GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #36 *Arrest*

[Eileen730]

I think something was wrong and this was the reason Christina was trying so darn hard to communicate with HF.
I don't think it was an argument between them I think it was something else.
This was something that started much earlier and continued into the early morning hours.
All we have is HF's word for it and possibly whatever EA heard as he walked with Christina. Im sure he heard everything said in every call she had.

 

[suzyjackson]

No, I don't think EA went after drugs already in Christina's possession.
The possibility exists that they ventured out together to get the drugs from HF since they inquired about wanting them via text. They worked as a team apparently.
At least Jonni claims she heard Christina's voice during one of the contacts (two texts, one vm).
If not HF, they may have found another source to acquire similar drugs.
Why would EA stop his efforts to acquire "rock" so soon?
That's anti behavior for someone who is wanting to obtain drugs.
Maybe Christina said she'd go with EA to do so.

BBM, if it was EA who sent the text and if we can take it at face value as a request for some form of drugs I'd say the reason he stopped his efforts was that he had other priorities, namely deciding what to do with Christina.

Actually though it's an interesting point - do we know for sure that there weren't later texts between EA and HF?

JMO

 

[adot0902]

I know I caused some heated discussions... :facepalm: My apologies. But it got everyone talking so while we are on the topic, I have a few questions as I'm not familiar with Dallas,

In terms of pings of EA and Christina's cell phone, could have EA and Christina got into the car and driven to some place to procure drugs. I'm not at all familiar with the DFW area so I can't look at the pings and be like that's a hot spot for drugs... Just curious if maybe the first set of pings were them going to buy narcotics, they are coming back to SOL to either a) share with the group or b) Take Christina back to her car as she has done her part for EA in helping him get the drugs.... Maybe on the way back to SOL she a) OD's and EA freaks out, or b) she was unable to procure the drugs and EA gets mad and kills her c) He trades her for the narcotics.

Just throwing out alternative theories as she still hasn't been found it can't hurt to think of other places she could be..

Is there a hot spot in DFW to get drugs? For example I know where I am from we have an area called "Out the South" (it's basically government HUD homes and you can get ANYTHING there,very dangerous I don't even drive through during the day) But based on pings is there any way they could have gone to a drug hot spot picked up and were returning to SOL which would make the pings we are looking at later rather than right after they first left.

 

[frisson]

How do we know who made the call about "good rock?" TIA.

 

[CookieM]

How do we know who made the call about "good rock?" TIA.

JMom (the VI) was adamant that Christina made the call from EA's phone. I don't know about the "good rock" text, but she said repeatedly that the family knew that it was Christina who used his phone . I remember we went back and forth about that for ages. The discussion had been: Were EA and HF friends and conversing? The VI's said absolutely not; that it was Christina who used his phone. We established that the only SURE way to know if Christina used his phone was if a voicemail had been left and Jonni heard Christina's voice. JMom said that Jonni knew for sure that it was Christina who called.
I sure wonder what Christina said in that voicemail. I guess it will be released at the trial. Hopefully soon!!

 

[adot0902]

JMom (the VI) was adamant that Christina made the call from EA's phone. I don't know about the "good rock" text, but she said repeatedly that the family knew that it was Christina who used his phone . I remember we went back and forth about that for ages. The discussion had been: Were EA and HF friends and conversing? The VI's said absolutely not; that it was Christina who used his phone. We established that the only SURE way to know if Christina used his phone was if a voicemail had been left and Jonni heard Christina's voice. JMom said that Jonni knew for sure that it was Christina who called.
I sure wonder what Christina said in that voicemail. I guess it will be released at the trial. Hopefully soon!!

This is what I remember too, before we knew what the text said it was accepted as fact that Christina was using the phone , HOWEVER, once we knew what the text said it was debated and some people felt as if Christina did not send the text.

 

[CookieM]

This is what I remember too, before we knew what the text said it was accepted as fact that Christina was using the phone , HOWEVER, once we knew what the text said it was debated and some people felt as if Christina did not send the text.

Well, of course! Because the text was about drugs!

 

[catpatrol]

This is what I remember too, before we knew what the text said it was accepted as fact that Christina was using the phone , HOWEVER, once we knew what the text said it was debated and some people felt as if Christina did not send the text.

