GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #13 *Arrest*

[ptown]

Carlton I'm confused I saw Jonni on JVM saying CM and HF had just had a normal bf/gf argument that evening. I certainly don't think she would ever be untruthful so I would have to assume she discovered more? The comment at the very beginning on the Plano PD Facebook page from CM's boss alluded to more. But the time lapse still makes no sense? Just the fact of how much everyone says she loves her dog should have been enough to wonder why she didn't come home. Plus that she texted she was on her way home that night and to leave the door unlocked after at least 15 calls. I understand you can only say so much but that makes no sense at all that he had a reason not to worry.

 

[TCMom]

The elephant in the room, to me, is that Plano police claim they have "no evidence of a crime" - except that we have alllllllll these things that haven't been released / can't be released because it would jeopardize (possible) prosecution*. We don't prosecute non-crimes...

*Not an affront to you, Carlton, many others have said similar. I'm just reading the non-writing on the wall.

 

[carltondance]

He said since she wasn't his friend he didn't feel the need to walk her to her car. It's in the video portion here http://cw33.com/2014/10/31/enrique-talks-last-person-seen-with-christina-morris-finally-speaks-out/

You do raise good questions. I think we can not assume LE didn't look over other cars as well. We don't know any of that. Before the EA interviews we all assumed they hadn't looked at his car yet they had it for 11 days. I believe EA said his passenger side seat belt and floor mats were missing. So if they found evidence there, maybe that's why they kept them? I don't know.

We don't know who they have talked to and to what extent. What we do know from EA's own voice in various interviews is that he talked to the police 4 times and his brother 3 times. They kept his car for 11 days. His mats and seat belt are missing. I don't know what any of this means, would love to hear other's input.

If dna and other hair etc was found it would be kept. They can confirm it is in fact her families dna however if Christina doesn't have dna on file (most of us do not) then it could be held to confirm a match with her dna. All of that is my opinion and not fact. Merely a if/then scenario

 

[carltondance]

Carlton I'm confused I saw Jonni on JVM saying CM and HF had just had a normal bf/gf argument that evening. I certainly don't think she would ever be untruthful so I would have to assume she discovered more? The comment at the very beginning on the Plano PD Facebook page from CM's boss alluded to more. But the time lapse still makes no sense? Just the fact of how much everyone says she loves her dog should have been enough to wonder why she didn't come home. Plus that she texted she was on her way home that night and to leave the door unlocked after at least 15 calls. I understand you can only say so much but that makes no sense at all that he had a reason not to worry.

As far as HF goes, imo I do not believe he is responsible for her disappearance based on what I have read and seen.

 

[carltondance]

The elephant in the room, to me, is that Plano police claim they have "no evidence of a crime" - except that we have alllllllll these things that haven't been released / can't be released because it would jeopardize (possible) prosecution*. We don't prosecute non-crimes...

*Not an affront to you, Carlton, many others have said similar. I'm just reading the non-writing on the wall.

None taken tcmom, I fully understand your position
There is a lot of liability involved with making someone a poi/suspect as well as having evidence exposed pre arrest. PPD will not show their cards until it is time to rake the pot. They are very methodical in their approach to investigations and I can only assume they have a lot more info than they are letting on.

 

[cluciano63]

I feel sure that every known person to be with Christina that night has been interviewed and not just once.

I watch a lot of true crime shows, I admit, and follow a lot of cases. LE is always doing their job behind the scenes, often in ways we can't even imagine. They do not take a person's word for anything, they check it out best they can, especially alibis, and not just one time. Also, if they had BF's phone for a time, they can find out, I believe, when messages were received and deleted, even if they can't retrieve them, though I believe I have seen that happen, as well as deleted chat logs, emails, FB posts, etc. They likely did some work with EA's phone too and checked where he was over the long weekend, maybe checked others in this way too.

