GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #30 *Arrest*

[Faithx2]

I've thought this after the Wylie woman was found in a private pond. LE didn't bother looking in water, it was a hired private company who ultimately funded that search and she was found. How terribly sad and maddening. I agree, water and the landfills need to be searched also.

O/T - I drove up and down that road Alma (the Wylie woman) went missing every day. It is a very narrow road and has a pretty sharp curve a little ways before getting to the private pond. There were no signs of an accident, no skid marks or even tire marks in the grass. (I never got out and walked and searched but from driving about 10 mph and looking on both sides of the street I certainly never observed anything). There is also a fence near the road and trees closer to the pond.

After finding out her vehichle was pulled out of the pond a month after her disappearance due to PI's using a sonar I went back to take another look. Sure enough the fence was still intact but one post seemed to have been damaged. Not sure how she missed hitting the trees either. You just never know and can easily overlook areas because you think if a minivan drove into a pond surely the fence would be knocked down or some evidence of an accident. IMO

 

[BaeMomma]

I am thinking his interviews just seem so innocent, and I couldn't pull that off, even if I practiced for a while. I would be too nervous.

^^ but we can't discuss that part on WS (in this particular case)....it's a very heated topic that is very personal to people around here.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

It was stated in the police report when CM's apartment was trashed and some of her belongings stolen.

Proof posted, post 95.

I think the point was to try to get inside the mind of the criminal....not to profile every person that takes adderall.... look around at other threads on WS, it's kinda what we do... try to understand the criminal.

Cookiez, respectfully, I understand that you don't want to get verified, but I can't understand why you think it's okay to share information about Christina's prescription medications and dosage.

The affidavits say nothing about which medications Christina was prescribed at the time of her disappearance.

The affidavit does point out CM was taking prescribed medications though.
For some reason, LE documented this fact.

"Affiant believes the backpack contained personal items people commonly carry when away from home such as wallets, identification, credit cards, cellular phone, prescription medications, . . .
Affiant was told by Detective Stamm that Christina Morris was prescribed prescription medications at the time of this offense.
Detective Stamm obtained this information from Morris' mother, Jonni McElroy."

(page 10 of 11, 1st full paragraph)
https://cbsdallas.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/380-s20141213-1enrique-dna-return.pdf

Kind of makes me wonder if Arochi tried to take Christina's meds away from her.
Or asked her for some and she chose not to give him any.
Since he was drugged up, maybe her refusal made him angry.

 

[Eight]

I like the way you're thinking, but way too convoluted stuff imo. Much simpler to take CM, already in his trunk, and use his car. Texas is NOT a "public transportation" place, and besides, the idea of taking a deceased body ONTO public transportation where other people are is the exact opposite of where someone would take one to hide imo.

It would certainly take some a lot of guts, but I have just noticed when people are big liars they seem to like to push things to extremes. I think they like to keep testing just how much they can get away with. They also seem to think we automatically believe them, that they have convinced us. Their ego's can grow quite large with more lies and lots of time, so I wouldn't be surprise at all because sometimes it just becomes a game to them. I have noticed people thinking he might be a sociopath, but the behavior of a sociopath is erratic, and non violent. The behavior psychopaths exhibit is controlled, but delusional behavior, lacking empathy and conscience. Psychopaths also are fearless, thrill seekers, and are considered to be dangerous and prone to violence.

 

[SteveS]

I'm having a hard time believing that he truly had 10 shots before heading out to the bars. He would have been so wasted and the bar security guards would have thrown him out, the bar tenders wouldn't have served him &/or called the cops for public intoxication. Plus we saw him walking on the video, walking in a seemingly straight line with his back and head held up relatively steady. I'm guessing that was his excuse or recollection of events but I'll never believe he was as wasted to be sloppy drunk when he left the pkg garage at 4am.

Unless he took CM and they went to drink elsewhere, then I can totally see all this happening.

Great counter-points ....

