GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #18 *Arrest*

[hibiscus31]

I believe that it was HF that Carlton said went to Plano. Until he misses an open shot, I'm going with what Carlton says.

The things that I've read about EA have been negative. I see him as a guy who is working through the realization of NOT being the apple of his fathers eye, that of course is his brother, the college athlete. Just look at the picture of their family, the tweets by the father, etc.. EA, IMO, either snapped because he had pent up aggression and frustration or he was a budding pharmacist and he didn't take CM's 95#'s into consideration when mixing an rx cocktail.

Ah, ok. I misread that then. Thanks for clarifying!

 

[Baseball27]

Since there has been zero trace of CM, do you think maybe EA has her hidden somewhere indoors? Like a storage unit or abandoned house. Just trying to think outside the box a little bit. Does EA or his family have a storage unit in the Allen area? I bet those places have video cameras going 24/7 and would be able to pick up his car coming and going.

 

[zippixx]

I'm not sure I understand what EA's friends or family are supposed to be defending since he hasn't been accused or charged with harming Christina. Also, imo, not everyone seeks the attention of being on tv etc.

If I was in EA's position and was innocent, I would be proclaiming my innocence LOUDLY to anyone that would listen. And I would urge my friends to do the same. I would welcome media attention to get my side of the story out there.. but again, that's just me & also JMO...

 

[hibiscus31]

Jennifer, your theory would probably be my second guess behind EA being the sole perpetrator. One thing that doesn't make a lot of sense to me yet is some kind of plot by multiple people.

 

[hibiscus31]

I'm not sure I understand what EA's friends or family are supposed to be defending since he hasn't been accused or charged with harming Christina. Also, imo, not everyone seeks the attention of being on tv etc.

Ok, but again, this could apply in the reverse. The same could be said for the friends not speaking out publicly for Christina. For all we know, maybe they are cooperating with police and we, the media, and CM's family do not know about all of that. Those people are not obligated to tell us, the media, or CMs family anything about that night. Would communicating with her family be nice and the right thing to do, absolutely. Do I think it makes them look suspicious that they are not? Yes, it does. Does it look odd that EA is not getting support either? Yes, to me, it does. This scenario works both ways.

My theory for the lack of info coming from the friends revolves around unrelated activity that they want to keep in the dark. Maybe that's why they are not supporting EA either...who knows. But the fact is, they aren't really speaking out at all...adding support to neither of our theories.

 

[catpatrol]

I'm not sure I understand what EA's friends or family are supposed to be defending since he hasn't been accused or charged with harming Christina. Also, imo, not everyone seeks the attention of being on tv etc.

I wouldn't say he hasn't been accused. He hasn't been charged. There's a reason he did an interview talking about how he and his family have been threatened.

 

[txyorkiemom]

I'm not sure I understand what EA's friends or family are supposed to be defending since he hasn't been accused or charged with harming Christina. Also, imo, not everyone seeks the attention of being on tv etc.

Yes, He needs to be
A. Named as Suspect or POI in Disappearance of CM
that can be done with lock stock credible evidence ..since they only have one shot at this ..if he is the one ..then it needs to stick

Right Now his POI status is based on the belief or allegations of the misdemeanor of Interference of Public Duty - yet No Charge or Arrest

 

[frisson]

If I was in EA's position and was innocent, I would be proclaiming my innocence LOUDLY to anyone that would listen. And I would urge my friends to do the same. I would welcome media attention to get my side of the story out there.. but again, that's just me & also JMO...

I see your point. As far as I recall, he tried that. And see what that got him. Now he's taking advice from an attorney which is the right thing to do at this point, imo.

 

[Mamamerced]

And if he didn't have anything to do with it, then what? She could be anywhere.

In the case of JM - I assume you are speaking about the Hannah Graham case - I believe we were dealing with an experienced criminal. By experienced I mean he had assaulted women before. He was in the process of choking his 2005 rape victim when someone came along and scared him off. He killed Morgan Harrington and put her body in a place where he could get to and not be seen from the road and her body wouldn't be found for a while. Same with Hannah Graham. In short, he already knew about these places in advance.

In this case, I don't believe that if Christina is no longer with us that it was premeditated. (I know you weren't comparing JM to EA, but I am using it since it was brought up.) If EA is the one, he is not experienced at this. He had no plan. He would probably believe he has very little time. If he is parked on the shoulder he either hides whatever he has to and gets back to his car as soon as possible. The evidence or Christina may not be far from the crime scene. Maybe only yards away. He has to do it in the dark.

I think if he committed the crime it isn't far from where he lives. It's the area where he would have committed the crime and it is the area he probably knows best. He would be a nervous wreck for the 4 days until she is reported missing. Then he has to wonder: What did I leave behind at the scene? What if it is easier to find in the day time than at night? I wish I had known I would have had more time to hide evidence. Assuming he did it, of course.

