GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #31 *Arrest*

[cluciano63]

Jmo, EA's mindset as being sexually aggressive, or whatever, obviously came out after Christina was known to be missing and party-goers were required to think back on his behavior. Maybe it was not so bad that it was a topic of discussion, for instance, but certainly worth brining up later. I really think Christina was checked out and concentrating on HF. She probably paid no attention to Ea, Imo.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

DNA of just one "unidentified male" was mentioned, right? And the affidavit being for the purpose of obtaining EA's DNA - I bet we know whose DNA they figure it is.

I'm assuming the obvious, until we hear otherwise.

I'm unclear on that point. Of course his DNA would be there, it is his car.
Why would LE have to specify the male DNA found in the car if it belongs to the owner?
Even if LE didn't know yet that the DNA belonged to EA, once they obtained his DNA, they would have the answer.
LE had probable cause to collect EA's DNA based on CM's DNA being found in his car and the garage video.

I'm not following the logic as to why LE would have to specify "unknown male DNA" was found.
This was in the affidavit, right?
They would know if it was EA's DNA. Because we know they knew it was CM's DNA.

I'm seeing stars.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

Might not have been noticeable until you opened the doors & got in....

My question is can any amount of odoban remove the decomp smell

 

[zippixx]

My question is can any amount of odoban remove the decomp smell

I was only referring to expelled bodily fluids... I don't believe she was in the vehicle long enough for significant decomp odor... JMO

 

[BaeMomma]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...lano-30-August-2014-7&p=11013139#post11013139

As far as I can tell, the assault incident on Scruggs Way took place on August 31 at 2:32 a.m.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...lano-30-August-2014-6&p=10998385#post10998385

In the above link the date given for a disturbance on Scruggs Way is August 30 at 2:19 a.m.
Also the missing person times, 9-1-14 at 11:56 p.m., and 9-2-14 at 11:17 p.m.

I don't see a link to the actual police log within the posts.

Posting this now so we can try to figure out if relevant. These coincidences were sleuthed and discussed back in September.

corrected times to p.m.

I see a "found property" report taken 9/5/2014 (noon) in that same area, Elijah dr & Infinity Ave.
crimereports.com

I know LE says they have not found any of her belongings, but they also said EA was cooperating and that he wasn't a POI for 3 months.

 

[SteveS]

I'm unclear on that point. Of course his DNA would be there, it is his car.
Why would LE have to specify the male DNA found in the car if it belongs to the owner?
Even if LE didn't know yet that the DNA belonged to EA, once they obtained his DNA, they would have the answer.
LE had probable cause to collect EA's DNA based on CM's DNA being found in his car and the garage video.

I'm not following the logic as to why LE would have to specify "unknown male DNA" was found.
This was in the affidavit, right?
They would know if it was EA's DNA. Because we know they knew it was CM's DNA.

I'm seeing stars.

Look at it from the other direction, and I think it will clear up rather quickly.

They did not have his DNA when they searched his car. (And maybe this is causing your confusion. You said: "They would know if it was EA's DNA." But no, they wouldn't, as they had not previously taken his DNA.) They found male DNA and want to determine whose it is. The reason they would call it "unknown" is that, until they have a sample of his DNA, it cannot be stated that it was his.

In the sw to get permission to take some of EA's DNA and see if it matches, they have to provide a justification for doing so. "We found unidentified male DNA in our search" would be that justification.

Also, my guess is that they have other DNA places, that they prefer not to mention, and for which they would like his DNA on file already. (I'm thinking of the trash pulls, for starters.) This mention then allows them to get that DNA, without mentioning what else they think they have.

 

[SaintGirl]

I'm unclear on that point. Of course his DNA would be there, it is his car.
Why would LE have to specify the male DNA found in the car if it belongs to the owner?
Even if LE didn't know yet that the DNA belonged to EA, once they obtained his DNA, they would have the answer.
LE had probable cause to collect EA's DNA based on CM's DNA being found in his car and the garage video.

I'm not following the logic as to why LE would have to specify "unknown male DNA" was found.
This was in the affidavit, right?
They would know if it was EA's DNA. Because we know they knew it was CM's DNA.

I'm seeing stars.

You have to have a warrant to collect DNA, and if I'm not mistaken, that had not been filed when the arrest and search warrants were, therefore they wouldn't have had his DNA at that point. I also believe they obtained his DNA not too long after he was arrested.

ETA: Or maybe EA swings both ways. You never know these days (Joking, just joking...)

 

[MIKAYOYO]

You have to have a warrant to collect DNA, and if I'm not mistaken, that had not been filed when the arrest and search warrants were, therefore they wouldn't have had his DNA at that point. I also believe they obtained his DNA not too long after he was arrested.

ETA: Or maybe EA swings both ways. You never know these days (Joking, just joking...)

I'm not questioning your post, but this seems dumb that LE would not have obtained his DNA very early on, like with the first warrant for the car. Doesn't make sense to me at all.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

I was only referring to expelled bodily fluids... I don't believe she was in the vehicle long enough for significant decomp odor... JMO

I want to say the body immediately starts the decomp process (from following other cases) so if that's true and dogs can pick up on the scent, will something like odoban or bleach cause a cadaver dog to not hit? Honest question.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Seems like at the time, EA was her ONLY choice, to walk her.. but yes, she probably assumed he wouldn't harm her..