1 Excellent points on his inability to get in the bars, and also to be served, if he had the 10 drinks and was already impaired.
2 In Texas, couldn't have gotten a drink served elsewhere (cutoff is 2 am). Certainly don't envision them going to buy a 6-pack and guzzling it, either.
3 If we just simply assume the 10 shots were mostly bogus, then up to 5 beers starting at 11:30 would leave him very sober (BAC only 1.4%, a seventh of the legal limit), and that goes even lower with the consumption of a Whataburger or other food.

 

[SteveS]

Let me express my thoughts about other cars leaving the garage forty minutes after EA left the garage.
These are only my thoughts, a what if scenario.
What if one (or both) of the cars belonged to other people who were at PP's or with CM during the night out.
What if someone else drove to where EA and CM were waiting. This is only thinking on my part.
The timing and that LE mentioned the cars (now that we know they left the lot much later than EA did) sparked my interest upon learning CM and EA pinged back in the area (time coinciding with the movement of other cars in the garage).

IMO no real reason to theorize any of CM's other friends into some scenario with EA and his act of putting CM into his TRUNK.

 

[Faithx2]

^^ but we can't discuss that part on WS (in this particular case)....it's a very heated topic that is very personal to people around here.

Can we really not discuss it or are you being facetious (not sure if that is appropriate word, not my intentions to offend here)

Me personally I like to see everyones sides, opinions, theories, etc. Especially those who do not agree or see things the way I do. As long as the discussion is done in an open minded, courteous manner. We can agree to disagree. It gives insight as to when this case goes to trial who on that jury will believe EA and why. People's thoughts and opinions can be swayed based on evidence presented(for the most part, for some there is just no convincing or evidence presented in the world that could change that person's mind or opinion on matters). I personally have not reached the point that I would say 100% beyond a reasonable doubt EA is guilty, acted alone, and deserves the death penalty. This case has a long way to go before jumping to that conclusion and conviction IMO.

 

[zippixx]

I don't believe it takes brains or experience...just dumb luck. No searchers can look everywhere and he did not need much space, just a few square yards at most...she could be anywhere. Jmo

Yep.. and I would not be surprised if she is found, by someone not looking for her.. hunter... hiker...jogger... who knows when though.. unless it is a landfill, that hasn't been searched.

 

[Latestforever]

As someone with severe ADHD, which has led me to do extensive research on the topic, I feel compelled to point out that sociopathic behavior has *nothing* to do with ADHD. As for Adderall, I don't take ADHD meds anymore due to interaction with other med (affected my heart), but when I did, it simply helped me with increased focus for boring tasks.

I've met many people with ADHD through coaching groups over the past several years, and my experience has been of bright, goodhearted people with a great sense of humor, who simply need help navigating some of the demands society puts on us.

To summarize, I think it's misguided to focus on EA's ADHD as some kind of explanation for sociopathic tendencies. Sociopathy coexists with many conditions -- doesn't mean there is any inherent link.

JMO and IME.

My experience with people with ADD/ADHD (not including EA) is that they are extremely intelligent people. They usually think several steps ahead of people without the diagnoses. It is too bad that our society does not recognize the capabilities that they have. I totally agree that having ADD/ADHD precludes one to have psychopathic tendencies, it does not.

EA seems to be a compulsive liar which is a whole different animal, so to speak. MOO

 

[AudlyEnough]

You made me think in a very different direction, with this post. Thanks. Maybe not exactly to the point that you were writing about, but it was very helpful.

The part that stuck out to me was what I cited, especially where you used the word "sloppy." You used it as a point of his inability to be precise, and/or to need help. But it struck me in a way you didn't intend, I think - could he have been "sloppy drunk" so to speak, through ALL of this?

Nah, I thought. By then the 10 shots - which we questioned as to his ability to drive to the garage - would have worn off, I thought. And after that, he only had a few beers, 3-5 per his own account. By 5:30 in the morning, even if he wasn't exaggerating, all of that should have worn off, I thought.

So I checked it out. http://bloodalcoholcalculator.org/#LinkURL And it looks like he very well may have been sloppy drunk, even at 5:30! That calculator has him at 5:30 in the 18-22% BAC range more or less. (Not knowing exactly when he started drinking, not knowing how much he had to eat, not knowing if he really drank as much as he said, all of those impact the equation, of course.)

