GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #31 *Arrest*

[SeriouslySearching]

Wouldn't her DNA be on the rags?

Should be. Good thinking!

 

[SteveS]

I don't think people look at someone who has been turned down and instantly assume, "Now he's probably looking for someone (any female) to SA/rape."

BBM, yet we jump to that conclusion automatically.

Yes, I agree that the evidence offered in the affidavit is less than compelling - if taken alone - to actually prove that EA went from rejection to rape. For that reason, I suspect they have more evidence on this angle, but we'll have to see.

Without it, he's still a Kidnapper. He put her IN HIS TRUNK, and no way she was there willingly or because it was for her welfare. But I'd rather they have proof that makes it AK (if not SA, then a different element) so that this kidnapping can be punished properly.

 

[BaeMomma]

Ah, gotcha.

Do we have anything saying SN offered to drive her to her car? Not saying he did or didn't offer, but
1 not sure we can assume that the offer to keep her from driving to FW guarantees an offer to keep her from walking a few blocks
2 not sure we can assume his car was near the apt (which it would have needed to be, for the offer of a ride from the apt to the garage to be meaningful)
3 if EA was already headed to the garage, then it might have been seen as needless by SN (or by CM herself) for SN to offer to walk/drive CM there

Also, I don't think that the fact that EA was creeping on SB would have necessarily made them cautious about him walking with CM. I don't think people look at someone who has been turned down and instantly assume, "Now he's probably looking for someone (any female) to SA/rape."

I've thought about this & I'm sure I would have gone with him too. I would not have wanted to walk alone especially at 4am. Plus I think she knew where he parked, so close to her since they pulled in right together. They were with the same group of ppl that whole night and they were HS friends/acquaintences.

plus from the looks of her phone log, I doubt her head even looked away from that thing to be engaged with the group to even know what had happened between SB & EA.
Even later when LE asked PP about it, she even said she didn't think EA was interested in CM but only SB (& that's what I would assume too).

Even If he would have started cussing about SB being a B or whatever, I still wouldn't have been afraid of him. Prob roll my eyes and keep calling HF but not be afraid EA would attack me.

 

[Balor51]

Can anyone help me out, who or was it stated CM felt sick, and who stated she vomited on herself ? I'm having a hard time finding the posts . Just trying to add the correct info to my notes. TIA ��

 

[truetexan]

BBM, they're a day apart, not the same time, and from two different places. Not the same at all. JMO

......maybe EA went back the next night to party and got in a fight at bar. Maybe he was in the fight he said he was but on another night and got confused. Maybe the coworkers got confused on what day they saw the limp and him looking like crap. Just saying there may just be more to this then we see. It's possible. Not saying I believe it , yet but just saying I am open minded and willing to look outside the box. Not mention what can be argued in court. I honestly hope LE is holding way more cards than there showing.

 

[deeisnuts]

Can anyone help me out, who or was it stated CM felt sick, and who stated she vomited on herself ? I'm having a hard time finding the posts . Just trying to add the correct info to my notes. TIA ��

It was CD

 

[cluciano63]

It was CD

We never learned where the info that Christina had been sick came from, though. Who would be a reliable source from that night, I wonder?

 

[CookieM]

We never learned where the info that Christina had been sick came from, though. Who would be a reliable source from that night, I wonder?

Yup. Very good question. But then again, he was a VI an they aren't required to provide links. You know how that goes....

 

[deeisnuts]

We never learned where the info that Christina had been sick came from, though. Who would be a reliable source from that night, I wonder?

Right, the VI never stated which friend said it but CD told us.

 

[Latestforever]

Can anyone help me out, who or was it stated CM felt sick, and who stated she vomited on herself ? I'm having a hard time finding the posts . Just trying to add the correct info to my notes. TIA ��

I believe it was vi Carltondance that said that, I have been looking for the post, I haven't found it yet, but this post is interesting thread #16 post #393 the last sentence is CD response:
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Originally Posted by Momoffourboys
BBM

My husband does this ALL THE TIME. While, some may find this odd, I don't.
As he is filling up gas or after, he will grab the (filthy, nasty) squeegy and use it on one or more
Parts of his car. I don't get it. JMO.


Has he ever washed the door handle and edge of door as well as at the bottom of the trunk lid?