I still think it could be a combination of both. The content of the voicemail and the order of the texts/VM might paint a very clear picture about what was going on at that moment. For instance, if the voicemail came after the texts and Christina mentioned EA wanting to buy something from HF, it could indicate they had both used EA's phone. As has been discussed many times, it would be hard to prove who sent a text, unless a surveillance camera shows only one of them using a phone at the exact time, or if the voicemail explains it.

ETA: I think it's fair to form/change an opinion of who sent the text based upon learning new information.

 

[georgiasblu]

Your right rock is crack cocaine (freebased cocaine) and is normally used in conjunction with heroin which i just don't see CM,EA and friends been involved in.
and i think looking at BF he is the one that sells and uses molly and for that reason i think EA is asking BF for molly not crack (maybe hes not that accurate in what he asking for and maybe it was just a ruse anyway) to my knowledge i've never known a dealer sell molly/mdma and crack two totally different drugs.

Source:- Been there done that for years unfortunately.

Didn't a friend of theirs die of a heroin od? I seem to remember it mentioned that HF was at the hospital and EA told LE he had been there as well though that was questionable. So, I guess it's possible.


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[suzyjackson]

Well, of course! Because the text was about drugs!

The way I remember it is that once we found out what the text said it was thought to extremely unlikely wording for a person to text to their live in significant other.

I don't know the style in which Christina and HF messaged each other but imo if Christina had texted it would be more like "Hey honey, could we have some of that good rock when I get home, love you xoxoxo"

JMO

 

[SaintGirl]

"Despite the theory behind the Eighth Amendment, judges often use excessively high bail amounts to prohibit an arrested individual from getting out of jail.
This type of excessive bail is often used for people that have been arrested on suspicion of dealing drugs, murder or other crimes where flight is a real possibility.
Many people have argued that this type of high bail violates the Eighth Amendment, but almost all have been unsuccessful."

Source: criminal.findlaw.com


We know bf is charged with dealing drugs and is the reason he's been sitting in jail since December 9, 2014.

We know EA is suspected of aggravated kidnapping and is the reason he's been sitting in jail since December 13, 2014.

We know EA spent time in jail for many days during the second week of September (can't find the exact date of his arrest) for phone theft.
His bond was posted on September 22, 2014.
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Wy...ast-Seen-With-Christina-Morris-281701721.html

We also know bf was arrested on October 14, 2014.
Link is hard to find - was the reason for violating probation rules?
Not sure the date he was released/posted bond.

Today, they both remain incarcerated with bonds of $1 million each.
Coincidence?
Normal?
Expected?

Hunter's bond is now set and it's at $1m, too? I saw on the news he had a hearing and trial date set (I think that's correct) but didn't hear about the bond.

Do the others he was busted with have a similar bond amount?

My apology if this has been discussed, haven't had a chance to fully catch up, but TIA for info.

 

[CookieM]

Hunter's bond is now set and it's at $1m, too? I saw on the news he had a hearing and trial date set (I think that's correct) but didn't hear about the bond.

Do the others he was busted with have a similar bond amount?

My apology if this has been discussed, haven't had a chance to fully catch up, but TIA for info.

No bond for him.
http://12.14.175.12/dcn/inmateDetails.aspx?id=f0xfDjaXNaI=&bid=nzfCS122B80=

 

[georgiasblu]

I just don't see Christina leaving with EA voluntarily that night. She had been focused on HF that night like a heat seeking missle. The only way I see her going with EA was if they were meeting HF and purportedly, that didn't happen.


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[SteveS]

I saw the comments by JMOM that those 3 contacts were - per JM - made by Christina. But in court, no such claim was made. So how do we reconcile those, and what's factual? Was there a voicemail?