Note: the idea should be easily checkable. Ask the people who were at the apt when he left, as to his impairment or lack of same. If he had BAC anywhere like that, he would have been quite impaired, noticeably so. As a disclaimer, we haven't heard any claims or rumors that he was drunk off his rear at that time, so maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree. Still ....

If there's some merit, may we be looking at this wrong, in some ways? If this is actually the case, my main thinking-altering takeaways would be - -
1 Maybe the car wreck wasn't caused by a struggle, but rather by an alcohol-fueled crash. What if CM was then badly hurt and he didn't know what to do?
2 A long drive to ANYWHERE in the after-5:30 window would have been virtually impossible by him ...
3 ...as well as any sort of careful planning on how to deal with this.
4 Not suggesting he had help, but rather that he was very impaired. In THAT case, the choices begin to be narrowed, right?

This certainly doesn't absolve him of anything, as in this scenario he didn't seek help, he still put CM in the trunk, he's intentionally left CM somewhere and has lied to her family and LE about all that happened, and he's still a scary liar, in his ease in telling blatant falsehoods without a hint of deceit.

But from the raw details we've been told, I'm led to wonder if maybe him being VERY drunk throughout is part of the equation, and limits the possibilities a bit. Just thinking, wondering.

He had it together enough to be able to walk (seemingly) normally into the parking garage, according to the video, right? I can't remember how long the clip (of Christina and EA walking into the garage) lasted, though. Too lazy to look for it right now.

 

[Happyshoes]

I go back and forth on whether I think he had cleaned the car before 10:15; without having seen the video closely, it's hard for me to decide whether he was cleaning "missed" spots or whether he was cleaning stuff off a car that hadn't otherwise been already cleaned. But either way, I think "get rid of CM" was the first and primary thing on his agenda and something he probably did in that window of time.

If I understand correctly, the gas stop at 10:15 was around the corner from his house, so I see him (a) doing whatever from 5:32 to 10:00-ish, (b) heading towards home and stopping for gas at 10:15, having an almost-empty tank from going who-knows-where (c) home a few minutes later to clean himself up and get ready for work, (d) then he leaves about 10:40 and heads to work, a 20 minute drive to his work where he arrived about 11.

YES, on this! Her DNA is hopefully somewhere besides the trunk; I still wonder about that "unknown male DNA" though - just his, maybe? If he cleaned the car that good, whose could it be? If Christina was in the trunk (or as you say, IN THE TRUNK), then who was in the passenger seat? Why else would they take the seat belt and mats? I pray the DNA is as good as I'm hoping, so far it seems like all they have to go on. Yes, the cleaning products were "newly purchased" and I'll bet they have him buying them at Home Depot or Walmart, and they have the stuff from the trash (the note being particularly telling), so more is coming. At first, I didn't lean towards this case being a SA because there were so many other hinky factors in place w/drugs, people not talking, but after reading the affidavit, LE probably has it right. Those girls knew how creepy he was once the night was coming to an end. I think he expected to get lucky that night. Yeeesh! Creeping myself out.

 

[Faithx2]

He had it together enough to be able to walk (seemingly) normally into the parking garage, according to the video, right? I can't remember how long the clip (of Christina and EA walking into the garage) lasted, though. Too lazy to look for it right now.

Im being lazy to look too but I am sure curiosity will kick in and I'll take another look to see how long of a clip it is. I seem to remember he did sway closer to her at one pount towards the end but that could have been intentionally on his part IMO

 

[zippixx]

Im being lazy to look too but I am sure curiosity will kick in and I'll take another look to see how long of a clip it is. I seem to remember he did sway closer to her at one pount towards the end but that could have been intentionally on his part IMO

8 seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFoPqWXSy18

 

[zippixx]

Im being lazy to look too but I am sure curiosity will kick in and I'll take another look to see how long of a clip it is. I seem to remember he did sway closer to her at one pount towards the end but that could have been intentionally on his part IMO

He does sway a bit.. doubt he could have walked a straight line, if he was pulled over...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFoPqWXSy18

 

[Latestforever]

No, I don't think so. Anyone would notice an area had been dug up. Not to mention digging in the Texas soil is not easy. Especially in a built up neighborhood where the topsoil has basically been scraped off and sold. After a small layer of halfway decent soil you most likely hit caliche and digging a large hole would be no easy task. I say this after planting many trees in yards in a few Allen neighborhoods where I have lived. It wouldn't be quick or easy.

