind. Why the switch? Was the gun even loaded in the first attack or was it used just as a threat?

Why did he seem to escalate so quickly and then drop off the face of the earth? Did he move to another state, out of the country, or simply stop?

I could go on and on, and some of these questions have probably already been eliminated through the previous threads, but I just wanted to put my questions out there.

Lots of great thoughts And great questions. Supposedly the golf clubs were with Cheryl and Andy



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[Rocky1]

I covered this case in the very first episode of a true crime podcast I still have today.

Things I ask in the episode:
-Could the rape victim could remember the suspects handedness? (right or left or which seemed to be most dominant)
-Did her boyfriend have any friends or work colleagues that she thought could be her rapist?
-He allegedly mentioned the bf's name during the attack. Did he get lucky and just see her boyfriend's name on a piece of mail and that's how he knew his name to frighten her with, or did he know him from before? The bf worked as a pilot or for the airlines if I remember correctly, right? Was the rapist a TSA agent or was his uniform similar to a pilot or airport security garb?

I personally believe that the killer stalked Cheryl from the club. If Andy took her home or if she left with her sister he could've followed her to her next destination and planned another separate attack after seeing where she lived or frequented. He lucked out with them going to a secluded spot. Perhaps he parked far away and pulled a sneak attack on the car after they had settled in. I think he was angry that Cheryl was with Andy, hence his brutal over kill of Andy.

I theorized that maybe there could be two offenders to help subdue each victim, but usually with rape, I feel that if one man rapes a victim the other will as well, and there's only one DNA match. I think he might have known Cheryl from a previous encounter at her job or something of that nature if she had been an employee of a strip club like the first rape victim was, or she was just his "type". He's clearly opportunistic but also methodical. He might have planned out the first known rape (breaking in, waiting, knowing personal information), but he's also taking a risk by doing all of that. What if she never went upstairs, what if the bf came home, what if she brought friends over? I think that he saw Cheryl, whether he knew her or not and took the risk of Andy being there.

The theory that he was lying in wait at the lovers lane area is possible, but I feel like he wouldn't have wanted to risk a fruitless night of rape and murder by hoping someone/a couple shows up. Instead he stalks them, just like the first woman, and goes in for the attack. Who's to say he wouldn't have attacked the first victim if her bf was home or not?

I couldn't figure out why he had a spare golf club and balls on his person or in his vehicle. If he did, did he work at a course nearby or was it a hobby? Golf isn't the cheapest sport to maintain as a regular hobby (clubs, proper golf attire, course fees etc.) so perhaps he had money? What country clubs or courses were around during that time and in that area? Did they check for tire tracks or foot prints from the scene, or camera footage from the club?

Money was supposedly left at the scene. Was it from Andy's wallet, Cheryl's purse, or the killer? Did they attempt to obtain prints from the bill? Having cash on hand is far too common so I don't think it has anything to do with him working for tips or one of those theories I've seen.

I know they obviously found seminal DNA, but did they try and find a link to a murder weapon? How were they cut? Was it a slice, a carving, was it sloppy or surgical? He supposedly used a gun to threaten the first rape victim, but then switched to a blade of some kind. Why the switch? Was the gun even loaded in the first attack or was it used just as a threat?

Why did he seem to escalate so quickly and then drop off the face of the earth? Did he move to another state, out of the country, or simply stop?

I could go on and on, and some of these questions have probably already been eliminated through the previous threads, but I just wanted to put my questions out there.