Also, with regards to media, I have also seen tens of dozens of cases where other than an initial paragraph, there has been zero media coverage, most often with men. Look at some threads of most recent college-aged males, compared to females. Males get very little attention, Imo, unless the circumstances are really bizarre. Young women disappearing after a night of partying is not unprecedented by any means, we have several cases here, some still unsolved. But LE does what they can, Imo. Christina has likely had much more than many, though it is never enough. I think this case is still very active, and that random predators may still be in the mix, if they really do not have a suspect.

All jmo,obviously.

 

[cluciano63]

If dna and other hair etc was found it would be kept. They can confirm it is in fact her families dna however if Christina doesn't have dna on file (most of us do not) then it could be held to confirm a match with her dna. All of that is my opinion and not fact. Merely a if/then scenario

LE quite often runs DNA for a missing person from a hairbrush, toothbrush and other items in an attempt to isolate the sample, to have on hand in case they find something to match.

 

[Seajay]

Ok, I'll ask. Those who have issues with EA and his version of the truth.....What do you think happened in that parking garage that night? It seems many of you think he did something. What is it you think he did???

I honestly don't know and I don't pretend to know. Everyone else's guess is as good as mine. TIA.

 

[carltondance]

Ok, I'll ask. Those who have issues with EA and his version of the truth.....What do you think happened in that parking garage that night? It seems many of you think he did something. What is it you think he did???

I honestly don't know and I don't pretend to know. Everyone else's guess is as good as mine. TIA.

Going to go out on a limb but I would be willing to bet that the only thing holding back somebody from being charged is the inability to know exactly what happened at their vehicles
imo
once again if/then scenario

 

[iluvmua]

Ok, I'll ask. Those who have issues with EA and his version of the truth.....What do you think happened in that parking garage that night? It seems many of you think he did something. What is it you think he did???

I honestly don't know and I don't pretend to know. Everyone else's guess is as good as mine. TIA.

Well, Here are my answers:

1. eitherHe took her and did something to her or
2. He saw somebody take her and either force her in a vehicle or she got into a vehicle with somebody.

JMO

 

[Woe.be.gone]

The records (unless the company is Verizon) will only show phone numbers and not the content of the texts. I believe it is Verizon that keeps the content of the texts, but only for something like a week.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2393887,00.asp

The above article is dated September 2011. Someone dug it up during another case and its been posted during this case too.

"... it can be as little as a few days or up to seven years, depending on your provider."

"AT&T, for example, retains information about who you are texting for five to seven years. T-Mobile keeps the same data for five years, Sprint keeps it for 18 months, and Verizon retains it for one year."

This info goes back three years though so, who knows? There is detailed info in the article.

What carrier was Christina's plan under? I hope LE moved quickly to obtain a copy of her records.

 

[cluciano63]

Also...thinking about other young women missing after a night out...Lauren, Kortne, Hannah and Morgan come to mind. Only two were found, Hannah and Morgan, both presumed to be victims of a serial predators. Kortne and Lauren are still missing, after 2+ and 3+ years respectively. The four young women were to some degree intoxicated by most accounts, Christina being the exception in that way, but in Korte and Lauren's cases, and to some degree Morgan and Hannah, they all seem to have been kind of let down (to some extent) by a friend or friends along the way, Imo, either by not thinking much of them going off alone into the night, possibly not answering texts, or in Lauren and Kortne's, seeming to know more than they have ever said.

Not blaming Hannah or Morgan's friends...they are young, partying, etc...both young women were likely determined to go off alone. But to me the cases show a common theme of of young people not necessarily thinking of the welfare of others as much as we might like, maybe due to naive behavior, a belief nothing will happen "here" etc. Kortne and Lauren's friends were 3-5 years older in most cases than Hannah's and Morgan's and yet LE seems to have gotten nowhere in their attempts to clarify exactly what happened on those nights even years later.

Not sure what I am trying to say, except there are similarities in so many cases and people act a certain way and appear guilty or heartless when they may be neither. But police do say, at least, that Christina's friends have been cooperating, while LE in Lauren and Korte's cases seem much more hesitant to say anything of the kind.