 

[Latestforever]

And found this, his response is last: thread #16 post #341 Still looking:

11-13-2014, 07:57 AM #341 carltondance
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Originally Posted by volcarm
Did she vomit on her shirt? Did the girl who was the apartment renter give LE Christina's shirt that she left behind?


Cant say...

 

[Latestforever]

Found this, thread #16 post#243:
11-12-2014, 05:45 PM #243 carltondance
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Originally Posted by JnRyan
This is a question for the VI's: As I understand it, Christina was going to spend the night at the apartment. She changed her mind. At about 0330. Do we know why? A lot of us speculated that the incident in the police records after 0200 had something to do with it but I believe Carlton cleared that up. It was not related to the party.

CD's response:

Unless ppd is doing a magic trick (wouldn't put it past them), that incident is unrelated. I do believe she wasn't feeling good that night as well as her and hf's disagreement. She could of been uncomfortable with all of alp's friends as well. imo all of that

 

[SaintGirl]

Going to bed. It seems my arguing of the failed Dez Bryant call has bled over into here. Good nigh. Peace be wih you all.

Haha! That's one reason I stayed off last night.

 

[Balor51]

It was CD

Thanks

 

[Balor51]

And found this, his response is last: thread #16 post #341 Still looking:

11-13-2014, 07:57 AM #341 carltondance
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Originally Posted by volcarm
Did she vomit on her shirt? Did the girl who was the apartment renter give LE Christina's shirt that she left behind?


Cant say...

If she wasn't feeling good to begin with, then on the ID show they had a waitress/bartender who waited on her at the last bar they were at who said she cashed her out and she had two drinks. Two drinks when already not feeling well could certainly cause someone to vomit. JMO

 

[Coldpizza]

Guys, discussing other members past or present is not allowed. Certainly discussing posts is fine, but not the poster.

Hope that helps :smile:

 

[catpatrol]

There's a new line item on EA's court records that is dated today (1/12/15)
I'm also seeing two PPD detectives names listed (Cathy Stamm and Robyn Busby)
I don't know if that means the detectives themselves have been subpoenaed, or if the detectives are subpoenaing someone else....? Any ideas?

 

[zippixx]

There's a new line item on EA's court records that is dated today (1/12/15)
I'm also seeing two PPD detectives names listed (Cathy Stamm and Robyn Busby)
I don't know if that means the detectives themselves have been subpoenaed, or if the detectives are subpoenaing someone else....? Any ideas?

For anyone wondering what Subpoena Duces Tecum means (I had no idea, so I looked it up):

A subpoena duces tecum (or subpoena for production of evidence) is a court summons ordering the recipient to appear before the court and produce documents or other tangible evidence for use at a hearing or trial.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpoena_duces_tecum

 

[txyorkiemom]

There's a new line item on EA's court records that is dated today (1/12/15)
I'm also seeing two PPD detectives names listed (Cathy Stamm and Robyn Busby)
I don't know if that means the detectives themselves have been subpoenaed, or if the detectives are subpoenaing someone else....? Any ideas?

Thank You CP !!!
Duces Tecum ... To compel to produce - Yes Gore is ordering to produce Under Penalty

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/subpoena+duces+tecum
Subpoena Duces Tecum- (Here we go folks !!)

[Latin, Under penalty to bring with you.] The judicial process used to command the production before a court of papers, documents, or other tangible items of evidence.

A subpoena duces tecum is used to compel the production of documents that might be admissible before the court. It cannot be used to require oral testimony and ordinarily cannot be used to compel a witness to reiterate, paraphrase, or affirm the truth of the documents produced.

Although frequently employed to obtain discovery during litigation, a subpoena duces tecum may not be used for a "fishing expedition" to enable a party to gain access to massive amounts of documents as a means of gathering evidence. The subpoena should be sufficiently definite so that a respondent can identify the documents sought without a protracted or extensive search. Moreover, a person ordinarily is required to produce only documents in her possession or under her control and supervision. A subpoena duces tecum may be used to compel the production of the papers and books of a business, however.

 

[Mamamerced]

If she wasn't feeling good to begin with, then on the ID show they had a waitress/bartender who waited on her at the last bar they were at who said she cashed her out and she had two drinks. Two drinks when already not feeling well could certainly cause someone to vomit.
JMO

It is possible she bought those drinks for others, not herself. Also, waitress didn't say what type of drink was purchased.