So at what point did she decide to call ALP and why did she call him?
The only time I have is when she called ALP at 2:57 a.m. (just an hour prior to her disappearance).
Someone mentioned ALP and CM actually spoke for three or four minutes. What time?
I can make out "3 min." call on the log prior to 2:04 a.m. but cannot see a name.

At 3:37 a.m. CM had an incoming call but the name isn't visible. Who did she speak to at that time?

Records show CM called SN at 3:43 a.m.

 

[zippixx]

I want to say the body immediately starts the decomp process (from following other cases) so if that's true and dogs can pick up on the scent, will something like odoban or bleach cause a cadaver dog to not hit? Honest question.

Dunno.. Honest answer..

 

[BaeMomma]

I wonder where his car was parked during that period of time? You'd think someone at his house would smell it (if indeed your scenario is accurate) if the car was parked at home.

I'm not sure where his car was while he was in a jail, but I remember reading here on past threads that his family was unaware that he was in jail. I assumed that he got arrested elsewhere possibly from his job, his car would have been towed to impound then he picked it up once he was released and drove home.

But who knows the true story on that? All just my assumptions here.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

1 Somewhere N/E past the 121/Custer intersection.
...As to exactly where, we don't know. (LE may have better info on this.)
...It is my belief they went to "get something" and it was together (ie, with her as a passenger). Quick cup of coffee, so she could wake up for her drive to FW? Some drug, for the same purpose? Some drug, for a diff purpose? Just guesses.
2 My speculation is that he was taking her back to her car, after they went together to Place X. Both "where did they go" and "why did they come back" fit together easily with one not-unlikely explanation.

I know we don't know or we would know. lol!
I wonder if near Custer is nearby anything else. Or, is the area just open space and road/s?

 

[cluciano63]

LE could ask for DNA at any time but the person does not have to give it, unless they have a warrant. It is possible they did not obtain EA's DNA until they had to goods to arrest him. Jmo

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I'm not questioning your post, but this seems dumb that LE would not have obtained his DNA very early on, like with the first warrant for the car. Doesn't make sense to me at all.

I'm surprised LE didn't obtain EA's DNA earlier too.
Since there was no body or personal belongings recovered, maybe LE didn't have a reason to collect his DNA earlier, that is, before deciding to search his home and arrest him (on the same day).

LE did mention the male DNA in the car though. So, I guess, they need to confirm it is EA's DNA (for the record).
The actual DNA charts, his and hers from their samples and then his and hers taken from the car, will go into the case file.

 

[BaeMomma]

Ok I need some opinions here.

I noticed on her phone bill, she didn't have any outgoing or incoming calls at 2:34am on 8/30
BUT in the Dec warrants, LE state that a pic of 2 keys was sent from CM cell phone to HF cell phone.

Did she have 2 phones.with her that night?
Or was it a time lapse of the bill vs the actual phone?

 

[Momoffourboys]

Ok I need some opinions here.

I noticed on her phone bill, she didn't have any outgoing or incoming calls at 2:34am on 8/30
BUT in the Dec warrants, LE state that a pic of 2 keys was sent from CM cell phone to HF cell phone.

Did she have 2 phones.with her that night?
Or was it a time lapse of the bill vs the actual phone?

I may be wrong, but, imessages do not show up as texts.

 

[ahintexas]

You have to have a warrant to collect DNA, and if I'm not mistaken, that had not been filed when the arrest and search warrants were, therefore they wouldn't have had his DNA at that point. I also believe they obtained his DNA not too long after he was arrested.

ETA: Or maybe EA swings both ways. You never know these days (Joking, just joking...)

No warrant needed if he volunteered a dna swab in one of his earlier interviews.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Look at it from the other direction, and I think it will clear up rather quickly.

They did not have his DNA when they searched his car. (And maybe this is causing your confusion. You said: "They would know if it was EA's DNA." But no, they wouldn't, as they had not previously taken his DNA.) They found male DNA and want to determine whose it is. The reason they would call it "unknown" is that, until they have a sample of his DNA, it cannot be stated that it was his.

In the sw to get permission to take some of EA's DNA and see if it matches, they have to provide a justification for doing so. "We found unidentified male DNA in our search" would be that justification.

Also, my guess is that they have other DNA places, that they prefer not to mention, and for which they would like his DNA on file already. (I'm thinking of the trash pulls, for starters.) This mention then allows them to get that DNA, without mentioning what else they think they have.

Yes, the light bulb finally went on. I think!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Ok I need some opinions here.

I noticed on her phone bill, she didn't have any outgoing or incoming calls at 2:34am on 8/30
BUT in the Dec warrants, LE state that a pic of 2 keys was sent from CM cell phone to HF cell phone.

Did she have 2 phones.with her that night?
Or was it a time lapse of the bill vs the actual phone?

I may be wrong, but, imessages do not show up as texts.

Man, so when we squeeze the text times in with the call times, the phone use is nearly constant.
Call at 2:30, text at 2:34, call at 2:42 a.m. - considering we may not know about all the text messages.