GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #34 *Arrest*

[Bootsctr]

Aweful. So sorry that you had to experience a man treat you like that. Unfortunately, abusive and controlling people are more common then we like to speak about. JMO

Thank you. Unfortunately, this type of dirty little secret is something a lot of women carry around with them and I wholeheartedly agree with your statement "Controlling people are more common than we like to speak about." Thank you for saying that too.

 

[Bootsctr]

Most hotels and motels I have seen have electronic keycards. I dont think I hsve ever used a key that lookes like a house key to open a hotel or motel door. JMO. But good observation it was not a car key in her hand.

Ooooh! I have an office key that looks very similar to those keys. It is to a security type door/fire security door. It's an unusual looking key, hadn't seen one like it until they gave me one to the office.

 

[Latestforever]

Well supppsedly Casey didnt act alone IIRC and that is part of the reason she is free despite all her lies. I too think EA is another Casey Anthony with all the lies. I have a feeling this case will play out similar. someone will stumble across Christina's remains and then he will come out with an accident happened that night and he freaked out and had help hiding her body. JMO

This is exactly what I think will occur too.

 

[Le Singe]

I'll suggest this and let you all know. :smile:

can i vote against this I think it kills the discussion. The tension on here is because we have one guy who is already caught and due to TOS no one else who may or may not be involved is allow to be discussed so that leaves nothing else to do but have passive aggressive nuclear world war 3.

No disrespect to anyone who wants it broken down it i just my personal opinion that I don't like it that way.

 

[Le Singe]

If I ever had a friend go missing following an evening she had spent with me I would get a lawyer so fast everyone's heads would spin, and I wouldn't give a flying fig if all you folks on Websleuths sat around talking about how guilty it made me look. There is NO wAy I would navigate that experience without the advice of a paid professional.

i agree with this or at least if they wanted to talk to me more than once or it became obvious they suspected me. I don't blame anyone for getting a lawyer or suspect them because of it (i reserve my suspicion for people with missing persons dns in their trunk ).

Beyond the basic criminal issue you could have civil issues and then if they LE or "others" start putting your name out there it can negatively effect everything from your employment to your personal safety. I would want representation to help me protect myself as much as possible with in the bounds of the law.

 

[Sweetgrits]

If EA is eventually convicted of murder, he will get life in prison or the DP, Imo. No murder that begins in the trunk of a car is anything less than first-degree and/or felony kidnapping (jmo).

Time passing does help "no body" cases, as Steve said. The increasing length of time a person is missing without financial activity, contact to any loved ones, verified sightings, etc can be used to help build a murder case. If indeed LE has a quantity of Christina's blood, that is a huge factor toward an eventual murder charge. And they don't have to rush with charges, he isn't going anywhere and LE can continue to hope she will be found in the meantime. But LE stating in court that they believe EA killed Christina was very eye-opening for me, as far as adding to my belief that they have solid forensics. They don't need a motive and we may never get the satisfaction of knowing what went on in those very few minutes before his car left that garage.

I see EA riding this out, proclaiming his innocence, possibly right to death row. Not all murderers confess, even for a plea. Sometimes, Imo, they just can't/won't admit their crime. Maybe he will get a chance for LWOP if he tells where Christina is...but it would not shock me if he refuses. I can see him playing the wronged victim all the way.

All Jmo, obviously.

I agree I don't think he will ever confess to LE, but he seems to me to be quite egotistical so I do believe he will talk about what happened to cell mates. He doesn't strike me as a person that will do well in jail so he will need some way to make himself appear tougher than he is, if nothing else just to keep from getting his whinny butt kicked by Big Bubba JMO

 

[brado]

Trying to catch up, loving the debate and open minds. I'm of the mindset that even if Christina brought party favors (to be sold or shared for free that night, at the end, somebody (EA) wanted more. Did she only try to get them from HF or ALP? Or did she want to get them at all or just go the hell home? Am I off on a tangent? Sorry, dinner and drinks, now it's midnight! Hubby hit the hay hours ago!

RBBM

I've wondered if robbery of cash or drugs was the motive for EA?

