GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #12 *Arrest*

[Salem]

As far as I know, there is no direct link. The family was quoted in MSM as saying this had happened. Members can decide for themselves how much weight to give the statement. The statement was in MSM and it is discussable. Members who believe it may say so. Members who don't believe it, may say so. Badgering about it will not be allowed.

Thanks,

Salem

Does anyone have a direct link to Officer Tilley stating that EA has changed his story? I would like to read that statement by LE that he has in fact changed his story. I do not recall PPD ever saying he changed his story.

 

[txyorkiemom]

Does anyone know if the Huffpost reporter actually spoke to PPD/Tilley? TIA

Stop reading my mind!!!! :loveyou:

I would really love it if Officer Tilley could make a statement on that... lease:

 

[Lrc143]

The Sunshine Act does not require law enforcement to release details of their investigation, while the investigation is ongoing. As far a I know, this is still an ongoing investigation.

Salem

Does this mean search warrants can be executed without the public's knowledge?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I'd like to point out that you are drawing a big conclusion based on the wording of a reporter that didn't even have two of the major players in the articles names spelled right.

According to the article, Huffpo reporter spoke directly to JM (Christina's mother). Maybe the reporter did not ask the correct spelling for the names, but it seems like the article wasn't taken and rewritten like many others. If she hadn't said it, the reporter wouldn't have written it...IMO.

 

[CookieM]

are we suggesting that hiring an attorney when you are suspected of being involved in a very serious crime is Narcissistic behavior ... because that is totally inaccurate.

I totally agree with what you are saying here! When has getting a lawyer mean you are a Narcissist? I've said it before: He got a lawyer, lawyer says don't speak to anyone about the case (which seems like normal advice for a lawyer, IMO), the family goes to his residence and knocks on his front door, the guy says, "My lawyer says I can't talk about it." and they picket his house expecting him to talk. To me, that is not going to work. They have already printed pictures of him and put them on posters, have named him publicly when LE hadn't done that, they posted pictures from his sm site on their sites... I am NOT saying he is innocent OR guilty of anything -- I have no idea -- but I will say that he would be crazy to have spoken to anyone or to have gone on searches. The family is upset that he did not do those things, but I am just thinking that anything he could have said would easily be published publicly by family and friends. We have already seen how words have gotten twisted or misinterpreted. Heck, even on this forum, someone may post something and someone else takes it the wrong way and things need to be restated and clarified. If he went on a search and a random person says: "Hey aren't you the dude who was with her last??" and he says, "I can't talk about it. My lawyer said not to." and walks away, that random person could easily say: "Yeah I asked him and he looked all nervous and shifty and said his lawyer won't let him talk." That in and of itself is a good reason to keep quiet. But it doesn't mean he is the ONLY one who has information that would be helpful to the case. And it also doesn't make him a Narcissist. (On a side note, way back when the original post came up about the Narcissist, I really thought that poster was talking about HF -- ooopsie!)

 

[CookieM]

I'm the spoiler btw...I hardly ever get out, being a stay home mom with a toddler and loving in the middle of nowhere. I saw it and posted about it, I did not give away a lot of info...I didn't think so.
It was way too......I did not like it. Let's just say that. As I don't want to say anything else to ruin it for anybody. I felt bad and apologized about it. But, I just wanted to let everyone here that is talking about it know, that I'm the one that ruined it! Oops!

No, you didn't say too much -- no worries! I just didn't want anyone to start talking about it again, lol!

 

[Salem]

Yes. The public may find out afterwards, but LE can keep the information from the public for a period of time so as not to jeopardize their investigation. They also don't have to release names of persons they determine are not involved.

Salem

Does this mean search warrants can be executed without the public's knowledge?

 

[Salem]

LE can ask the Court not to release the info if LE feels it will hamper the investigation. The Court is generally agreeable to this as long as the request is reasonable. I can see LE not having to release any info regarding EA given the picketing, etc. It could potentially be harmful on several different fronts.

I'm not saying this is what happened, just saying it is entirely possible.

