GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #34 *Arrest*

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  • #301
It is very difficult to remove evidence. The person misses one spot and that can do them in. HOWEVER, certain fabric or upholstery protectors can prevent labs from identifying the DNA even if it is found. EA's Camaro was recently purchased (June? I know that is on here somewhere, but I can't remember the source) and may have had the seats treated. That is probably why LE removed the passenger seat belt. Even if EA cleaned the belt, it could still be inside the roller assembly from when the belt was released and rolled back in.

Apparently it is very difficult to find evidence too. Three times with EA's car to find Christina's DNA. Waiting for the fourth time results which I'm sure will be revealed at trial.
 
  • #302
Apparently it is very difficult to find evidence too. Three times with EA's car to find Christina's DNA. Waiting for the fourth time results which I'm sure will be revealed at trial.

Or maybe he moved her after the fact, thus the reason nothing was found the first two times LE had his car?
 
  • #303
100% agree. You are right. Any discussion that involves profiling the victim is met with great resistance imo. Just a different mindset I guess from the other forums here. Jmo

I understand your frustration. I think there is a brutal truth about how the community (not websleuths, but the public) responds to cases of missing people. They prefer a certain type of victim to rally their sympathies. In some ways, Christina fits that type: She is pretty, with some college education, she is not homeless or mentally ill, she has never lost contact with her family, and she does not have a criminal record. If I am incorrect in any of the above, please correct me.

In one way only does she deviate from the sort of person the public prefers to identify with: She had a boyfriend (maybe a circle of friends) who used illegal drugs (and in the case of the bf, maybe sold them). In order to gain sympathy for Christina, this was hardly something that her family would choose to see emphasized. Why? Because sometimes the brutal fact is that if the public doesn't care the police do not care. In terms of public service, almost everything is driven by funding and political agendas. The right publicity drives those agendas. Would you not be adamant in trying to secure the attention of law enforcement to find your missing child?

In criminal law, defense attorney putting the victim on trial to raise a smoke screen of confusion for the jury and perhaps secure a not guilty verdict is as old as trials themselves.

So much depends this: The victim needs to be sympathetic.

I think you can read between the lines here. I am trying to be polite.
 
  • #304
AFAIK Top Golf isn't even a golf course, so the idea that he would have some inside info on where to hide her on their golf course makes no sense. From what I know of their other locations, all of their "golfing" happens on an enclosed manicured field completely surrounded by netting with lots of spotlights, certainly no place to hide a kidnapped person or a dead body.

i think the idea would be that if he worked there he was likely a golfer. Golf course are sometimes built on the outskirts of an urban area and sometime abut wooded areas or tracts of land that have not yet been developed. So if any of the golf courses in the area have any adjacent properties like these it would be worth searching IMO.
 
  • #305
I don't post on this thread, but I am keeping up as best as I can. First I would like to say, You All Are Very Smart, and very good at this. And Christina is lucky to have such a devoted group as you all are. You all Rock!!
It often turns out on these case that the simplest reason was in fact what happened. I think drugs played a part in that most, if not all of the players were high, or coming down from a high that night. But I really feel that simply SA was the motivation behind her abduction, and most likely murder. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't think EA needs to be very smart, just very lucky that she hasn't been found yet either.
You guys are doing a wonderful job keeping her thread going, and as a lurking member, and a mother of a young woman, I will read every day, because I think some of you are incredibly close to getting this.
A special shout to SteveS. I think your posts rock. They are steady, concise, and informative.
Peace[emoji4]
 
  • #306
Very much a possibility. If she never shows up again and the state wants to pursue murder charges, death is one of the options in Texas for someone convicted of murder.


Well Steve I think we need a trial first yes?
And I do feel it will make a big difference if they find her or not.
But that's JMO
 
  • #307
When did they last see each other?
Who put together this little shin dig and when?
Why was EA there or even SN
The phone call with ALP early that morning is suspicious.
Im still curious as to if he was there. with them all.

We see EA and CM on video yes thats a fact....
What cant we see? Was there more to see.
Im curious!



why were they all not there as couples?

SN and CM had apparently been friend for a long time she had pictures of her and him on one of her SM sites that were from years ago maybe in high school (it was posted as a 'throw back thursday') and JMcE posted a picture of SN and SM together named him by name and described him as a long time friend of christina's and of their family it was in early november iirc. So that does not seem odd to me. I've seen some pictures of the host with CM at various places so that doesn't seem odd to me either.