I hunted and fished for years by the time I was 23 years old. I knew of places where I could hide evidence and it wouldn't be found for some time. I haven't hunted in years and live in another area. I try to think where I would hide a body now and even with a calm mind and plenty of time to plan I'm at a loss. I want some place I can get to in without a 4-wheel drive and not be seen from the road. I don't want houses nearby where I might be seen or heard. I want someplace I can get to in an hour before the sun comes up. I can't come up with good places. And it isn't like we don't have rural areas near my city. And I ride miles of them on bicycle - daily in the spring thru the summer.

If EA did this, he has made many mistakes and I believe LE has uncovered some that they haven't told us about yet. JM was an experienced predator and he got caught. Whoever did this will be caught as well.[/QUOTE]

Polly Klass's murderer simply dumped her body in vegetation about 10 yards off a frontage road that was very visible from the freeway it paralleled. So close to a small town and right next to a major N. Californian freeway. I can't recall how long it took to find her, but it was a while.

 

[Mamamerced]

Yes, and I think the reason many of us have changed our focus is because new info has come out. With new info comes a reevaluation of everything...at least, for me it does. Initially I suspected HF, I even pondered suicide at one point. But we have new information which pointed me in another direction. If other new info comes out, like I said, I might change my mind again. I am not sure why it is hard for some to accept why some of us are mainly suspicious of EA. I'm not trying to be rude, but really, what makes you think we are reaching here? My mind is STILL open to new information. Just haven't seen anything that moved my meter yet.

And I am interested in an open discussion, but hardly anyone ever answers my questions to allow us to toss theories back and forth. I don't think having a debate is a bad thing...but give me reasons for your beliefs and we can toss ideas back and forth.

I'm in complete agreement. Plus, I feel that so many if the "what-if" scenarios are just diversionary, or products of active imaginations with no factual basis for guidelines.

 

[cindyrella7767]

(Cindyrella, pls fix quote by adding opening quote tag )

I tried looks like it was that way from previous person and when I added it didn't fix. Wonder why?

 

[zippixx]

I haven't heard anything about PPD searches the last couple of days. Anybody know?

 

[Runtscal]

I have approached the scenario with her walking alone (no EA at all) to her car. With the camera coverage seeming sketchy and/or not great, could she have been grabbed and taken down a stairwell, put into another car that did not leave the garage until much later the next day & just because someone is "security" doesn't mean they don't commit crimes (I thought I saw where they cleared the other cars because they were security). I have tried & tried to think of plausible way CM would have left the garage and my thoughts keep coming back to leaving with EA in the car. I think she felt comfortable enough to go. I don't think she had any intention of doing anything but getting home. If there were drugs involved earlier in the evening, I think at the 3:30am -4am point, that was over. Both seem very stable walking in the garage. Shift back to EA and the car - "If" he vacuumed & cleaned his car the next morning, to me that is very weird even if you are obsessed with your car. Who's first instinct the next morning after a hard night of partying, no or little sleep and a hangover would be to turn on a vacuum or scrub their car? Also, I am a mom of 6 girls with only a 14 year old left at home. No matter where she is, she is on her phone and always knows that she only has "x"% left on her battery. She immediately uses her charger or borrows one before it goes dead. It is likely that CM zapped her battery life texting HF, but I believe someone would have been able to provide her the means to charge her phone. Also, if she lost her keys during the course of the night, I am certain that the others would have known and possibly helped look for them. She would have said, hey has anyone seen my keys, I think I left my keys at 'x's. EA may have found & kept the keys and then offered the ride. We still don't know if she didn't have car keys or just a house key. But most people keep them together on one ring. I think EA was supposed to be taking her to her Dad's. Just because she said leave the door open didn't mean she was coming home to FTW right then. She may have known that HF had to work in the am and didn't want to be locked out when she did arrive. Does anyone know if the dent in is car was shown on any video of him entering the garage? If he got the damage fixed so quickly, when did he call the garage? Most body repair shops don't get you in right away. If he didn't have money for a phone of his own, then how did he pay for the repairs? Drug sales? My theory on the car damage "if" it happened that morning is that CM realized that he was not taking her the right way and she grabbed the wheel causing him to hit something. If so, he may have lost his temper and accidentally killed her (when SA was the original intent).

 

[Mamamerced]

I believe your right, hence the new search in Allen and I do believe sooner than later we'll have some more insight. EA might not be 100% the option all are considering, but considering a few things I've heard at fundraisers and such, it's not likely it could be anyone else. I hope the other news comes out or is open for discussion soon. Your privy to hearing and knowing more when present and I am appreciate of JMOM and Carltonsance as they are well aware of what can and can't be discussed and are able to handle in a manner We may not agree with because they can't come out and say and now I have a better understanding why!