 

[Sweetgrits]

Here's my thoughts on how the couch scenario COULD have went down...EA was hoping to get lucky with SB (even if it was on the couch), she isn't interested so she gets up and goes to "a" bed in "a" bedroom. Now, I do NOT know how many bedrooms and/or beds PP has in her apartment but I am assuming IF she only has ONE bed, that SB went into PP's bedroom/bed and was going to crash with PP (since EA wouldn't leave her alone on the couch). So then EA gets angrier because his chances of getting lucky now are pretty much slim to none because PP would be (or maybe already was) sleeping in the same bed where SB went! How's that scenario play out? Is it possible?

This is the same theory I posted earlier so I think it's very possible. MOO

 

[Gigglingtoes]

It's possible she still loves him. You can love someone and stand by them and still not agree with the things that they do. However, I do have to wonder how the parents of all the young people who have died from the bad pills are feeling right now? Reckon they have a hang'em high mentality or will they let the wheels of justice prevail? Let's hope those poor people who have lost sons and daughters as young as 17 and probably younger that we don't know about take the high road and not the low, torture the hell out of him, pull his fingernails out, waterboard him, etc. to get him to tell the truth.

I do not think if I was Jonni I would love HF. I would feel extremely betrayed and pissed off. No trust. Def no love. But that's just me and I never probably would of been so trusting of him from the start, but I am also extremely skeptical of people especially once my kids are of dating age. But who knows how anyone reacts when it happens to them right?
Jmo

 

[SteveS]

So what could the keys have meant? I'm puzzled. We discussed code for 2 kilos. If we're talking sex trade, what would 2 keys mean?

IMO it meant, "I sent you a message earlier that I lost my house key. Now I found it. See?" :smile:

 

[Bootsctr]

IMO it meant, "I sent you a message earlier that I lost my house key. Now I found it. See?" :smile:

But, she really didn't need the house key. She texted him to leave the door open. Was it the hotel door she wanted him to leave open? :tantrum:

 

[SteveS]

Really? My experience is most men believe they are right and disagreeing can sometimes bring out the worse in someone who has been drinking. I believe most men tend to favor SA too, but that's just my experience ...

Sorry to hear that "most men" you know are like that, but I can assure you that the men you know are very different from most of the ones I know. Perfect? No. But willing to respect women, and not interested in atrocities like SA and violence? Absolutely.

As for CM, I don't think for a minute that the behaviors in play with her were "normal" to the general population at all. But I know relationships and people can all be different and sometimes weird, which makes it hard to say what is "normal" for that persons's life, when kibitzing from afar. I wonder, who knows, maybe she had a boyfriend like she did because she kept choosing guys who brought the drama, the edginess, the drugs, maybe she was looking for the ultimate project to "fix" and/or the tightrope act world. Some hate the drama, but others embrace it (and the endless texts and calls is certainly drama) - and those who don't do the drama have a hard time understanding "normal" in the lives of those who do.

 

[Steleheart]

At the moment I can't find a link to the picture of the keys.
CM sent a message to HF to tell him she couldn't find her house keys and after no reply she messaged him again to leave the door unlocked. Perhaps the picture showed 2 keys but not the one she needed?

My impression at the time was that maybe HF had removed the house key from her key ring without her realizing it, because he wanted her out? Maybe that is the reason for his delay in reporting her missing? Maybe he just figured she got the message and went with someone else?

Because what was the message to HF about "that good rock"? I got lost there but had the impression that EA actually sent it to HF.

I am not sure if any of this thought process makes any sense so I am reviewing the whole topic.
Thanks everyone!

:cow:

 

[SteveS]

Really? That does not bode well for us single ladies. Most men I know run from arguments, hate conflict. I theorize that's because they are usually in the wrong. (sorry SteveS, etc).

LOL I get so much abuse, why am I even here? :smile:

 

[TXDishes]

I can't seem to find a picture of the two keys!

 

[SteveS]

I can see that. But IMO hiding or trying to change perception of your daughter's lifestyle and going after the one you think is responsible for her disappearance are two different things.

I think - as I know a few others have mentioned - if Jonni had any inkling he was remotely involved she would have guns blazing in his direction.

