GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #13 *Arrest*

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  • #861
If I have time to get over there today after work I'll record it, it may not be until tomorrow though.




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Here's the route I took minus the uturn from Bishop to DNT - mine was a straight turn right and go but Maps isn't letting me drag it there! This one also went from the sushi place I was at though I couldn't get the location to stay on the garage without it creating a bunch of new blue lines. I circled in red where I got onto 121. Maps is saying less time though. Can someone do better? My computer isn't letting me do what I need it to.

It may have just been a fluke that it didn't take me 11 minutes. He could have hit every red light from the garage to 121.

Yes I see the confusion! That certainly is less than 11 minutes but that is where you ENTER 121. You would not be shown on any toll cameras until you either EXIT 121 or if you continue on 121 and pass through what is called a "main lane plaza." The first that you would reach while traveling east on 121 would be on 121 at Custer Road. The toll cameras would tag you there and you will still be traveling east on 121 you do not have to exit for that camera to capture a pic of you traveling on 121. You would not reach 75 (central expressway for maybe another 5 minutes or more)
I hope this makes sense!
 
  • #862
Yes I see the confusion! That certainly is less than 11 minutes but that is where you ENTER 121. You would not be shown on any toll cameras until you either EXIT 121 or if you continue on 121 and pass through what is called a "main lane plaza." The first that you would reach while traveling east on 121 would be on 121 at Custer Road. The toll cameras would tag you there and you will still be traveling east on 121 you do not have to exit for that camera to capture a pic of you traveling on 121. You would not reach 75 (central expressway for maybe another 5 minutes or more)
I hope this makes sense!

It does make sense! Glad that's cleared up, thank you!
 
  • #863
That is really helpful thanks, I followed the Heather Elvis case and nearby WSers dove the routes she might have taken and posted videos which was very useful to others. It would be great if we could see some video from inside the garage.

YES! And to add to that, Carltondance stated that someone has a diagram of the garage with the location of the cameras.
 
  • #864
My most likely scenario on this is Christina was intercepted btw leaving EA and her car. (Directly btw the separation point and her car OR she forgot where her car was and wandered toward a car or area where she was intercepted.) She didn’t get to her car. Event was quick. (Taser? It would explain why someone wouldn’t yell for help.) Perpetrator was likely a stranger. Or at least not associated with EA, BF, ex-BF or any of the others she was with that night.

I believe JM is correct with identifying the 3 cars going out the garage. That is a key piece that is needed. On that thought, I wonder if PPD has gone to the state investigators to see they can enhance the video? To the Federal agencies? FBI? Secret Service? NASA is supposed to have capability to do it and has been utilized in the past.
 
  • #865
Does anyone think it's possible that Christina accepted a ride from EA or someone else she knew in the parking garage because her keys were hidden from her or she really did lose them, then that person drove her to an unknown location where she was "jumped" by a group of people and accidentally killed? These people may or may not be from the group she was hanging out with that night but might explain the silence and secrecy from that night. I offer this scenario because this happened to my cousin at this age.
 
  • #866
Yeah.....it should be easy reviewing the video surveillance of those few cars leaving at that time. CM's car should be seen leaving the garage right before or after EA's very distinctive car. Was it? If not, why?
Was she inside one of those other cars leaving?
Could she have left in her own car & someone else parked it back in the same spot at a later time?

What is the DNA results of CM's car (handles, dashboard) or anyone else's vehicle for that matter?

Why so many questions?
Why so much silence?
 
  • #867
Does anyone think it's possible that Christina accepted a ride from EA or someone else she knew in the parking garage because her keys were hidden from her or she really did lose them, then that person drove her to an unknown location where she was "jumped" by a group of people and accidentally killed? These people may or may not be from the group she was hanging out with that night but might explain the silence and secrecy from that night. I offer this scenario because this happened to my cousin at this age.

I guess you didn't read any of my posts.
It's okay.

Sorry about your cousin. Was jealousy the motive? Love triangle?
 
  • #868
Yes I see the confusion! That certainly is less than 11 minutes but that is where you ENTER 121. You would not be shown on any toll cameras until you either EXIT 121 or if you continue on 121 and pass through what is called a "main lane plaza." The first that you would reach while traveling east on 121 would be on 121 at Custer Road. The toll cameras would tag you there and you will still be traveling east on 121 you do not have to exit for that camera to capture a pic of you traveling on 121. You would not reach 75 (central expressway for maybe another 5 minutes or more)
I hope this makes sense!

I just pulled up directions from the garage to Custer Road at 121 and it said the esimated time given current traffic was 8 minutes. I would think reaching that toll in 6-7 minutes given that early morning time would be plausible. It would seem 11 minutes would be a bit long unless he sat in his car for a about 5 minutes before actually leaving which is possible/likely (playing with phone, getting comfortable, making a call, etc) but then that would be 5 minutes of him sitting in the garage and not "seeing" what happened to CM. I can understand why the family believes he "has to" know more than he is saying.

I really wish we had a diagram of where the 2 cars were parked in relation to each other. I feel like that little piece of information might clear up some of the "what did he really see" issue. A surveilence picture would be better but I would be satisfied with a simple hand drawn diagram from LE!
 