EDIT: CM not SM
 
  • #308
SN and CM had apparently been friend for a long time she had pictures of her and him on one of her SM sites that were from years ago maybe in high school (it was posted as a 'throw back thursday') and JMcE posted a picture of SN and SM together named him by name and described him and a long time friend of christina and of their family it was in early november iirc. So that does not seem odd to me. I've seen some pictures of the host with CM at various places so that doesn't seem odd to me either.

Yes I understand they were friends.
But I was also under the impression this was a girls night out? Yes? NO?
Why were these guys there?

Id still like to know when this party was arranged and who arranged it?
why was EA even there? when did he decide to join this group?

Was HF invited?

I have a lot of questions here.
 
  • #309
I understand your frustration. I think there is a brutal truth about how the community (not websleuths, but the public) responds to cases of missing people. They prefer a certain type of victim to rally their sympathies. In some ways, Christina fits that type: She is pretty, with some college education, she is not homeless or mentally ill, she has never lost contact with her family, and she does not have a criminal record. If I am incorrect in any of the above, please correct me.

In one way only does she deviate from the sort of person the public prefers to identify with: She had a boyfriend (maybe a circle of friends) who used illegal drugs (and in the case of the bf, maybe sold them). In order to gain sympathy for Christina, this was hardly something that her family would choose to see emphasized. Why? Because sometimes the brutal fact is that if the public doesn't care the police do not care. In terms of public service, almost everything is driven by funding and political agendas. The right publicity drives those agendas. Would you not be adamant in trying to secure the attention of law enforcement to find your missing child?

In criminal law, defense attorney putting the victim on trial to raise a smoke screen of confusion for the jury and perhaps secure a not guilty verdict is as old as trials themselves.

So much depends this: The victim needs to be sympathetic.

I think you can read between the lines here. I am trying to be polite.

I agree with all this and I don't know but I think this is the families motivation. I would also like to add that I think often times people sort of sub-consciencely feel that missing people that are involved in drugs are partly responsible for what ever happened to them so they are less interested (this is wrong but it is IMO the way it goes). I think when people see someone who is squeaky clean citizen of the year (ex. hannah graham) be a victim of violent crime they think if that could happen to them then it could happen to me or my family and they get scared which makes them act. When they see someone who is on drugs or a sex worker or w/e they feel like since I'm not involved in that activity that not going to happen to me. They still care they still want the victim found and the perp punished, but they are not personally scared so they are not as likely to get involved.
 
  • #310
Or maybe he moved her after the fact, thus the reason nothing was found the first two times LE had his car?

I don't know. PPD was on him like white on rice from the beginning. Plus he spent time in the slammer for the stolen phone too. Maybe he kept her at his home until Monday? Creepy to think about - unless she was alive and then he killed her when he removed her from the house.
 
  • #311
I agree with all this and I don't know but I think this is the families motivation. I would also like to add that I think often times people sort of sub-consciencely feel that missing people that are involved in drugs are partly responsible for what ever happened to them so they are less interested (this is wrong but it is IMO the way it goes). I think when people see someone who is squeaky clean citizen of the year (ex. hannah graham) be a victim of violent crime they think if that could happen to them then it could happen to me or my family and they get scared which makes them act. When they see someone who is on drugs or a sex worker or w/e they feel like since I'm not involved in that activity that not going to happen to me. They still care they still want the victim found and the perp punished, but they are not personally scared so they are not as likely to get involved.

An excellent analysis of human nature, imo. It is what it is.
 
  • #312
i think the idea would be that if he worked there he was likely a golfer. Golf course are sometimes built on the outskirts of an urban area and sometime abut wooded areas or tracts of land that have not yet been developed. So if any of the golf courses in the area have any adjacent properties like these it would be worth searching IMO.

Yeah, he probably liked Top Golf because he didn't like to look for his balls..... lazy - fits his profile. :floorlaugh:
 
  • #313
I don't know. PPD was on him like white on rice from the beginning. Plus he spent time in the slammer for the stolen phone too. Maybe he kept her at his home until Monday? Creepy to think about - unless she was alive and then he killed her when he removed her from the house.

