GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #18 *Arrest*

[Bootsctr]

Great.

We need a textual transcription of this. Is there one? If not, anyone busy? lol.

I'm working today, but within the next few days I can do what I can. Where should we start ? Thread #1 I'm ashamed I have not helped keep up with Christina's media thread.

 

[margarita25]

(All the lies to LE (per the warrant) are really troubling)

 

[Bootsctr]

Also, just thinking we haven't discussed the potential of crime scene contamination (although we know LE said there is no crime scene) by Christina's father and a security guard getting in Christina's car. And, as far as I know, Christina's car underwent no forensic testing? Seems at least fingerprinting should have been done inside and out - just in case - cover all bases type of scenario.

 

[JnRyan]

So, I always say "I wanna know what this guy eats for breakfast" when referring to a potential perp. In this thread I will have to add "Other than whataburger, I want to know what this guy eats for breakfast." :biggrin:


Seriously though, in HG's threads we talked about potential fishing holes where JM liked to fish, past work locations, etc.

So, IF IF IF EA had anything to do with CM's disappearance, where is the crime scene? What is the disposal site and method? This goes back to the mindset and awareness space of the potential perp, imo.

And if he didn't have anything to do with it, then what? She could be anywhere.

And if he didn't have anything to do with it, then what? She could be anywhere. [/QUOTE]

In the case of JM - I assume you are speaking about the Hannah Graham case - I believe we were dealing with an experienced criminal. By experienced I mean he had assaulted women before. He was in the process of choking his 2005 rape victim when someone came along and scared him off. He killed Morgan Harrington and put her body in a place where he could get to and not be seen from the road and her body wouldn't be found for a while. Same with Hannah Graham. In short, he already knew about these places in advance.

In this case, I don't believe that if Christina is no longer with us that it was premeditated. (I know you weren't comparing JM to EA, but I am using it since it was brought up.) If EA is the one, he is not experienced at this. He had no plan. He would probably believe he has very little time. If he is parked on the shoulder he either hides whatever he has to and gets back to his car as soon as possible. The evidence or Christina may not be far from the crime scene. Maybe only yards away. He has to do it in the dark.

I think if he committed the crime it isn't far from where he lives. It's the area where he would have committed the crime and it is the area he probably knows best. He would be a nervous wreck for the 4 days until she is reported missing. Then he has to wonder: What did I leave behind at the scene? What if it is easier to find in the day time than at night? I wish I had known I would have had more time to hide evidence. Assuming he did it, of course.

I hunted and fished for years by the time I was 23 years old. I knew of places where I could hide evidence and it wouldn't be found for some time. I haven't hunted in years and live in another area. I try to think where I would hide a body now and even with a calm mind and plenty of time to plan I'm at a loss. I want some place I can get to in without a 4-wheel drive and not be seen from the road. I don't want houses nearby where I might be seen or heard. I want someplace I can get to in an hour before the sun comes up. I can't come up with good places. And it isn't like we don't have rural areas near my city. And I ride miles of them on bicycle - daily in the spring thru the summer.

If EA did this, he has made many mistakes and I believe LE has uncovered some that they haven't told us about yet. JM was an experienced predator and he got caught. Whoever did this will be caught as well.

 

[margarita25]

Thank you for quoting, bringing this forward!

Great article.
"At this point, perhaps the best path to solving this particular murder rests with the ability of law enforcement’s geographic profilers to identify the killer’s awareness space, which is defined as that geographic area that individuals have become familiar with over their lifetime. It is composed of those places that have been incorporated into a person’s memory by repeated exposure."

"A person’s, including a criminal’s, awareness space is centered around those locations that are most important to them, starting with their home and including other locations such as work, a friend’s house, the primary stores where they shop, favorite walking paths, etc. It is also composed of the transportation corridors used to connect those locations to one another."

"This is because when it comes to operating in our comfort zones, criminals, even sociopaths who murder children, have been found to be just like the rest of us. We tend to operate within the areas that we know best."

 

[margarita25]

Another thing to note, is if EA did this, if it is his first crime (factors into whether he is an experienced and organized vs disorganized perp, and possible elements re: disposal).

For those who think EA is guilty, do you think this was his first crime?

 

[JnRyan]

Another thing to note, is if EA did this, if it is his first crime (factors into whether he is an experienced and organized vs disorganized perp, and possible elements re: disposal).

For those who think EA is guilty, do you think this was his first crime?

If he did, yes, I do. At least of this magnitude. Just too many dumb lies. He hasn't thought it all out.

 

[mcluver23]

For those of us that are too far away to help with search efforts, but checking our sites obsessively for new info; I thought this was an interesting article.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/tech/2014/11/21/cell-phone-security-imsi-catcher-crypto-phone/19367523/

 

[txyorkiemom]

Also, just thinking we haven't discussed the potential of crime scene contamination (although we know LE said there is no crime scene) by Christina's father and a security guard getting in Christina's car. And, as far as I know, Christina's car underwent no forensic testing? Seems at least fingerprinting should have been done inside and out - just in case - cover all bases type of scenario.

Why would CM's car not be treated and secured for possible evidence?? The car sat there for 4 days allegedly ... could the perp have gone back to the garage to see if they could put items in or remove items?? What if there was like a gps or receipts ,notepad that could have provided clues as to her movements leading up to arriving for the girls night out???

 

[margarita25]

My guess is whatever happened, happened around 4:30, with relation to location.
So, if he headed in the same direction (northbound from SRT/Custer), where would that out him around 4:30?

Everything is jmo.

 

[margarita25]

For those of you who think SA might be the motive here, where do you think the act took place?

Do you think she left with him willingly, or do you think she was incapacitated/restrained from the start?