  • #869
The combination of all the great sleuthing done on here and carltondance's information lead me to believe that Christina was set up. All of this is MOO....I think that as the night progressed and while they were in the apt, Christina got a bad vibe or felt like something weird was going on. I think that's what prompted her to leave. She used the going to get her dog thing as an excuse to leave. It's unfortunate that she and HF were also fighting during this time. Who knows how it came to be that EA left with her...either he offered or just acted like he was ready to leave because she was leaving. Wonder what his phone records show around the time that he left. Was he communicating with someone? IMO, he texted someone and alerted them that he was walking her to her car and they would be there in so many minutes...allowing this unknown person to get there before he and Christina walked into the garage. Plano PD said there were 3 cars that left that garage about that time, so there were other people in that garage during the time that EA and Christina were in the garage. IMO Plano PD is saying there is no camera footage because they don't want anyone to know what they know, so as everybody gives their version of events they know who is being honest and who isn't.

Once in the garage, I have no idea what happened...I waver between one or more persons forced her into a car to she went willingly with someone she made the mistake of trusting. IMO EA "delivered" Christina to someone who planned to get some revenge. This is all strictly MOO.
 
  • #870
I guess you didn't read any of my posts.
It's okay.

Sorry about your cousin. Was jealousy the motive? Love triangle?

I've read every post since the beginning just haven't posted myself yet. I apologize that I'm not sure which of your posts you are referring to. There's been a lot to read! My post was just an idea. Thanks for asking about my cousin. The motive was indeed a love triangle.
 
  • #871
I never understood in the beginning why they were having searches in Allen, I mean yeah they grew up there but at first that seemed to be the only connection. Now it makes a whole lot more sense. And I am sure EA was caught on camera 11 minutes later, this fact does nothing to negate the level of his involvement in my opinion. There are numerous ways to render someone unconscious in mere seconds and still be "on time" for the cameras, tinted windows and all. JMO MOO OMO etc etc etc.
 
  • #872
I think her ex b.f. was there
 
  • #873
I've read every post since the beginning just haven't posted myself yet. I apologize that I'm not sure which of your posts you are referring to. There's been a lot to read! My post was just an idea. Thanks for asking about my cousin. The motive was indeed a love triangle.

Well, I've been (& many other posters) have speculated that someone at the party took her keys & it was a set up. I'm surprised you've missed it. We are having a verified insider find out if her keys were found before she got into the parking garage or not cause someone on a blog claimed that to be true. We still don't have confirmation on that yet by a verified insider.

Once again, so sorry for your loss. Love triangles bring about so much anger & violence. May she R.I.P.
 
  • #874
Imo Christina looks very chilled out, not intoxicated, and not on guard. Not seeing someone who is alert to a "plot" against her. Jmo
 
  • #875
I'm not surprised that EA said they had little/no conversation.
IMO CM was busy texting and calling HF. Probably, the last thing on her mind was friendly chatter. She wanted to know what HF was up to. ALL MOO
 
  • #876
Right.....so why does EA say he doesn't remember what they talked about? No attorney would advise him to give that answer.

So is he afraid to say what they talked about? Why?

Not to make light of the situation but if I ate Whataburger at 4sm after a night of drinking, all that would be on my mind would be finding the quickest route home for private time with my own toilet! Fast food at that hour does NOT sit well with me! I'd be lucky to make it home! Lol
 
  • #877
The combination of all the great sleuthing done on here and carltondance's information lead me to believe that Christina was set up. All of this is MOO....I think that as the night progressed and while they were in the apt, Christina got a bad vibe or felt like something weird was going on. I think that's what prompted her to leave. She used the going to get her dog thing as an excuse to leave. It's unfortunate that she and HF were also fighting during this time. Who knows how it came to be that EA left with her...either he offered or just acted like he was ready to leave because she was leaving. Wonder what his phone records show around the time that he left. Was he communicating with someone? IMO, he texted someone and alerted them that he was walking her to her car and they would be there in so many minutes...allowing this unknown person to get there before he and Christina walked into the garage. Plano PD said there were 3 cars that left that garage about that time, so there were other people in that garage during the time that EA and Christina were in the garage. IMO Plano PD is saying there is no camera footage because they don't want anyone to know what they know, so as everybody gives their version of events they know who is being honest and who isn't.

Once in the garage, I have no idea what happened...I waver between one or more persons forced her into a car to she went willingly with someone she made the mistake of trusting. IMO EA "delivered" Christina to someone who planned to get some revenge. This is all strictly MOO.

We are thinking along the same lines LC446
 
  • #878
Well, I've been (& many other posters) have speculated that someone at the party took her keys & it was a set up. I'm surprised you've missed it. We are having a verified insider find out if her keys were found before she got into the parking garage or not cause someone on a blog claimed that to be true. We still don't have confirmation on that yet by a verified insider.

Once again, so sorry for your loss. Love triangles bring about so much anger & violence. May she R.I.P.

OK now I see what you're saying! I guess I should have clarified that I agree with your idea that her keys could have possibly been taken from her. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I'm a newbie.
 
  • #879
Imo Christina looks very chilled out, not intoxicated, and not on guard. Not seeing someone who is alert to a "plot" against her. Jmo
I agree, I think she was taken by surprise. Though she was obviously very distracted by her love life that night, so even if there were obvious signs of a nefarious plot, I am not surprised that she missed them.
 
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