GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #36 *Arrest*

[Balor51]

Ok, let me be more clear. The news may of said the "harbor area", but where the DFD dive team boat was located near the rocks, was about 2 miles from the Harbor. I drove right by as the police were blocking the right lane. I don't need schooled on the Harbor, I've lived in the Rock my entire 38 years of life. Thanks, though.

Thanks for explaining ahintexas, since I'm not local it's great to have long time locals explain the area. Very appreciated

 

[zippixx]

BBM! And thank you!

I do love to learn new things. So I am assuming that the sleuthable people are only people officially named by LE.

Now as to what I bolded in your reply to me. I think we can all agree that HF is/was not any mother's dream of a boyfriend for her daughter. When a daughter is an adult, you have sometimes bite your tongue and put up with what she chooses. (And roll your eyes in private!)

There is so much speculation about HF. I think it is entirely possible that Christina's family had no idea what sort of guy he really is. You see, I am assuming that I can outright criticize him although I cannot sleuth him. The most obvious reason that he did not report her missing probably isn't even that they were fighting. As to their personal comings and goings as a couple, who knows what sort of arrangement that they had. Each couple negotiates their own it would be rather foolish to assume that my standards of what constitutes a proper relationship or that anyone else's standards would necessarily apply to them.

To me the most obvious reason he did not report her missing is drugs. I am not launching some sort of conspiracy theory here and claiming that he and EA were in cahoots. What I am saying is simply that he was selling (probably) and using at the time. When folks say a party is over does not necessarily mean it is really over. The venue may merely be moved.

I base my belief on actually having been in a house where I believe people were using meth. It was not a pleasant experience. They do not eat (much), they do not sleep much and sometimes not at all, and this can go on a l-o-o-o-ng time. They are temperamental and callous and careless and move like the energizer bunny.

If we judge people who are using by reasonable people standards, we will just never understand. The assumption is that they should behave responsibly when, in fact, they not only won't behave responsibly; they can't. The drug is essentially making most of their decisions for them.

I know it is awful to say, but he may not have much noticed that she was not around. More brutally, for all we know, he did not much care.

Good post & I agree.. Even before the drug bust, many implicated him because of not reporting her missing, when in reality, as you stated.. he probably just didn't care. Had he had anything to do with it, you would think it would have been reported quickly, if anything, just to cover his own arse... but he just didn't care.. To me, the only thing he's guilty of, as far as their relationship, are drugs & the fact that........ he just didn't care.. Drugs will do that.

IMO, LE has their guy and it's just too obvious... JMO

 

[SteveS]

Ok, let me be more clear. The news may of said the "harbor area", but where the DFD dive team boat was located near the rocks, was about 2 miles from the Harbor. I drove right by as the police were blocking the right the lane. I don't need schooled on the Harbor, I've lived in the Rock my entire 38 years of life. Thanks, though.

My answer wasn't for your benefit, but for those not in the area.

But your answer has me puzzled. If the body was found about 2 miles from the Harbor, then how was it "near" the interstate which is almost right on top of the Harbor? Exactly which rocks are you pointing to?

 

[jennapuppy]

BBM! And thank you!

I do love to learn new things. So I am assuming that the sleuthable people are only people officially named by LE.

Now as to what I bolded in your reply to me. I think we can all agree that HF is/was not any mother's dream of a boyfriend for her daughter. When a daughter is an adult, you have sometimes bite your tongue and put up with what she chooses. (And roll your eyes in private!)

There is so much speculation about HF. I think it is entirely possible that Christina's family had no idea what sort of guy he really is. You see, I am assuming that I can outright criticize him although I cannot sleuth him. The most obvious reason that he did not report her missing probably isn't even that they were fighting. As to their personal comings and goings as a couple, who knows what sort of arrangement that they had. Each couple negotiates their own it would be rather foolish to assume that my standards of what constitutes a proper relationship or that anyone else's standards would necessarily apply to them.

To me, the most obvious reason he did not report her missing is drugs. I am not launching some sort of conspiracy theory here and claiming that he and EA were in cahoots. What I am saying is simply that he was selling (probably) and using at the time. When folks say a party is over does not necessarily mean it is really over. The venue may merely be moved.

I base my belief on actually having been in a house where I believe people were using meth. It was not a pleasant experience. They do not eat (much), they do not sleep much and sometimes not at all, and this can go on a l-o-o-o-ng time. They are temperamental and callous and careless and move like the energizer bunny.

If we judge people who are using by reasonable people standards, we will just never understand. The assumption is that they should behave responsibly when, in fact, they not only won't behave responsibly; they can't. The drug is essentially making most of their decisions for them.

I know it is awful to say, but he may not have much noticed that she was not around. More brutally, for all we know, he did not much care.

ETA: I am not assuming he did not care later.

Very eloquently stated. Thanks wasn't enough.

 

[ahintexas]

My answer wasn't for your benefit, but for those not in the area.

But your answer has me puzzled. If the body was found about 2 miles from the Harbor, then how was it "near" the interstate which is almost right on top of the Harbor? Exactly which rocks are you pointing to?