He couldn't have been a TSA Agent, because in 1990, there was no TSA.
I think Cheryl was stalked at the club too. I doubt he was waiting at the crime scene for her because Cheryl and Andy had only been together for a few weeks, and it's unlikely they had established a pattern of hanging at the scene. Where they were parked was not at the actual hang out, ( lovers lane) but down the road some, in a cul-de-sac. It was a wet mosquito infested night. According to the weather history, there were thunderstorms that night around 10 pm, before they left the club. I think they were followed from the club.
Just a thought, but, I think the reason the rapist knew the victims bf was not going to be home was because he may have been at the club where she danced, sitting next to her bf, struck up a conversation, and he may have told the rapist he was a pilot, and was heading out of town.
I think the gun was more of a way of controlling the situation, and I think he used it for the same reason on Cheryl and Andy, to subdue, but used the knife because it was more personal, and quieter.
If you read my previous posts, you'll get a sense of how they could determine if there was one, or two killers, from the dog tracking sequence. If the dog found Cheryl, and there was only one killer, and Andy was tied up first (which makes sense), then why didn't the dog track to Andy first ? It should have tracked from the car, to Andy, then to Cheryl. If there were two killers, then maybe one took Andy one way, and one took Cheryl the other way but the dog only hit on one scent at the car.
I don't think the money had anything to do with him working for tips either, but I think it had everything to do with Cheryl working for tips. Imo, I think it's either that, or the night of the murder at the club, this guy may have thought somehow either Cheryl or Andy ripped him off for 20 bucks, got mad, and was seeking revenge. If I knew if Cheryl/Andy and her Sister/Sisters bf were either sitting at a table, or the bar, that could narrow it down. If they were at the bar, the chances of someone leaving money on the bar and having it disappear are greater than from a table.
I think a lot of the other things you have mentioned, were investigated, ie, the money processed for fingerprints, the rape victims bf's work mates etc. I am not certain, but this case has been cold for a long time now, and I am sure most of the normal questions have been gone over a few times by LE. Imo. what's going to solve this, is thinking outside the box some, and catching something that LE missed.
I do have faith that this case will be solved.

 

[mocity]

He couldn't have been a TSA Agent, because in 1990, there was no TSA.
I think Cheryl was stalked at the club too. I doubt he was waiting at the crime scene for her because Cheryl and Andy had only been together for a few weeks, and it's unlikely they had established a pattern of hanging at the scene. Where they were parked was not at the actual hang out, ( lovers lane) but down the road some, in a cul-de-sac. It was a wet mosquito infested night. According to the weather history, there were thunderstorms that night around 10 pm, before they left the club. I think they were followed from the club.
Just a thought, but, I think the reason the rapist knew the victims bf was not going to be home was because he may have been at the club where she danced, sitting next to her bf, struck up a conversation, and he may have told the rapist he was a pilot, and was heading out of town.
I think the gun was more of a way of controlling the situation, and I think he used it for the same reason on Cheryl and Andy, to subdue, but used the knife because it was more personal, and quieter.
If you read my previous posts, you'll get a sense of how they could determine if there was one, or two killers, from the dog tracking sequence. If the dog found Cheryl, and there was only one killer, and Andy was tied up first (which makes sense), then why didn't the dog track to Andy first ? It should have tracked from the car, to Andy, then to Cheryl. If there were two killers, then maybe one took Andy one way, and one took Cheryl the other way but the dog only hit on one scent at the car.
I don't think the money had anything to do with him working for tips either, but I think it had everything to do with Cheryl working for tips. Imo, I think it's either that, or the night of the murder at the club, this guy may have thought somehow either Cheryl or Andy ripped him off for 20 bucks, got mad, and was seeking revenge. If I knew if Cheryl/Andy and her Sister/Sisters bf were either sitting at a table, or the bar, that could narrow it down. If they were at the bar, the chances of someone leaving money on the bar and having it disappear are greater than from a table.
I think a lot of the other things you have mentioned, were investigated, ie, the money processed for fingerprints, the rape victims bf's work mates etc. I am not certain, but this case has been cold for a long time now, and I am sure most of the normal questions have been gone over a few times by LE. Imo. what's going to solve this, is thinking outside the box some, and catching something that LE missed.
I do have faith that this case will be solved.

Hi. What is your podcast so I can listen? Thanks for the interest! I will organize some of your questions and send to the current detective. Unfortunately we don’t get the information people think we would get


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[mocity]

Hi. What is your podcast so I can listen? Thanks for the interest! I will organize some of your questions and send to the current detective. Unfortunately we don’t get the information people think we would get


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Ignore this Rocky. Having a hard time from my phone


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