Jmo

 

[CookieM]

I feel sure that every known person to be with Christina that night has been interviewed and not just once.

I watch a lot of true crime shows, I admit, and follow a lot of cases. LE is always doing their job behind the scenes, often in ways we can't even imagine. They do not take a person's word for anything, they check it out best they can, especially alibis, and not just one time. Also, if they had BF's phone for a time, they can find out, I believe, when messages were received and deleted, even if they can't retrieve them, though I believe I have seen that happen, as well as deleted chat logs, emails, FB posts, etc. They likely did some work with EA's phone too and checked where he was over the long weekend, maybe checked others in this way too.

All jmo,obviously.

This is very true. In addition, they do not release information haphazardly. They often do NOT give information to even the family. You would think that they would tell the family everything since it is their family member, but they don't. Many times people think they have all the facts, when they don't at all. If law enforcement is looking into possible suspects, it would be unwise to tell family and friends sensitive information because that could damage the investigation. That is the frustration here -- we have very little as far as facts go. We have many questions. All of us see tons of things on sm that are seriously just rumors, and I've seen things that I KNOW are not facts, but one person says it and then five people take it and run as if it is fact. That is a serious problem.
There were supposedly 4-5 people at the apartment that night. Only one of those people has spoken publicly about that night (I say that because we do not know for a fact that SN was at the apt) so we have NO FACTS to go on other than what we heard in the most recent interview with EA. We have a couple people telling us they saw Christina that evening, but we can't even call that fact because in all honestly (and no offense to those posters) we have no idea who anyone really is on here, and both of the accounts of the evening's sightings totally contradict each other. And lastly, we only have TWO known people in the garage video: EA and CM. No one else has come forward saying "I was there!! I saw something!" So we can not accept the speculations of anyone as fact. We can't say where the cars were parked or how much time had passed or how many other cars were there or even what she was wearing because unless we were there, we are just guessing or imagining what could have been. If another one of her friends was there and was witness to the whole scene, then that's a different story, but time and time again msm has reported that EA is the last known person to have seen CM, so in my opinion we are stuck with simply a bunch of people speculating on what they supposed happened but no real facts since no one was there. We have no more information than we did when we first started in the first week of September.

 

[cluciano63]

Ok, I'll ask. Those who have issues with EA and his version of the truth.....What do you think happened in that parking garage that night? It seems many of you think he did something. What is it you think he did???

I honestly don't know and I don't pretend to know. Everyone else's guess is as good as mine. TIA.

If EA is guilty, I will be surprised. He couldn't seem less interested in her in the video, in my opinion. And his thoughts seemed elsewhere, but jmo. I know that is a lot to conclude from a few blurred seconds, lol, but he reminded me of having someone assigned to walk me out from work when I left at night, just doing it but not especially thrilled about it. I also don't think he saw anything, at least not that he kept back from LE, as I do not believe there is some scary reason he won't say. He may have his personal theory, but I would bet everyone does. I think he just went home. Maybe one day we will know for sure...jmo

 

[carltondance]

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2393887,00.asp

The above article is dated September 2011. Someone dug it up during another case and its been posted during this case too.

"... it can be as little as a few days or up to seven years, depending on your provider."

"AT&T, for example, retains information about who you are texting for five to seven years. T-Mobile keeps the same data for five years, Sprint keeps it for 18 months, and Verizon retains it for one year."

This info goes back three years though so, who knows? There is detailed info in the article.

What carrier was Christina's plan under? I hope LE moved quickly to obtain a copy of her records.

The vast majority of apps like fb, etc data log all of the texts and calls as well as location for advertisement purposes. I would be willing to bet all of the witnesses have had those checked or memo'd by ppd to hold that information in case a warrant is issued to pull it.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

:modstop: Stop with the girlfriend talk unless you have a link. There has been nothing in MSM to indicate such was going on. Link it up or let it go.

