GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #36 *Arrest*

[SeeAlice]

It would be a huge step in the right direction to have Tomnod pair with TES during searches. I don't know if TES alone could afford to set up something like Tomnod does, but working together would be a great idea. Someone should bring it up to TES. *hint hint*

So they're different groups?

If someone does bring it up, see about crowd-sourcing the aerial photos. JMO

 

[msmith3]

In theory... if someone in his family helped him get rid of her body and mom and dad convinced the helper to confess, Enrique could be charged... correct?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

So they're different groups?

If someone does bring it up, see about crowd-sourcing the aerial photos. JMO

Yes. 2 completely different groups.

Tomnod (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomnod) does searches in real time via satellite. It can cover a wider range than aerial photos. It is an amazing crowd-sourcing group. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomnod

 

[cluciano63]

It isn't a big secret or anything. During HaLeigh Cummings' case, Tim tried to set up covert operations to catch Misty in lies and it turned into quite a fiasco which eventually led to his own"snitch" going to jail because she was giving drugs to Misty. There are many other situations where Tim's decisions have been in question, imo. I still regard TES a fantastic group of people who can and do bring the missing home. They have been effective and their record is astounding. Sometimes their tactics leave a bit to be desired though.

OT...but wasn't there something in Caylee's case too? Maybe not.

 

[Steleheart]

I am not sure folks really think through their opinions on the Arochi's. To demand ( as such) that they pressure their son to come clean is like trying to demand that EA himself plead guilty. We do not know if a plea bargain as been offered. So by proxy we (not all but the collective public) support a picket line shaming and harassing non-guilty family members who have not been charged in any way. This is not our system of justice. It's an injustice , in fact, to subject their neighbors, who are innocent, to this interruption every day.
Free speech comes with a responsibility (fire, theater, yadda yadda).

It needs to play out in the court not on the sidewalk.

Just my opinion.

:cow:

 

[cluciano63]

EA is a full-fledged adult by any legal standard, no matter how much we like to infantilize young adults. Why on earth should his parents be liable or even expected to do anything about crimes he is charged with, is beyond me. Jmo
Every criminal/suspect has parents.

 

[SeeAlice]

In theory... if someone in his family helped him get rid of her body and mom and dad convinced the helper to confess, Enrique could be charged... correct?

If a supposed helper could provide other evidence or location of CM's body to LE and testified in court, it might be enough for charges, but IMO, confession alone is not enough. (What if she died of a drug overdose while in his car? That's not murder, AFAIK.)

 

[SeriouslySearching]

OT...but wasn't there something in Caylee's case too? Maybe not.

OT/ Yes. A situation arose with Caylee's case, too. It was a mistake for TES to work with the A fam instead of just LE.

 

[Amster]

Just saying....as a local with a son who lives and works close to the A's neighborhood.....the picketing is not being received favorably at all. Instead of talking about CM as the girl who vanished and is presumed dead....needs to be found....it's more about Jonni and what has been referred to as "antics"....this is not my opinion...it's the perception of a 34 yr. old and people he's talked to about CM. Sadly. To many, the case is closed. EA killed her and dumped her body, somewhere. No sense of emergency. Just a hope she's found, someday.

 

[cluciano63]

Just saying....as a local with a son who lives and works close to the A's neighborhood.....the picketing is not being received favorably at all. Instead of talking about CM as the girl who vanished and is presumed dead....needs to be found....it's more about Jonni and what has been referred to as "antics"....this is not my opinion...it's the perception of a 34 yr. old and people he's talked to about CM. Sadly. To many, the case is closed. EA killed her and dumped her body, somewhere. No sense of emergency. Just a hope she's found, someday.

That is unfortunate. Sounds like the family may be producing the opposite of the reactions they hoped. I feared this, as many people will see EA's family as "underdogs" being persecuted for the acts of a family member, which is never popular in the US. Even though Christina is the victim, she is getting lost in the methods being used to protest/publicize her disappearance. An arrest has been made, a trial will take place, lots of people probably feel that is the proper scheme of things.

Of course it is tragic that she has not been found. But this was never going to make that happen. Jmo

 

[SteveS]

IWhat if she died of a drug overdose while in his car?

Even if it becomes a murder case, imo the ship has sailed for EA on those sorts of "alternative possibilities" that defense attorneys like to use to muddy the waters. Not that his attorney won't try to speculate them into a trial somehow, but rather that the evidence plus his own statements have already pretty well disproven those ideas.

1 We know EA put her IN HIS TRUNK, as the DNA evidence makes that clear.
- That rules out some sort of accident, because you aren't going to put someone in your trunk for their welfare. For example, sticking an OD victim in your trunk doesn't get them help, get them to a hospital, or somehow make them better.

2 Common sense - plus helpful observations from the prosecution's witnesses - will also tell the jury that if something happened to her where he did little to nothing wrong, he would have coughed up that explanation long ago.
- Common sense also tells us that with a more-benign truth, he would have shown where she is in order to make sure it DOESN'T look like an abduction-murder. His subsequent actions speak volumes.

3 And his repeated lies will keep him from testifying at trial and offering up a completely new story. His attorney will try to do all the speaking for him, because he's lost his ability to speak for himself in a way that could be helpful.