Great information that I was wondering about. Outside of Austin to dig more than 6 inches you need a backhoe because of the caliche.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I maintain that the Odoban was used for its "99.99% germ killing ability", not to actually cover an odor. This guy isn't a genius...I think he thought killing germs = killing DNA. Which would explain why he used such a large quantity.

Since LE states the DNA is consistent with blood or saliva, I bet they went Luminol crazy as soon as they had that car back in their possession and have even more evidence now.

 

[Faithx2]

He does sway a bit.. doubt he could have walked a straight line, if he was pulled over...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFoPqWXSy18

Thanks Zippix. Yes he does sway and appears to actually bump into her or make contact briefly. Christina is walking just fine and even appears to be looking or texting on a phone? IMO I know this video has been analyzed at great length upthread so wont go through all that rehashing again.

 

[Batman's Mommy]

The biggest thing for me in regards to the Odoban is that they did two trash pulls at EA's house, one on September 10th and one on September 24th. The empty gallon jug of Odoban came from the last trash pull on the 24th.

IMO, that Odoban was used sometime between September 10th and September 24th to get rid of an "odor." IMO, it wasn't in the car. As morbid as this is, several things come to mind: storage facilities, storage containers, large coolers or a deep freeze. I hate to think of any of these possibilities, but IMO, we need to be realistic about all of the possible options that could have been utilized to conceal Christina.

I pray that she is found soon! Prayers for her family and friends.

 

[Happyshoes]

Yes his interviews seemed innocent. No question. Considering how many lies he was telling, his "innocent demeanor" is scary.

I do agree the planned scenarios are much less likely, but I don't think his calmness verifies that.

I have to remind myself, knowing he's lying, that a sociopath has no conscience when lying, and could calmly tell whoppers while you and I had no clue. That's how they operate. If you watch EA in his interview, he never flinches even a little bit when he's lying. Chilling stuff.

Totally agree, SteveS. When I first came on board here, the first 2 things I saw were his interview and HF's sad little blurp. I felt HF was guilty of something, just wasn't sure what. Now we know he was dealing, etc. But when I saw EA, I almost felt he did walk to his car and didn't pay any attention to Christina. Of course, that was before I saw the LE's knowledge of cleaning his car, squeezing his trunk, he had been in a fight, he used the wet/dry vacuum at his office, then later we found out about the Odoban. It's a mountain of evidence IMO. I just wish she could be brought home to her family. AK is almost as bad as homicide, isn't it? He could get 99 years. If he doesn't tell, he's more of an egomaniac that I thought. And yes, to whoever said he was a sociopath (most of you). I think some people are born without a conscience - no empathy whatsoever. I always try to put myself in other people's shoes, I think it's so helpful and keeps that judgmental thing from going off too quickly, IFYKWIM.

 

[BaeMomma]

Can we really not discuss it or are you being facetious (not sure if that is appropriate word, not my intentions to offend here)

Me personally I like to see everyones sides, opinions, theories, etc. Especially those who do not agree or see things the way I do. As long as the discussion is done in an open minded, courteous manner. We can agree to disagree. It gives insight as to when this case goes to trial who on that jury will believe EA and why. People's thoughts and opinions can be swayed based on evidence presented(for the most part, for some there is just no convincing or evidence presented in the world that could change that person's mind or opinion on matters). I personally have not reached the point that I would say 100% beyond a reasonable doubt EA is guilty, acted alone, and deserves the death penalty. This case has a long way to go before jumping to that conclusion and conviction IMO.

Oh I agree 110%, I would love to discuss that. I tried to bring up EA earlier and it was like war war 3 broke out. So I'd love to discuss that since YES, you're right that is deff a huge issue that's going to be brought up at trial, as it is in all cases. I will happily contribute to that discussion, but I was just sending her a "warning" that its delicate around here, considering I just went through it myself.