The bridge (I-30, over lake Ray hubbard) starts at Bass Pro, then you pass Dalrock Rd, which is about 5 miles to the Harbor. Where the dive team boat was located, right up against the rocks near the right hand lane of 30, about 2 miles to the first exit in Rockwall (which you'd take to go to the harbor).

Ok, maybe this will help. See the hood of my Tahoe in the photo I posted? To the right of my hood, is where the dive team boat was. I couldn't zoom in fast enough to actually snap a clear photo of the boat.


Sorry, on my phone. Not sure how to rotate photo.

 

[b.humble]

My answer wasn't for your benefit, but for those not in the area.

But your answer has me puzzled. If the body was found about 2 miles from the Harbor, then how was it "near" the interstate which is almost right on top of the Harbor? Exactly which rocks are you pointing to?

Thank you for describing where the Harbor is; my only familiarity with Rockwall is the shopping strip on the water (with Gloria's and Seawolf, the little dinky boat, which is actually super fun because you can BYOB and pretend DFW is scenic). Is "the harbor" the same thing as 'The Harbor'?

Off to clear out emails, why don't mailboxes have more storage, :gaah:! Will be back momentarily!

 

[SteveS]

The bridge (I-30, over lake Ray hubbard) starts at Bass Pro, then you pass Dalrock Rd, which is about 5 miles to the Harbor. Where the dive team boat was located, right up against the rocks near the right hand lane of 30, about 2 miles to the first exit in Rockwall (which you'd take to go to the harbor).

Thanks for the pic. I know exactly where that is, and I take it the rocks you mention were those over the edge of the bridge rather than at the shoreline. The Harbor, for those not local, is the complex seen in the background there in the pic on the waterfront.

DMN has more info - authorities think it may be someone from the Harbor.

A body was found near the Lake Ray Hubbard shoreline Saturday.

Officials say it may a person who was reported missing Friday from the Harbor area of Rockwall.


Rockwall police searched the area for several hours Friday after receiving a call about the person’s disappearance. The person was entered into the national database as a missing person Saturday, said Dallas police spokeswoman Officer Tramese Andrews.


About 1 p.m., a Dallas Fire Department boat assisting in the search found the body along the rocks of the eastbound Interstate Highway 30 Bridge over Lake Ray Hubbard, Andrews said.

Dallas police are handling the investigation because the body was in city of Dallas jurisdiction.

The identity of the person has not been released because next of kin have not yet been notified.

 

[yupikgirl]

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I'll delete if it's too big..first time posting a photo on here with my iPad. On my computer I can usually see the size...

 

[ahintexas]

Thanks for the pic. I know exactly where that is, and I take it the rocks you mention were those over the edge of the bridge rather than at the shoreline. The Harbor, for those not local, is the complex seen in the background there in the pic on the waterfront.

DMN has more info - authorities think it may be someone from the Harbor.

A body was found near the Lake Ray Hubbard shoreline Saturday.

Officials say it may a person who was reported missing Friday from the Harbor area of Rockwall.


Rockwall police searched the area for several hours Friday after receiving a call about the person’s disappearance. The person was entered into the national database as a missing person Saturday, said Dallas police spokeswoman Officer Tramese Andrews.


About 1 p.m., a Dallas Fire Department boat assisting in the search found the body along the rocks of the eastbound Interstate Highway 30 Bridge over Lake Ray Hubbard, Andrews said.

Dallas police are handling the investigation because the body was in city of Dallas jurisdiction.

The identity of the person has not been released because next of kin have not yet been notified.

Yes, rocks right over the bridge, not at the shore of the Harbor.

 

[ahintexas]

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Rotated the photo-
I'll delete if it's too big..first time posting a photo on here with my iPad. On my computer I can usually see the size...

Thanks. I uploaded photo upright, and when it posted, it somehow got rotated.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Thank you. I could not remember exactly the deal with the truck, but it seemed it was downplayed somewhat by LE, only to learn with was a huge deal.

The way I remember it, there were two white trucks to begin with and one of them was eliminated rather quickly.
LE actually announced the owner had come forward and was cleared.
The other truck had Mickey inside of it and some people swore her image was ever so slightly visible.
It turns out they were right and LE knew pretty quickly (probably LE obtained the enhanced video after not too long; we didn't know that though.)

Since it was the only lead the public had in the case, we discussed it ad nauseum. That's why we started calling it the damn white truck, and then it became DWT for short. LOL

In the meantime, LE was doing some of the best police work of any case I've followed.
This was revealed in hindsight. They tracked down the truck - he had abandoned the white truck iirc, set in on fire?, but police recovered the truck and identified its owner. Then they found out BL visited an emergency room in NOLA because MS did serious damage to one of his arms. All the while, we weren't privy to any of this evidence.

In the meantime, some people hung on to the idea that the good male friend of hers whose house she rode her bike away from, was the perp. I'm glad I wasn't one of them.
LE recovered her bike but she was nowhere to be found. Unlike with EA, there wasn't any evidence found connected to the friend but some people still insisted he was involved.

