GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #12 *Arrest*

[SeriouslySearching]

Do we know for a fact his car has not been searched? If we are only going by what has been purported by people and they think it has not, I have to say I don't put much value in that. LE is not going to give out info on each person and what searches they have done.

Isn't there a Sunshine law in Texas? LE rarely searches anything without a search warrant even if given permission by the owner (unless during a routine traffic stop type of search). I would expect the media to pick up on any and all sws issued in this case.

 

[Latestforever]

I wonder how HF was asked/ notified that CM was missing.
Was he called on his phone? If so he had to have seen text messages.

 

[OldFashionWithaFlair]

I wonder how HF was asked/ notified that CM was missing.
Was he called on his phone? If so he had to have seen text messages.

True. I wonder if CM's mother was the one that called him. I wonder if her employer called him? Usually your significant other is on your contact list at work. JMO.

 

[Agent.Veritas]

Morris, according to her mom, enjoyed the night out and planned to spend the night at one of her girlfriends' apartment, but decided to go home after a text message dispute with her boyfriend, who was back at her place in Fort Worth.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/27/christina-marie-morris-missing_n_6056364.html

Dispute means he answered, doesn't it?

It sure should, SS!

I am not caught up in reading, so I am super-sorry if someone else has already addressed this in this way...
I'm not sure many journalists consider the connotative use of some of the words they use and sentences they create-- at least not to the level that could withstand our WS magnifying glass!

Because we can't automatically trust that author's intentions are consistent with his or her word choice, I find myself trying to gauge the validity/trustworthiness (trust-word-iness?) through other elements of an author's writing.

As y'all pointed out, there were a few key names containing errors. If concrete, verifiable words had issues, it makes me cautious about the more discretionary "free-choice" words used to construct the rest of the article. I'm just not sure how much stock we can place in the overall veracity of the piece.

I got an odd vibe from this article. I'm eager to catch up on these next six pages to see if anyone else did, too.

 

[Agent.Veritas]

Plano police said detectives have questioned Arochi and he was initially cooperative, but it remains unclear if he is still talking to police.

"We initially were talking to him and all the people that were with Christina that evening," Tilley said. "They were all cooperative from the initial part of the investigation, but at this point in time, we're not commenting on what cooperation level they have extended to us."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/27/christina-marie-morris-missing_n_6056364.html

Sorry, too, if this has already been addressed-- (three pages to finish reading, I think I can, I think I can!)
IMO, the phrasing opportunities are very restricted for how LE can respond to this question without revealing private witness details. To say something like, "We're not able to comment on that because the witness(es) have retained counsel," would really stir up a frenzy of speculation, even if-- as has been previously discussed on here--there are many legitimate reasons why the witnesses might want to secure attorney representation.

 

[Batman's Mommy]

Was her car key lost with her house keys???


MOO!!

IMO, I have always thought that Christina texting that she had lost her house key may have been an attempt to get a response from HF. I COULD BE WRONG that is why I stated it as OPINION.

I know the "two keys on a chain around her neck" issue has been hashed and rehashed.

I always found it odd that IF she had lost her key or keys, why was she going to her car in the first place? IF she didn't have the key to it, what was she going to do when she got to her car?

It is that question that has always made me wonder if she had DEFINITELY lost/misplaced one or both of her keys.

JMO :cow:

 

[CookieM]

It sure should, SS!

I am not caught up in reading, so I am super-sorry if someone else has already addressed this in this way...
I'm not sure many journalists consider the connotative use of some of the words they use and sentences they create-- at least not to the level that could withstand our WS magnifying glass!

Because we can't automatically trust that author's intentions are consistent with his or her word choice, I find myself trying to gauge the validity/trustworthiness (trust-word-iness?) through other elements of an author's writing.

As y'all pointed out, there were a few key names containing errors. If concrete, verifiable words had issues, it makes me cautious about the more discretionary "free-choice" words used to construct the rest of the article. I'm just not sure how much stock we can place in the overall veracity of the piece.

