GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #36 *Arrest*

[zippixx]

Could be but aren't you curious to know exactly why and what he deleted?
I'm curious to know who he communicated with especially if it is someone who wasn't at the party/outing as far as we know (but related to the group).

Absolutely, I'm curious! Maybe he asked one of the party goers if CM was gonna be there...

 

[Woe.be.gone]

What could leave a "significant amount" of Christina's DNA in EA's trunk if her body was not in there? Just curious. Thoughts?

Me too. Yet, I'm also curious, since the amount is supposedly significant, why it wasn't detected when LE had the car in their possession earlier.
One would think LE tests with luminol as standard procedure when foul play is suspected.

All we know is the mat was cleaned and the cleaning residue is being tested (I guess to see if it matches the products found in the garbage collected from EA's house).
Why wasn't the DNA evidence present earlier though? Especially if significant.

The mat not being there the first time (the 11 days) LE took the car would be one reason but we don't know if it was or wasn't in the car at that time.
We can't assume the mat wasn't in the car.

 

[catpatrol]

Could be but aren't you curious to know exactly why and what he deleted?
I'm curious to know who he communicated with especially if it is someone who wasn't at the party/outing as far as we know (but related to the group).

I'm also curious about the other cell phones and storage devices he had in his car. As a Sprint worker, I could see him wanting the latest and greatest new phone, but why keep several old phones in his car? Then add in the cell phone boxes that were found in his trash, and it just doesn't pass my smell test. He was up to no good, IMO.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

Could be but aren't you curious to know exactly why and what he deleted?
I'm curious to know who he communicated with especially if it is someone who wasn't at the party/outing as far as we know (but related to the group).

I'm totally curious. It could point to premeditation and/or others being involved. MOO

 

[Woe.be.gone]

It varies depending on the type and class of the charges. I think this falls in the 180-day category which would make the deadline mid-June, but if it's 90 days that puts us around mid-March. We'll see what happens.

BTW the penalty for a failure to get it done in time isn't a dismissal of any potential case, but rather that LE would have to let EA out of jail as long as an indictment continues to be pending or non-existent for the charges in question.

Keep in mind that the GJ operates in secret, so they can (and likely did) start the GJ proceedings immediately after the arrest. The deadline is a good thing since it protects EA from being locked up forever without a trial, but I don't see it as posing any problem for LE since (based only on what we've seen already) they could pull an indictment as soon as they wanted one.

I can't imagine why anyone who's interested in justice for Christina (including her family) would be in any hurry to see them rush through this stage of the process. The GJ can compel sworn testimony, so it also operates as an investigative tool, and the defense gets no look at LE evidence until there's actually an indictment. And, it's not as if EA is able to roam the streets and be a threat to others while the process plays out. He's already locked up, same as if he had already been convicted.

Personally, if the deadline is June 15th for example, I'd be very comfortable to see the indictment pulled on June 14th while they amass more fuel for the fire. Hopefully they can find CM in the interim.

BBM ~ Why is keeping evidence from the defense important to you?
An aspect that bothers me about what I've observed during trial preparation is the cat and mouse game that seems to sometimes be at play between the prosecution and the defense.
Lay it all on the table and let justice play out. :thinking:

 

[catpatrol]

Me too. Yet, I'm also curious, since the the amount is supposedly significant, why it wasn't detected when LE had the car in their possession earlier.
One would think LE tests with luminol as standard procedure when foul play is suspected.

All we know is the mat was cleaned and the cleaning residue is being tested (I guess to see if it matches the products found in the garbage collected from EA's house).
Why wasn't the DNA evidence present earlier though? Especially if significant.

The mat not being there the first time (the 11 days) LE took the car would be one reason but we don't know if it was or wasn't in the car at that time.
We can't assume the mat wasn't in the car.

Could it just be an issue of the time it takes for forensic testing, and wanting a warrant to make sure that the results wouldn't be questioned?

 

[zippixx]

I'm totally curious. It could point to premeditation and/or others being involved. MOO

The texts deleted prior to the 30th could have been drug-related, party-related or maybe "babe"-related.. he strikes me as the kind of guy that sent texts often.. he might of just wanted to cover his butt, in case there was something that seemed incriminating (but maybe wasn't)... jmo

 

[MIKAYOYO]

The texts deleted prior to the 30th could have been drug-related, party-related or maybe "babe"-related.. he strikes me as the kind of guy that sent texts often.. he might of just wanted to cover his butt, in case there was something that seemed incriminating (but maybe wasn't)... jmo

Yes, never mind. I was thinking the note found in the trash said 8/28.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I'm totally curious. It could point to premeditation and/or others being involved. MOO

Yes, hope LE would want to be sure to rule out premeditation and rule out if someone else was planning to be there (but never mentioned) or if Christina's name had been brought up in prior communications (considering EA claims they had nothing to do with one another).