1 Prior to court, I assumed that the call must have ended in a voicemail, as the reason for the conviction by JMOM-JM that CM was the one who initiated those 3 contacts from 3:50-3:55. But now I wonder, not because of the content but rather because of the way it was presented in court under oath.
2 Working backwards, is there any way JM could have come to that strong belief, without hearing CM on VM? Actually there is. I suspect JM first heard about those 3 contacts by LE telling her that EA said CM made them. So imo it's very possible she simply accepted that "CM made them" as gospel and worked mentally from that basis and timeline.
3 That certainly proves nothing either way as to who initiated those 3 contacts. Maybe there's a VM which them offers some proof, but maybe not.
4 Common sense says that, the contacts originating from EA's phone, it is more likely than not that they originated from him. That's not stone cold proof, but it's the logical assumption barring convincing evidence to the contrary.
5 We do have EA's claim that he didn't do it, but we know from his history he's generally not to be believed, and given the content of drugs he had a reason to try to disavow authorship.
6 One other piece of evidence would be the question of who HF should have thought the texts were from - if from CM, he would never know unless they had some sort of explanation included. LE knows the actual transcripts, but we don't (yet).
...But this can only point convincingly at EA (from lack of any explanation), as we know that a note saying "This is Christina" within a text could have been typed by either.
7 In my estimation, LE doesn't have to prove who used EA's phone. They can just say these texts came from EA's phone and go on, or not even talk about them at all. So the issue may not come up in the trial, and we may never know for sure if there was a voicemail.

 

[Lolly85x]

I've always thought that the rock text was possibly CM trying to get HF to respond.. JMO
Eta: NOT that Christina wanted drugs, I think she was using that as a ruse to get HF to respond since he was ignoring her..
#ComeHomeChristina

100% agree!

 

[suzyjackson]

I'm on my phone so can't easily search to check so I'll say JMO but I think a VI told us that Jonni had heard the voicemail so knew that Christina had used EA's phone for at least one of the communications

JMO

 

[CookieM]

I'm on my phone so can't easily search to check so I'll say JMO but I think a VI told us that Jonni had heard the voicemail so knew that Christina had used EA's phone for at least one of the communications

JMO

Way back in the threads, this was a conversation:

One poster said this:

Has there been any explanation why 2 text messages/ phone call were placed from EA's phone to HF just prior to entering the garage? We saw on the surveillance tape CM talking on a cellphone, has it been verified that she was talking on her phone?

Cell phone records obtained by detectives showed text messages and a phone call were made from Arochi’s phone to Hunter Foster, Christina’s boyfriend, at 3:50 a.m., 3:53 a.m. and 3:55 a.m. Aug. 30 – moments before they were seen entering the garage.
http://starlocalmedia.com/planocouri...orris/article_

To which another asked:

Well JMOM , can you add anything to this ?

And JMom responded:

Christina used Enrique's phone. Contents of the text not released. That's about all I can say regarding that. Hope that helps.

She insisted that it was Christina who used his phone and in another post (which I forgot to copy before leaving the page it was on, sorry!) She said that JM had read all texts and listened to all voicemails.

 

[SteveS]

I'm on my phone so can't easily search to check so I'll say JMO but I think a VI told us that Jonni had heard the voicemail so knew that Christina had used EA's phone for at least one of the communications

JMO

Let me respond to this, and this is not intended to argue with your point but rather as an attempt to have the best information available in discussion.

With all due respect, at this point what matters is not so much "what were we told" but rather "what is the truth." (I don't especially remember with precision what was said by JMOM, but if you told me she did say explicitly that JM listened to a VM, or if you told me she didn't, I wouldn't argue either way.)

ETA - Cookie noted above that we were told "JM had read all texts and listened to all voicemails" which doesn't really tell us if there was actually a VM left here or not. Again, unfortunately, haziness.

But fwiw, since the bond hearing, I have discussed this very issue with JMOM one-on-one. And (take this as you wish) I still have no idea whether there was a VM left or not in one of those 3:50-3:55 contacts. My reasoning of how there could have come to be a possible conflict in info, if there is one, is offered in my prior more detailed post today on this issue.

Let me add that, given that LE is playing its cards very close to the vest with regards to details within the evidence, I don't think there's any chance we get any clarification any time soon. They'd much rather leave the defense guessing as to what they know and why.

 

[Eileen730]

The way I remember it is that once we found out what the text said it was thought to extremely unlikely wording for a person to text to their live in significant other.

I don't know the style in which Christina and HF messaged each other but imo if Christina had texted it would be more like "Hey honey, could we have some of that good rock when I get home, love you xoxoxo"

JMO

Do You really think she would text that to her drug dealing BF?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

So HF has no bond. Thanks for the correction. Sorry for misleading anyone.