Salem

With the Sunshine Act when LE files anything in court...the records then become public. However, if it has not been filed...it can be retained by LE as part of the active investigation and beyond. Search warrants would be public because they have to be filed with the court and signed by a Judge. Right?! Or did I dream this?

 

[OldFashionWithaFlair]

Eileen made an excellent point. Everyone knew who was with her last so why would he do anything? And if he was stupid enough to do something, why didn't he tell LE he dropped her off somewhere instead of got into his car and left? Since everyone knew he was with her, wouldn't he be concerned about evidence in his car if he did put her in it? Some criminals will keep parts of the truth in their lies plus they will fill in with too much information. His parting ways at different spots isn't much of a change (if he did change it).

I can imagine this could go a lot of different ways, but more than one person could be involved, it may not have been planned, she could have gone somewhere willingly & then something happened, something could have happened in the garage & she was put into a car. As for searching his car, maybe that's who's car they took to Whataburger, maybe that's why multiple people knew where she parked, because maybe they could see her car as well. JMO. Also we really don't know everything he told the PD, for all we know he did say he took her somewhere. I doubt he did, but who knows.

 

[Le Singe]

I'm not disputing this quote. That's what we've been told from the beginning as if fact. But yet in this most recent article, Tilley is quoted as saying that's what EA said happened but they don't know, don't have evidence either way. That's my point. It's always been assumed that part was fact and there was proof of it but apparently not. According to this latest quote, that's just what EA said happened and there's not proof either way.

Underlined for emphasis

first off its a direct quote so there is no assumption involved either LE was not telling the truth in one story. OR

In the context of the lohr article I thought Tilley was speaking in regards to where he parked relative to where she parked and whether they where far away or not. "A lot of people are saying that is not the case" I don't think anyone has claimed to have seen what happened in the garage so I think he talking about where each of them parked which many people could have witnessed.

 

[OldFashionWithaFlair]

[modsnip]
Please read my post from page 17-
I'm confident deducing that any secrecy on behalf of the "witnesses" has to do with not incriminating themselves for "crimes" completely unrelated to CM's disappearance.

What makes you so confident of that, I just wonder what your view is? I haven't been able to feel confident that is the case.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm sure no one would want to think that their loved one would abandon those they love and who love them, but it really is something to consider. You hear about this type of thing in the news often. Of course I don't understand it myself either, because I don't know how you could just up and leave the people who mean the most to you. But with this case kindof at a standstill with no real additional facts available to the public and no one named as suspects or even persons of interest, in my opinion ALL possibilities should be considered.

Bronco game guy they just found today. He just took a walk and kept walking...160 miles south to Pueblo, CO. His reason, "Had my fill of football.".

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ctober-2014/page10&highlight=paul+bronco+game

There are many Walkaway Joes and Janes. Families never want to believe their loved one could be so cruel or self-centered as to leave them worried and in pain. However, people do it anyway for different reasons. Some meet a new person and want to start all over. Some are suffering from mental disorders. Some choose this instead of suicide. Some want to be alone. The common thread is the families can't believe there is no regard for them. But sometimes...there just isn't.

I agree all possibilities should be considered...including her walking away.

 

[txyorkiemom]

first off its a direct quote so there is no assumption involved either LE was not telling the truth in one story. OR

In the context of the lohr article I thought Tilley was speaking in regards to where he parked relative to where she parked and whether they where far away or not. "A lot of people are saying that is not the case" I don't think anyone has claimed to have seen what happened in the garage so I think he talking about where each of them parked which many people could have witnessed.

My personal view the way I interpreted it, is The Mom is being interviewed and she is telling her side and her perception as well as what others have said.

I think it is great to get the information out there about CM. :moo: All My OPINION

 

[JMOM]

IMO - Not the case here. JMO

Bronco game guy they just found today. He just took a walk and kept walking...160 miles south to Pueblo, CO. His reason, "Had my fill of football.".

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ctober-2014/page10&highlight=paul+bronco+game

There are many Walkaway Joes and Janes. Families never want to believe their loved one could be so cruel or self-centered as to leave them worried and in pain. However, people do it anyway for different reasons. Some meet a new person and want to start all over. Some are suffering from mental disorders. Some choose this instead of suicide. Some want to be alone. The common thread is the families can't believe there is no regard for them. But sometimes...there just isn't.