Could it just be an issue of the time it takes for forensic testing, and wanting a warrant to make sure that the results wouldn't be questioned?

Doesn't luminol work immediately though?
Seems the time between the eleven days LE had his car and the time EA was arrested was more than two months (without looking it up I don't recall exactly).
Wouldn't finding Christina's blood during the eleven days be enough to issue an arrest warrant earlier?
Also, why would LE return EA's car if DNA was found earlier?
Testing DNA doesn't take long (according to recaps on TV of actual cases, solved or unsolved).

The questions I'm asking are questions I'll want to know the answers to during a trial.
Now, we can only guess why LE waited so long before they arrested EA.

 

[Mamamerced]

BBM ~ Why is keeping evidence from the defense important to you?
An aspect that bothers me about what I've observed during trial preparation is the cat and mouse game that seems to sometimes be at play between the prosecution and the defense.
Lay it all on the table and let justice play out. :thinking:

Unfortunately our system is an adversarial one. Wish it weren't.

 

[catpatrol]

Yes, hope LE would want to be sure to rule out premeditation and rule out if someone else was planning to be there (but never mentioned) or if Christina's name had been brought up in prior communications (considering EA claims they had nothing to do with one another).



Doesn't luminol work immediately though?
Seems the time between the eleven days LE had his car and the time EA was arrested was more than two months (without looking it up I don't recall exactly).
Wouldn't finding Christina's blood during the eleven days be enough to issue an arrest warrant earlier?
Also, why would LE return EA's car if DNA was found earlier?
Testing DNA doesn't take long (according to recaps on TV of actual cases, solved or unsolved).

The questions I'm asking are questions I'll want to know the answers to during a trial.
Now, we can only guess why LE waited so long before they arrested EA.

Luminol may work immediately, but it's also not illegal to have blood or DNA in your trunk. They might need to identify the blood before it becomes meaningful.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Yes, never mind. I was thinking the note found in the trash said 8/28.

If the note found in the trash was dated we haven't heard it was.
Come to think of it, it would be kind of weird if the note had a date on it though. lol.

Was the note the reason we know EA (or whoever wrote it) wanted texts deleted covering the dates August 28 through 30?
Or did LE write in a report the texts and calls covering those dates were gone?
I'm having trouble remembering the source of how we learned about those dates.
EA wiped his phone completely, no?

I recall the note mentioned computer records too.
We don't have any results gained from EA's computer yet.
But LE didn't take the computer until the day they arrested EA so the computer didn't influence his arrest.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

If the note found in the trash was dated we haven't heard it was.
Come to think of it, it would be kind of weird if the note had a date on it though. lol.

Was the note the reason we know EA (or whoever wrote it) wanted texts deleted covering the dates August 28 through 30?
Or did LE write in a report the texts and calls covering those dates were gone?
I'm having trouble remembering the source of how we learned about those dates.
EA wiped his phone completely, no?

I recall the note mentioned computer records too.
We don't have any results gained from EA's computer yet.
But LE didn't take the computer until the day they arrested EA so the computer didn't influence his arrest.

The note said texts from 8/29 through today's date. I was thinking it said texts from 8/28.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Luminol may work immediately, but it's also not illegal to have blood or DNA in your trunk. They might need to identify the blood before it becomes meaningful.

Oh, yes, that's true and would be absolutely necessary.
It just seems LE would fast track a blood DNA test in a case involving a missing woman and possible murder.
Considering if blood DNA is found in the trunk of the car belonging to the person last seen with the victim, you'd think LE could expedite results to identify if victim's or not.
Taking a slow boat to China doesn't make any sense.
I mean, whenever possible, LE likes to solve (make an arrest) murder cases within 48 hours.
How do they ever do that if getting DNA results takes so long?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

The note said texts from 8/29 through today's date. I was thinking it said texts from 8/28.

Are you sure? I'm thinking the note had from August 28 too.
That's the detail/info my post was based on.
I'll have to check the source (but may not do it tonight due to a sinus headache).

 

[SteveS]

Why is keeping evidence from the defense important to you?

It's not about what's important to me LOL.