I got an odd vibe from this article. I'm eager to catch up on these next six pages to see if anyone else did, too.

I think it's great for the case to get media coverage! But I did think the article was a little strangely written. Of course I've never looked at HuffPo as a truly credible news source. It's more of a catch all of news links like Drudge Report or a media blog that accepts news bloggers, so the articles aren't the best. That probably explains the errors and one-sidedness. I thought it was interesting that it was never brought up that HF never reported her missing. That was odd in my opinion.

 

[Agent.Veritas]

anyone think anything shady with the Dateing service?

About that... I'll need to double check this, but the backstory-timeline stuff from the huffpost article didn't seem to jive with what I remember seeing on CM's published resume/CV. But I'm still not caught up on reading here yet!

 

[Agent.Veritas]

I think if LE thought Christina got int EA's car his car would have been taken his clothes he wore that night.
and Im wondering if he took a polygraph cause im sure that was requested at some time.

All JMO

Given the lack of warrant issued, and the initial phrasing of cooperation, a reasonable conclusion might be that he either a) offered all that up front of his own volition or b) was asked informally (sans warrant) to provide it and did.

 

[CookieM]

Given the lack of warrant issued, and the initial phrasing of cooperation, a reasonable conclusion might be that he either a) offered all that up front of his own volition or b) was asked informally (sans warrant) to provide it and did.

For future reference, Agent, where is info about warrants available? Can anyone see if a warrant has been issued? Is is available online as public record?TIA

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I have a suspicion about how the prostitution/sex slavery/trafficking angle came up and I think it is the long shot here. Her mother's hope for her to be alive and some social media comments are blended together in that theory, imo. Human trafficking is real and a danger to young women without a doubt, but in this case it simply doesn't fit. Human traffickers are ruthless and reckless, but some Joe Blow doesn't just grab a woman and sell her. Not the way it happens, imo.

 

[SaintGirl]

It sure should, SS!

I am not caught up in reading, so I am super-sorry if someone else has already addressed this in this way...
I'm not sure many journalists consider the connotative use of some of the words they use and sentences they create-- at least not to the level that could withstand our WS magnifying glass!

Agree. Reporters tend to try to throw in marketing terms for sound bites that may or may not be technically correct but they feel it doesn't defer from the story in any manner. A good example is "girls night" vs "a night with friends." How many times has that been discussed here?

 

[Agent.Veritas]

All the threads are starting to blur together. Did I imagine that there was scuttlebutt about CM saying she was going to head out from the party and EA volunteering to walk with her? Was that hypothesis on our part, or was it overheard at a search? Either way, I suppose it conflicts with the idea of CM being fearful of abduction, which could re-shape many of the theories we've kicked around.

Except that this is Plano, and there's this bubble-of-safety feeling here that can transcend old fears and common sense. I'll admit. I've been more cautious about the bobcat/coyote problems than of crimes here.

If CM was wrapped in the Plano-safety-bubble feeling, that could also open up some options. I've never genuinely entertained the random abduction theory, but the way the huffpost article focused on the 'greatest fear' angle started making me think about one of my greatest fears-- that my own kids haven't developed enough of a stranger-danger awareness and would cheerfully offer to help any stranger who claimed to have lost his or her dog.

I know we've talked about this before, but...
Could a stranger (or even acquaintance) have called out to her from outside the parking garage, maybe from a distance? A stranger would probably be calling out for help, which might make her more cautious than if someone was calling her name, but still...

 

[CookieM]

All the threads are starting to blur together. Did I imagine that there was scuttlebutt about CM saying she was going to head out from the party and EA volunteering to walk with her? Was that hypothesis on our part, or was it overheard at a search? Either way, I suppose it conflicts with the idea of CM being fearful of abduction, which could re-shape many of the theories we've kicked around.