Yeah, this resonates with me too. I don't see Jonni or Anna as concerned with "protecting image" even a millionth as much as "finding the creep who took Christina, whoever that may be." If they had any inkling, even a bit, that HF (or any other of her friends, for that matter) did something to her, I think they'd throw that person under the LE bus so fast it would make your head spin.

 

[Bootsctr]

RBBM

I've wondered if robbery of cash or drugs was the motive for EA?

Why would he or Christina text about "some of that good rock" if it was in Christina's possession? Wouldn't he just steal it?

•One phone call and two texts were sent from Arochi’s phone to Hunter Foster. One text stated, “Could I get some of that good rock.” Stamm said this suggests cocaine and believes Foster could supply this drug.

•Foster contacted Arochi days later, asking about Morris. Detectives found no previous contact between Foster and Arochi.


http://m.starlocalmedia.com/allenam...862-9de4-11e4-b48e-5765cf2b7e65.html?mode=jqm

 

[Bootsctr]

Sorry to hear that "most men" you know are like that, but I can assure you that the men you know are very different from most of the ones I know. Perfect? No. But willing to respect women, and not interested in atrocities like SA and violence? Absolutely.

As for CM, I don't think for a minute that the behaviors in play with her were "normal" to the general population at all. But I know relationships and people can all be different and sometimes weird, which makes it hard to say what is "normal" for that persons's life, when kibitzing from afar. I wonder, who knows, maybe she had a boyfriend like she did because she kept choosing guys who brought the drama, the edginess, the drugs, maybe she was looking for the ultimate project to "fix" and/or the tightrope act world. Some hate the drama, but others embrace it (and the endless texts and calls is certainly drama) - and those who don't do the drama have a hard time understanding "normal" in the lives of those who do.

Drama is very addicting! Some people have to have it in their lives every day or it's not a normal day.

From 7 y/o the men in my life have pretty much sucked and the people who protected them, father, mother, sister, grandparents, etc. al. Having a parent who is a user and will protect the provider sucks too.

 

[SteveS]

At the moment I can't find a link to the picture of the keys.
CM sent a message to HF to tell him she couldn't find her house keys and after no reply she messaged him again to leave the door unlocked. Perhaps the picture showed 2 keys but not the one she needed?

My impression at the time was that maybe HF had removed the house key from her key ring without her realizing it, because he wanted her out? Maybe that is the reason for his delay in reporting her missing? Maybe he just figured she got the message and went with someone else?

Because what was the message to HF about "that good rock"? I got lost there but had the impression that EA actually sent it to HF.

I am not sure if any of this thought process makes any sense so I am reviewing the whole topic.
Thanks everyone!

:cow:

Yeah, it's kinda impossible to make any strong conclusions, without knowing 100% of the exact contacts that were made - voice messages, actual texts, sequence, etc. All we have are selective snippets, whose content has obviously been edited along the way. (For example, the text about the "good rock" has been known to EVERYONE who had access to those texts, since day 1. So it wasn't a surprise to LE or family to hear that testimony! And that means, that info had already been considered and had already impacted the way they approached things since day 1. But we didn't know a thing about it before the hearing.) Which is a reminder - LE has a boatload of additional stuff we don't even know about, and which might completely change our perception of the strength of their conclusions when we see it.

 

[SteveS]

But, she really didn't need the house key. She texted him to leave the door open. Was it the hotel door she wanted him to leave open? :tantrum:

If you're theorizing that she might have been headed to W rather than to FW, and that a door there is what she wanted left open, that's an idea.

Based on whatever evidence they have, LE says they believe she had her keys when she walked to the car, so there's that.

I don't have a guess as to whether the fact she had to work would kill the trip to the W possibility or not. Or on whether she would have gone to the W to get "something" to allow her to skip a night's sleep and go to work wide awake. Unfortunately the idea can't be proven since she never even got to her car, and certainly never went in the direction of the W (or FW either).

As I noted earlier, I am also a bit leery of what we "think is true" about the calls and texts, because without a full transcript of all of it, what little we know could be skewed from lack of context and/or accuracy. Obviously LE has all that, as does the family, but we only know (or think we know) bits and pieces.