Thank you [modsnip] for sharing. We waited for many threads for information from the PPD. Before the information was released by PPD, we tossed around different scenarios. Back then we didn't have any VI's. Now we have information from the PPD and VI's. The PPD are unbiased professionals trying to get to the truth. It is hard to believe when we finally get information from PPD that it is steered away from the facts at hand. IMO....if I were legal council I'd get on here and steer away those getting to the truth..I'm not saying this has occurred...I'm just saying if I was defending someone and the PPD was getting to the truth I'd work hard in any way I could to get people to think my client was innocent. I'd set up as a poster and hide behind a computer to keep up with what is being said online. Unfortunately. I'd make a terrible criminal defense attorney. There is not enough money in the world to defend someone knowing he is guilty...not speaking about anyone in particular. This is all Jmo....I'm was just thinking out loud if I were an attorney...not pointing any fingers at anyone.[/QUOTE]


Yes, absolutely. WS can provide the perfect opportunity for trying out the defense's reasonable doubt strategies......see what resonates with the public (potential jury pool ) and what doesn't. I also can't help but remember the OJ trial where facts didn't matter.

 

[CookieM]

I believe that it was HF that Carlton said went to Plano. Until he misses an open shot, I'm going with what Carlton says.

The things that I've read about EA have been negative. I see him as a guy who is working through the realization of NOT being the apple of his fathers eye, that of course is his brother, the college athlete. Just look at the picture of their family, the tweets by the father, etc.. EA, IMO, either snapped because he had pent up aggression and frustration or he was a budding pharmacist and he didn't take CM's 95#'s into consideration when mixing an rx cocktail.

HF absolutely went to Allen High. I'd post his yearbook photo as proof but I know that's against TOS.

 

[Mamamerced]

I think the most "logical" thing that could have happened based on the evidence is that Christina left with EA intentionally for the purpose of getting drugs. Then she accidentally overdoses. (Is it possible that Christina could have taken drugs at the party, been fine walking to her/EA's car, then died of an overdose in his car?? Maybe she had a seizure or something that really freaked EA out and he called someone from the party??) I think EA's injuries would have been from disposal of the body and carrying the body and going into an area where he could have tripped on the brush. Could the damage to his car have come from driving off the road/over a curb to dispose of the body? The only thing I can think of that doesn't fit in this scenario is the alleged bite mark. But I take what his coworkers said with a grain of salt. If the bite mark was there when police interviewed him they should have seen it. Maybe the coworker was mistaken or caught up in the "excitement" of the police coming to talk to him about his former manager's possible involvement in a murder. Just my opinion.

What drugs would cause you to die from an overdose 1/2 hour or more after ingesting and you seem fine during that 1/2+ hour?

 

[txyorkiemom]

I already linked to an article where officer Tilley said he was aware of the bite mark...so PPD did in fact acknowledge it.

Yes they are aware.. but based on what I am reading from the affidavit documents
The "bite mark" was not reported till days later(near a week)when the co-worker was talked with.
I am not seeing any reports about that being notable in the affidavit by the affiant prior to the co-worker conversation.
I would think that would be in the affidavit since interviews began. JMO~

https://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/2...llow_share=true&escape=false&view_mode=scroll

 

[margarita25]

Yes, and I think the reason many of us have changed our focus is because new info has come out. With new info comes a reevaluation of everything...at least, for me it does. Initially I suspected HF, I even pondered suicide at one point. But we have new information which pointed me in another direction. If other new info comes out, like I said, I might change my mind again. I am not sure why it is hard for some to accept why some of us are mainly suspicious of EA. I'm not trying to be rude, but really, what makes you think we are reaching here? My mind is STILL open to new information. Just haven't seen anything that moved my meter yet.

And I am interested in an open discussion, but hardly anyone ever answers my questions to allow us to toss theories back and forth. I don't think having a debate is a bad thing...but give me reasons for your beliefs and we can toss ideas back and forth.

To be clear, I think you might be confusing me with another poster. I never said anyone was reaching here, nor did I say I did not believe EA was our guy. I just said I'm open to discussing all possibilities with those who have other ideas. I actually want to really dig into EA's mind/history, etc if he is the guilty one in order to help find Christina. I agree the emphasis has legitimaltely shifted/evolved in light of the new info (lies in the warrant, cleaning car, etc).

I agree with the part about questions not being answered here, as I mentioned that yesterday. Thanks to those who took the time to [modsnip]post their answers.

 

[margarita25]

I know you have asked about his hobbies, interests, etc. several times. I think you make a good point in trying to ascertain where he is most comfortable, where his hang-outs are, etc. We actually do know very little about him IMO.

Thanks, so what do we know about him in this regard?

 

[txyorkiemom]

HF absolutely went to Allen High. I'd post his yearbook photo as proof but I know that's against TOS.

I attest to this as well ... as well as his resume and numerous other types of head-shots