I agree all possibilities should be considered...including her walking away.

 

[Le Singe]

I find it interesting that in the press releases LE continues to put emphasis on this being a missing persons case, and that there is no evidence of criminal/suspicious circs....
Haven't come across discussion of the possibility that CM planned this and voluntarily disappeared...?

i've stated numerous times that from the outside looking in LEs conduct and comments make me believe they think it is a possibility. I'm not entirely certain whether they suspect this or if it's just a convenient explanation.

 

[stwpoke92]

I totally agree with what you are saying here! When has getting a lawyer mean you are a Narcissist? I've said it before: He got a lawyer, lawyer says don't speak to anyone about the case (which seems like normal advice for a lawyer, IMO), the family goes to his residence and knocks on his front door, the guy says, "My lawyer says I can't talk about it." and they picket his house expecting him to talk. To me, that is not going to work. They have already printed pictures of him and put them on posters, have named him publicly when LE hadn't done that, they posted pictures from his sm site on their sites... I am NOT saying he is innocent OR guilty of anything -- I have no idea -- but I will say that he would be crazy to have spoken to anyone or to have gone on searches. The family is upset that he did not do those things, but I am just thinking that anything he could have said would easily be published publicly by family and friends. We have already seen how words have gotten twisted or misinterpreted. Heck, even on this forum, someone may post something and someone else takes it the wrong way and things need to be restated and clarified. If he went on a search and a random person says: "Hey aren't you the dude who was with her last??" and he says, "I can't talk about it. My lawyer said not to." and walks away, that random person could easily say: "Yeah I asked him and he looked all nervous and shifty and said his lawyer won't let him talk." That in and of itself is a good reason to keep quiet. But it doesn't mean he is the ONLY one who has information that would be helpful to the case. And it also doesn't make him a Narcissist. (On a side note, way back when the original post came up about the Narcissist, I really thought that poster was talking about HF -- ooopsie!)

BBM - Bingo!

 

[Le Singe]

I tried posting that theory on the WFAA-TV FB page after they had had announced the reward being raised to $25,000 and I was promptly told by a family member "THAT SHE DID NOT RUN AWAY!"

I have no idea what happened here And I would never intended to offend the Morris/McElroy families or any other family but I find that option is very common for families. I've even followed some cases here where the family members who have insisted there was zero chance the person had run of and argued and repeated over and over that they never would have done that right up till the day where their family members are found having run off.

Dropping everything in your life and running off is an inherently illogical thing to do, yet people do do it, so IMO it doesn't make sense to rule it out based on logic.

EDIT: I'm not saying this is what I think happened to her but just that the family and friends never think someone would have just run off so that alone should not be use to rule it out.

 

[ahintexas]

Could it just be loud music or the residents being too loud? Or would that fall into another type of complaint?

It would say noise complaint

 

[Doj1234]

search warrants are issued all the time in cases where it hasn't be publicly determined for sure if a crime has been committed, on random example that has been in the news recently would be hannah graham.

I suppose that LE could be keeping the crime concealed. From the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure Article 18.01- A search warrant may not be issued pursuant to subdivision (10) of Article 18.02 of this code unless the sworn affidavit required by Subsection (b) sets forth sufficient facts to establish probable cause: 1) That a specific offense has been committed, 2) That the specifically described property or items that are to be searched for or seized constitute evidence of that offense or evidence that a particular person committed that offense, and 3) that the property or items constituting evidence to be searched for or seized are located on the particular person, place, or thing to be searched.

 

[Eileen730]

I'm the spoiler btw...I hardly ever get out, being a stay home mom with a toddler and loving in the middle of nowhere. I saw it and posted about it, I did not give away a lot of info...I didn't think so.
It was way too......I did not like it. Let's just say that. As I don't want to say anything else to ruin it for anybody. I felt bad and apologized about it. But, I just wanted to let everyone here that is talking about it know, that I'm the one that ruined it! Oops!

LOL it was no big deal I said spoiler alert as a joke.
no worries.
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