 

[cindyrella7767]

And if he didn't have anything to do with it, then what? She could be anywhere.

In the case of JM - I assume you are speaking about the Hannah Graham case - I believe we were dealing with an experienced criminal. By experienced I mean he had assaulted women before. He was in the process of choking his 2005 rape victim when someone came along and scared him off. He killed Morgan Harrington and put her body in a place where he could get to and not be seen from the road and her body wouldn't be found for a while. Same with Hannah Graham. In short, he already knew about these places in advance.

In this case, I don't believe that if Christina is no longer with us that it was premeditated. (I know you weren't comparing JM to EA, but I am using it since it was brought up.) If EA is the one, he is not experienced at this. He had no plan. He would probably believe he has very little time. If he is parked on the shoulder he either hides whatever he has to and gets back to his car as soon as possible. The evidence or Christina may not be far from the crime scene. Maybe only yards away. He has to do it in the dark.

I think if he committed the crime it isn't far from where he lives. It's the area where he would have committed the crime and it is the area he probably knows best. He would be a nervous wreck for the 4 days until she is reported missing. Then he has to wonder: What did I leave behind at the scene? What if it is easier to find in the day time than at night? I wish I had known I would have had more time to hide evidence. Assuming he did it, of course.

I hunted and fished for years by the time I was 23 years old. I knew of places where I could hide evidence and it wouldn't be found for some time. I haven't hunted in years and live in another area. I try to think where I would hide a body now and even with a calm mind and plenty of time to plan I'm at a loss. I want some place I can get to in without a 4-wheel drive and not be seen from the road. I don't want houses nearby where I might be seen or heard. I want someplace I can get to in an hour before the sun comes up. I can't come up with good places. And it isn't like we don't have rural areas near my city. And I ride miles of them on bicycle - daily in the spring thru the summer.

If EA did this, he has made many mistakes and I believe LE has uncovered some that they haven't told us about yet. JM was an experienced predator and he got caught. Whoever did this will be caught as well.[/QUOTE]

I believe your right, hence the new search in Allen and I do believe sooner than later we'll have some more insight. EA might not be 100% the option all are considering, but considering a few things I've heard at fundraisers and such, it's not likely it could be anyone else. I hope the other news comes out or is open for discussion soon. Your privy to hearing and knowing more when present and I am appreciate of JMOM and Carltonsance as they are well aware of what can and can't be discussed and are able to handle in a manner We may not agree with because they can't come out and say and now I have a better understanding why!

 

[margarita25]

(Cindyrella, pls fix quote by adding opening quote tag )

 

[margarita25]

At this point, I'm going with shallow grave somewhere off the freeway in the direction he was traveling (NB from SRT/Custer) about 10 to 20 minutes out, maybe a mile or 2 off the freeway).

Or a couple miles from his house somewhere.

Everything is jmo

 

[Bootsctr]

For those of us that are too far away to help with search efforts, but checking our sites obsessively for new info; I thought this was an interesting article.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/tech/2014/11/21/cell-phone-security-imsi-catcher-crypto-phone/19367523/

Thank you mcluver23! Great article with lots of information. Putting that one in my cell phone information file for sure. Gotta read that one several times.

 

[CatsInTheCradle]

So, I always say "I wanna know what this guy eats for breakfast" when referring to a potential perp. In this thread I will have to add "Other than whataburger, I want to know what this guy eats for breakfast." :biggrin:


Seriously though, in HG's threads we talked about potential fishing holes where JM liked to fish, past work locations, etc.

So, IF IF IF EA had anything to do with CM's disappearance, where is the crime scene? What is the disposal site and method? This goes back to the mindset and awareness space of the potential perp, imo.

And if he didn't have anything to do with it, then what? She could be anywhere.

I know you have asked about his hobbies, interests, etc. several times. I think you make a good point in trying to ascertain where he is most comfortable, where his hang-outs are, etc. We actually do know very little about him IMO.

 

[hibiscus31]

And FTR, I am totally down with discussing all possibilities, and not just EA.

In the beginning threads there was a lot of this---links to rsos, attempted abductions, etc.

Yes, and I think the reason many of us have changed our focus is because new info has come out. With new info comes a reevaluation of everything...at least, for me it does. Initially I suspected HF, I even pondered suicide at one point. But we have new information which pointed me in another direction. If other new info comes out, like I said, I might change my mind again. I am not sure why it is hard for some to accept why some of us are mainly suspicious of EA. I'm not trying to be rude, but really, what makes you think we are reaching here? My mind is STILL open to new information. Just haven't seen anything that moved my meter yet.

And I am interested in an open discussion, but hardly anyone ever answers my questions to allow us to toss theories back and forth. I don't think having a debate is a bad thing...but give me reasons for your beliefs and we can toss ideas back and forth.

 

[hibiscus31]

I know you have asked about his hobbies, interests, etc. several times. I think you make a good point in trying to ascertain where he is most comfortable, where his hang-outs are, etc. We actually do know very little about him IMO.

I think this is a great point, too. I know in hannah Graham's case, we knew a little about the alleged peeps background and hobbies. It would be nice to know more background on all of the players here.

 

[hibiscus31]

For those of you who think SA might be the motive here, where do you think the act took place?

Do you think she left with him willingly, or do you think she was incapacitated/restrained from the start?

If that happened, IMO, she left with him willingly believing he was taking her wherever she had requested to go, and something started in the car and was continued outside of the car.

 

[mcluver23]

http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/story/27432246/paradise-white-dismantles-texas-to-memphis-drug-ring

A reminder that behind the scenes of recreational drug use is a long, winding road of criminal activity - from TX to Memphis.