My words are merely intended as a reminder that LE will be (and should be) using whatever is legal in the best way possible to get FULL JUSTICE for Christina.

The defense already has some of the evidence. LE had to show some of it to arrest him, and it was enough of a peek to easily get him locked up with a $1 million bond. And EA will eventually get access to all the evidence - which is super important and necessary, and will happen later.

But that's then, and this is now.

And since they have a choice, what's the benefit to LE working with everyone able to see what they are investigating, as they pursue more evidence? As long as there is no indictment, they can keep everyone else in the dark as to what they know, and where else it might be leading.

I bet they have lots of pings, and texts, and interviews to work with - and who knows what else. One thing can lead to another. But where else is it leading so far? We have no idea where (and neither does the perp), because LE is allowed to keep their files under wraps for the time being.

• Are there more lines of evidence against EA, in relation to CM, that they are developing?
• Could there be more crimes hinted at by this text or that?
• Does some of it point at someone as a helper or active participant, who has no clue LE is even looking at them?

No one knows, so it's hard for the wrongdoers to put up barriers and stymie the looking. But if EA knew everything they had found out, he could warn people and try to frustrate any results. So I'm in favor of LE taking their time and keeping EA and everyone else in the dark while they work.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

Are you sure? I'm thinking the note had from August 28 too.
That's the detail/info my post was based on.
I'll have to check the source (but may not do it tonight due to a sinus headache).

Yes, I checked the search affidavit.

ETA it's on page 7.

 

[Sweetgrits]

JMO~
I personally am not convinced that the one that is in jail of the initials EA is 101% responsible.
Where is the witness of him actually kidnapping her? Is there a vid that shows this? Who was driving?
Who else was in the garage? Who else was in the garage vicinity from 3:57am till 4:52 am??
2 spots of her DNA was said to have been found in the interior cargo area and on the rubberized seal.
Does not absolutely BARD mean her physical body was ever there.
Does not mean EA is the one that actually did anything or was present.
Sleuth away on EA ... but his family their private home and friends / friends of family is off limits and are legally entitled to their privacy and safety. JMO~

ITA about EA's family being off limits. I can't imagine the hell they're going through. Some of your other points however are the very ones that make me believe that EA is 100% guilty of kidnapping and murdering CM.

No witnesses because there was nobody else in the garage at that time as evidenced by the CCTV. So who else would be responsible for kidnapping CM?

DNA in two areas of EA's truck (one of which is described as significant) is proof that EA forced CM into the trunk or he hit her and shoved her into the trunk. How else could that DNA have gotten there?

There is not proof positive about the events of that night but when it's all strung together I believe it will be enough to convict EA, certainly of the AK charge, and very probably of murder. He lied about numerous things, he was injured the next day, he very thoroughly cleaned his car, etc. etc. etc. I just don't believe a reasonable person could conclude anything else.

I'm fairly new to WS and not as eloquent as some here but this is how I see it. JMO

 

[catpatrol]

Are you sure? I'm thinking the note had from August 28 too.
That's the detail/info my post was based on.
I'll have to check the source (but may not do it tonight due to a sinus headache).

I want to say the August 28th date was that Enrique told PPD he had no texts starting from Aug 28th, but I would have to look it up too.

ETA: No text messages from Aug. 28-31 were found on Arochi’s phone. He said he “doesn’t text a lot of people,” after initially telling Stamm he texted his girlfriend all the time. Prosecutor Lisa King said, “Magically during that time period all those texts were gone.”
http://starlocalmedia.com/allenamer...862-9de4-11e4-b48e-5765cf2b7e65.html?mode=jqm

 

[zippixx]

ITA about EA's family being off limits. I can't imagine the hell they're going through. Some of your other points however are the very ones that make me believe that EA is 100% guilty of kidnapping and murdering CM.

No witnesses because there was nobody else in the garage at that time as evidenced by the CCTV. So who else would be responsible for kidnapping CM?

DNA in two areas of EA's truck (one of which is described as significant) is proof that EA forced CM into the trunk or he hit her and shoved her into the trunk. How else could that DNA have gotten there?

There is not proof positive about the events of that night but when it's all strung together I believe it will be enough to convict EA, certainly of the AK charge, and very probably of murder. He lied about numerous things, he was injured the next day, he very thoroughly cleaned his car, etc. etc. etc. I just don't believe a reasonable person could conclude anything else.

I'm fairly new to WS and not as eloquent as some here but this is how I see it. JMO

Well said & "eloquent" enough for me..!