Salem

Oh, sorry, I thought the warning was to stop any talk about Christina's girlfriends. Oops!

 

[SaintGirl]

Well, Here are my answers:

1. eitherHe took her and did something to her or
2. He saw somebody take her and either force her in a vehicle or she got into a vehicle with somebody.

JMO

Ditto and I'll add:

3. Where there's smoke there's usually fire. There was never any focus in Fort Worth as far as searches go (at least early on, now we don't know where there are searches). I don't think her family has all the information, but I think they have a little. What would they gain from lying? Why would her mother lie that EA lied to the police? What would that accomplish? All MOO.

I know no one connected to this case. It's looking at everything with open eyes and seeing what doesn't add up. I agree there are things that don't add up with people other than AE but they don't seem to be a focus and don't seem to have raised as many red flags. MOO

I'm on no ones side but Christina's.

 

[Jjalexander]

Ok, I'll ask. Those who have issues with EA and his version of the truth.....What do you think happened in that parking garage that night? It seems many of you think he did something. What is it you think he did???

I honestly don't know and I don't pretend to know. Everyone else's guess is as good as mine. TIA.

only what if.... He had a gun and put her in the trunk of his car or gagged her and put her in the back seat and covered her up. The cameras would not have caught it. Who knows. Many things COULD have happened in a few minutes. I doubt this happened but what if?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

That is true I guess. Legal people would have to interject here, but I guess you are right that it would be considered hearsay if one of the people who was there told Jonni and she told JMom and then she told us. Only the first person telling the story (who was there) would be a valid source. That's how it works, right? Ugh. If that's the case then the only people quoted in media who were there were SN and now EA. So other than the video we have zilch.

You're correct - only the person who saw it or heard it directly can be a true witness. In some cases, exceptions are made but through formal channels. Here's where a real lawyer inserts case law to argue their point for what they want to be allowed.

It is hearsay if someone (who was present) told Jonni and then she told us. It is double hearsay (am I making this up or is this a real term?) if someone who was present told Jonni, she told someone else, and then that person told us. Think of the telephone game. Not to mention when emotionally involved, one can interpret info differently to fit their needs. It can be portrayed and interpreted differently resulting in a false version of events.

If I'm wrong, correct me. Rules related to Law are difficult to keep straight and are twisty imo.

 

[jnblsm]

I'd like to revisit the keys, if we could go back to our corners for a moment or two.
I wonder if any of her friends who were there that night can attest to the fact that she had her keys, or had in fact lost her keys.
If she did lose something, was it just her house key, or both?
Certainly if she had lost her house key and had no way to get into the house, she would have mentioned that to her girlfriend(s). And since the text (according to the interview that JM did with UptownDallasGirl) saying that she lost her key was at 3:36, this coincides with the time she were leaving the apartment.
Questions to answer:
Did she in fact lose her house key?
Did she also lose her car key?
If she did lose the house key and hadn't heard from her bf, how was she planning to get in (obviously he didn't respond to her text since he said his phone was dead... and come to think of it, if it was normal for them to go days without speaking, then why would she count on him even leaving the door unlocked?)
If she also lost her car key, why did she go to the garage? If her girlfriend(s) knew she was going to the garage and she did not have a car key, I would think that they would have said that from the beginning because that would have led everyone to believe that she either HAD to get a ride with EA, another person, or walk back to the apartment. Certainly this would have been reported early on.
If she did not lose her key after all, then WHY did she text at 3:58 that she had? Like I said, if it is normal for the bf to not speak to her for days, I would think that she wouldn't bother trying to incite anything from him. I used to think that maybe she was just trying to get his attention, but after hearing JM say that this was common, I have changed my mind.

I am intrigued that one text was sent as she left the apartment and the next text (the last before the phone was either shut off or lost power) was as she would have approached a vehicle int he garage.

imo, she didn't really lose her keys.
She was trying to elicit a response from H
Moo Imho