Except that this is Plano, and there's this bubble-of-safety feeling here that can transcend old fears and common sense. I'll admit. I've been more cautious about the bobcat/coyote problems than of crimes here.

If CM was wrapped in the Plano-safety-bubble feeling, that could also open up some options. I've never genuinely entertained the random abduction theory, but the way the huffpost article focused on the 'greatest fear' angle started making me think about one of my greatest fears-- that my own kids haven't developed enough of a stranger-danger awareness and would cheerfully offer to help any stranger who claimed to have lost his or her dog.

I know we've talked about this before, but...
Could a stranger (or even acquaintance) have called out to her from outside the parking garage, maybe from a distance? A stranger would probably be calling out for help, which might make her more cautious than if someone was calling her name, but still...

No, you are correct! Maybe someone can find that link because there was definitely a report that she was leaving the apartment and her girlfriends offered to walk her to her car, but then EA said he would walk her since he was going that way anyway. I remember this story because I remember thinking it was odd that her girlfriend would offer to walk her to the other parking garage as opposed to just saying, "Let me drive you over."

 

[SeriouslySearching]

~Snipped for space~ I've been more cautious about the bobcat/coyote problems than of crimes here.

I know we've talked about this before, but...
Could a stranger (or even acquaintance) have called out to her from outside the parking garage, maybe from a distance? A stranger would probably be calling out for help, which might make her more cautious than if someone was calling her name, but still...

Someone mentioned another party or disturbance on Scruggs, but I don't know the validity of the comment. Could a stranger have made their way into the garage much earlier or been out of sight of the cameras on the outside of the garage? Possible.

If someone was picking her up, would they come inside the garage anyway? Not a normal pick up place, imo. (I have picked up people when their cars were parked in a parking garage, but we met outside the building on the street where I would not have to worry about parking and could make it a swift transition.)

OT/ We went searching for my missing dog in the countryside after dark. I stopped the car at a shell pit to call for her. My light hit the ridge above and I was stunned by many, many glowing gold cat eyes staring at us. Bobcats at every level. It was both the coolest thing I had ever seen and one of the most frightening experiences with my child beside me. (We did find our dog that night, but she had been smart enough to avoid the cats.)

 

[JMOM]

Link please..... I don't remember seeing anything that stated this. Would like to read it. Thanks!

No, you are correct! Maybe someone can find that link because there was definitely a report that she was leaving the apartment and her girlfriends offered to walk her to her car, but then EA said he would walk her since he was going that way anyway. I remember this story because I remember thinking it was odd that her girlfriend would offer to walk her to the other parking garage as opposed to just saying, "Let me drive you over."

 

[Eileen730]

I'm wondering that as well. There hasn't been mention of the other cars since the beginning & they haven't released any footage of any cars so I wonder if they have been identified.

They only mentioned 3 cars and I'm sure there are alot more that entered and exited in the hours after they were seen on video

 

[Happyshoes]

Can anyone give me an idea of how far it is from that parking lot to where she lived? Have questions been asked and/or answered about knowing her bf was at their apartment in Ft. Worth? Was it said that he quit answering her texts? I think sending 15 texts to a guy is obsessive but maybe not at that age. Was he angry with her for going in the first place?

 

[OldFashionWithaFlair]

Link please..... I don't remember seeing anything that stated this. Would like to read it. Thanks!

The only time I recall hearing any mention of an offer to walk her to her car in MSM was yesterday's Huffington Post article & that states EA offered to walk her to her car.

 

[cluciano63]

HuffPo is so not mainstream media, IMO. They used to use Chelsea Hoffman's articles, who is pretty much the lowest of the low "crime writers" who takes hostile stances against certain familes or suspects and writes about them, i.e McCanns, Amanda Knox, and others, regardless of verdicts, and is borderline if not blatantly libelous. She is one example, but overall, a lot of them are bloggers, putting their spin on efery case. Jmo