Like white on rice! He is the obvious suspect. And so boring! He is somehow oddly dissatisfying because he seems so ordinary, and the crime so tawdry and simple. It is hard to paint him as a diabolical conspirator.
 
  • #314
I agree with all this and I don't know but I think this is the families motivation. I would also like to add that I think often times people sort of sub-consciencely feel that missing people that are involved in drugs are partly responsible for what ever happened to them so they are less interested (this is wrong but it is IMO the way it goes). I think when people see someone who is squeaky clean citizen of the year (ex. hannah graham) be a victim of violent crime they think if that could happen to them then it could happen to me or my family and they get scared which makes them act. When they see someone who is on drugs or a sex worker or w/e they feel like since I'm not involved in that activity that not going to happen to me. They still care they still want the victim found and the perp punished, but they are not personally scared so they are not as likely to get involved.

Well, you would think a family would be at least a little bit angry at the SO in one's life who failed her on many levels. Personally, it's not about if CM was doing drugs or not, but the people she surrounded herself with who failed her and allowed her to walk to a darn parking garage with a creep at 4 a.m. in the morning and did not report her missing for 4 days. Meanwhile, there are people dropping dead left and right from the drugs that were being dealt and taken with this crowd.
 
  • #315
I don't think a "girl's night out" always stays that way, especially if it takes place out in the local bars, and not at a slumber party with wine and food at someone's home. On a holiday weekend it was inevitable they would either run into friends or that one or more of the women might have extended casual invitations to a few male friends. I am really not seeing the plans for the evening itself as sinister. It ended up that way, but I think the intentions were good (in as much as a night of drinking and drug-taking is well-intended.) jmo
 
  • #316
Like white on rice! He is the obvious suspect. And so boring! He is somehow oddly dissatisfying because he seems so ordinary, and the crime so tawdry and simple. It is hard to paint him as a diabolical conspirator.

:goodpost: I was going to say PPD was on EA like stink on **** (poo)! Hopefully, my white on rice didn't offend any white rice folks.

Again, 4 days. A crime of opportunity vs crime of passion vs crime of revenge - it's all there.
 
  • #317
I don't think a "girl's night out" always stays that way, especially if it takes place out in the local bars, and not at a slumber party with wine and food at someone's home. On a holiday weekend it was inevitable they would either run into friends or that one or more of the women might have extended casual invitations to a few male friends. I am really not seeing the plans for the evening itself as sinister. It ended up that way, but I think the intentions were good (in as much as a night of drinking and drug-taking is well-intended.) jmo

EA, SB and CM arrived at the same time. Per the first warrant:

"Affiant later obtained video from Henry's Tavern parking garage where Arochi's Camaro was recorded driving out of the parking garage at approximately 0358 hours from an area where Sabrina Boss, a friend of Morris who was with her that night, stated Morris, Arochi, and other members of the group had parked."

Affiant also obtained video from Henry's Tavern parking garage which shows Arochi's Camaro entering the parking garage of Henry's Tavern on 08/29/2014 at approximately 2322, followed immediately by Morris' Toyota Celica. According to Sabrina Boss, both vehicles were parked within close proximity of each other." https://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/2...llow_share=true&escape=false&view_mode=scroll

Hmmmm.... Wonder if somebody could have taken a picture of the two vehicles "parked in close proximity of each other" and sent that picture to someone else?
 
  • #318
Now, I would really love to see the video of who walked out of the Henry's Tavern parking garage at 2322 hours and the couple of hours prior to arrival of CM and SB and EA.
 
  • #319
Just a note I wanted to add about the passenger seat and mat being taken - I think when they couldn't find DNA or blood with the first 2 searches, or maybe just not enough (inconclusive?), or maybe they did find what they suspected was blood in the trunk, but then to form their theory that she wasn't ever a passenger, they had to send those items to another lab that could be more thorough. Did that come out right?
If they could prove she wasn't in the car anywhere, just the trunk, then they didn't have to look at other suspects IMO. Not that they didn't, but that surely narrowed it down to just one person being responsible.
 
  • #320
Are we so sure no one else was in that garage with them?
Was she taken out of one vehicle and placed in another?

:goodpost::ditto:

I am not convinced EA put her into the trunk at all JMO~
I am not convinced EA was a lone wolf JMO~
Basically what I am saying is I disagree with much that I have read here over the past week or so. JMO~
 
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