In total, the evidence says EA abducted her, putting her IN HIS TRUNK and doing something with her where she has never been seen or heard from again. Probably murdered her. And rather than trying to confuse with implausible what-if's, I think his only realistic way to keep from getting slaughtered in court will be to tell what he knows before we get there, in some sort of a plea deal.

Of course, if CM is found before he steps up, that door will close on him. The clock is clicking down to zero on his window of opportunity. I wonder if he'll fritter it away.

 

[SeeAlice]

Even if it becomes a murder case, imo the ship has sailed for EA on those sorts of "alternative possibilities" that defense attorneys like to use to muddy the waters. Not that his attorney won't try to speculate them into a trial somehow, but rather that the evidence plus his own statements have already pretty well disproven those ideas.

1 We know EA put her IN HIS TRUNK, as the DNA evidence makes that clear.
- That rules out some sort of accident, because you aren't going to put someone in your trunk for their welfare. For example, sticking an OD victim in your trunk doesn't get them help, get them to a hospital, or somehow make them better.

2 Common sense - plus helpful observations from the prosecution's witnesses - will also tell the jury that if something happened to her where he did little to nothing wrong, he would have coughed up that explanation long ago.
- Common sense also tells us that with a more-benign truth, he would have shown where she is in order to make sure it DOESN'T look like an abduction-murder. His subsequent actions speak volumes.

3 And his repeated lies will keep him from testifying at trial and offering up a completely new story. His attorney will try to do all the speaking for him, because he's lost his ability to speak for himself in a way that could be helpful.

In total, the evidence says EA abducted her, putting her IN HIS TRUNK and doing something with her where she has never been seen or heard from again. Probably murdered her. And rather than trying to confuse with implausible what-if's, I think his only realistic way to keep from getting slaughtered in court will be to tell what he knows before we get there, in some sort of a plea deal.

Of course, if CM is found before he steps up, that door will close on him. The clock is clicking down to zero on his window of opportunity. I wonder if he'll fritter it away.

Your enthusiasm is admirable.

 

[Latestforever]

If a supposed helper could provide other evidence or location of CM's body to LE and testified in court, it might be enough for charges, but IMO, confession alone is not enough. (What if she died of a drug overdose while in his car? That's not murder, AFAIK.)

IMOO the drug overdose scenerio is exactly what the liar EA will plea as his defense at trial.

 

[SeeAlice]

For anyone wondering where my muddying of the waters point of view comes from, it's here, where the live-in boyfriend was busted for dealing drugs. As CM's mother said, "It's a completely separate case," but IMO, it's possibly illustrative of their shared lifestyle.

JMO

http://www.fox4news.com/story/26539776/investigation-after-hours-dance-club

 

[SeeAlice]

A relative? http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unf...las_cant_shut_it_down_because_free_speech.php

 

[georgiasblu]

I wondered about that when I first saw his name.


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[SeriouslySearching]

Just saying....as a local with a son who lives and works close to the A's neighborhood.....the picketing is not being received favorably at all. Instead of talking about CM as the girl who vanished and is presumed dead....needs to be found....it's more about Jonni and what has been referred to as "antics"....this is not my opinion...it's the perception of a 34 yr. old and people he's talked to about CM. Sadly. To many, the case is closed. EA killed her and dumped her body, somewhere. No sense of emergency. Just a hope she's found, someday.

That is unfortunate. Sounds like the family may be producing the opposite of the reactions they hoped. I feared this, as many people will see EA's family as "underdogs" being persecuted for the acts of a family member, which is never popular in the US. Even though Christina is the victim, she is getting lost in the methods being used to protest/publicize her disappearance. An arrest has been made, a trial will take place, lots of people probably feel that is the proper scheme of things.

Of course it is tragic that she has not been found. But this was never going to make that happen. Jmo

Yes! This is exactly what I have been trying to say! People who have followed missing persons cases for awhile know when victim's families lose public respect...it is difficult to ever get it back. People tune it out, turn their backs, and walk away because they lose empathy when it is turned into a circus. The attention is negative and soon they no longer hold the media's interest because no one is listening.

 

[Eileen730]

A relative? http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unf...las_cant_shut_it_down_because_free_speech.php

That's very interesting!

 

[brado]

For anyone wondering where my muddying of the waters point of view comes from, it's here, where the live-in boyfriend was busted for dealing drugs. As CM's mother said, "It's a completely separate case," but IMO, it's possibly illustrative of their shared lifestyle.

JMO

http://www.fox4news.com/story/26539776/investigation-after-hours-dance-club

And how does that explain CM's DNA in the trunk of EA's car?

 

[JnRyan]

If a supposed helper could provide other evidence or location of CM's body to LE and testified in court, it might be enough for charges, but IMO, confession alone is not enough. (What if she died of a drug overdose while in his car? That's not murder, AFAIK.)

A drug overdose in his car? That's a plausible theory and her DNA in the trunk could even be explained as a panicked young man trying to hide her. But in this case the police stated that luminol in the trunk indicated blood. (OK, maybe a defense attorney can argue that EA bought the car used and the source could predate his purchase. Unless they pull Christina's DNA from those blood stains.) Then there are EA's injuries the next day. That's too much for a drug overdose theory.