I had some cockamamie ideas too. One had to do with a frenemy of MS's from the horse stables or another pertained to an unknown patron from the bar they had left earlier or even that her dad ran over her in their driveway because he left around the same time she would have arrived home.
I'm embarrassed and regret that last theory.
To me it seemed so strange to be leaving for work at that time in the morning (but is common for some lines of work I guess).
This is an example of a coincidence that meant nothing but looked out of place imo.
Still, one can only discuss a damn white truck for so long, right?

But, it turns out MS met with foul play from a complete stranger who was an opportunist.
Police were on his track due to the white truck and surveillance video or lack thereof iirc.
They shared some video evidence with the public too as I recall.
If only we could turn the clock back and have a do over.

WOMEN SHOULD NOT BE TRAVELLING ALONE AT NIGHT.
Young women need to realize just how dangerous it is to do so.
How can we help them to become more aware and take better care of themselves?
Young people think us older ones are trying to ruin their fun or hinder them - even the young men view advice this way.
I figure all I can do is flap my jaws and hope some of what I say sinks in and then I pray.

While I still think it is weird not to have reported her missing sooner...she is/was 23, a full-fledged adult, not a child or even a vulnerable teen. If her mother(s) did not find it that unusual for her to be out of touch for 3-4 days, why should anyone else? And HF may have his own reasons (arguments, etc.) for assuming she just took off for a few days.

My sisters and I have an agreement that if they can't make contact with me over a 24-hour period, they will call my apartment manager and then two close friends whose numbers I have given them. But that is because I am in a city with no relatives, live alone, and have a very orderly routine life.

When twenty-somethings can't be reached, and no one panics, I have to assume it is not that unusual. Jmo

Because her mother knew Christina lived with her bf and assumed she was accounted for.
clu, I can't wait until your kid is 19-24. You'll see!
(Unless yours is one of those rare ones who was born mature!)

 

[daisytrail]

Good post & I agree.. Even before the drug bust, many implicated him because of not reporting her missing, when in reality, as you stated.. he probably just didn't care. Had he had anything to do with it, you would think it would have been reported quickly, if anything, just to cover his own arse... but he just didn't care.. To me, the only thing he's guilty of, as far as their relationship, are drugs & the fact that........ he just didn't care.. Drugs will do that.

IMO, LE has their guy and it's just too obvious... JMO

BBM

Generally, if one kills someone, one would start doing damage control right away. Also, no matter what sort of drugged state one is in, one does not forget that one killed someone. Just generalizing here, having myself never used those sort of drugs and never having killed someone.

However, I am precluding the possibility of significant planning or premeditation that would have to involve EA. But then, look at it. Does it in any way look like a well-planned crime? No, it does not.

 

[Happyshoes]

EA messed up right off the bat saying first that he didn't walk with her, he parked somewhere else, they didn't talk, she was never in his car, etc. He had to stick to that story. I think the girls at the apartment felt he was being creepy but only with SB and they were just glad he left. They didn't think Christina was in danger walking to her car. They may not have known that he was going to try to get her to get more drugs, go somewhere with him, I think they were done for the night. IMO he slowly became enraged at some point - maybe she did ride with him, then if he wasn't driving too well, she said take me back to my car. We may never know their conversations but I do believe LE was on EA immediately and with his first lie, it just snowballed and he put himself where he is. JMO

 

[b.humble]

Color me confused.

I went to the Terms of Service and realized that I may have been using the words Terms of Service incorrectly. Yes, I did read them, both the short and long versions.

Then I scratched my head over the term sleuthable. I think it means that some people can be considered a possible suspect and some cannot. Recently I had a bit of a problem with the word speculate when I suggested (not in this thread) that speculation is not evidence. I do know that victim blaming is not allowed. I hope that I would never do that! As to criticism, are we allowed to criticize the behavior of people connected with the case who are not suspects and are not family members of victims?

(I do know that we are not supposed to talk about each other.)

When I come to this thread sometimes, my head just spins.

I suppose I am not good at finding information sometimes. I read all the stuff that is officially TOS. I did.

I am still confused. Please, is there a glossary that would help me understand better?

Also, would some please tell me how the acronym BBM is being used here at WS. I went on line and got things like Brains By Mattel and a long list of other possibilities.

Help! :blushing: lease: :scared:

A) BBM
B) I had no idea what BBM meant either so thank you for asking!
C) Can I just take a moment to say the line, BBM, is possibly one of the greatest lines ever. Brains by Mattel?? That's gold.

 

[Bootsctr]

I know it is awful to say, but he may not have much noticed that she was not around. More brutally, for all we know, he did not much care.

ETA: I am not assuming he did not care later.

Respectfully snipped by me :seeya:

Great post! I think HF had moved on. We still don't know exactly what he told her or how she found out he had moved on with someone else, but she was very upset. Boss confirmed that and apparently the "discussion" continued into the wee hours of August 30th.

I don't have any information that would help LE, just a feeling that something isn't right. Too many holes.

If you go back to the beginning and the statement Nickerson gave the press:

"Steven Nickerson was with Morris before she went missing and said she seemed a little upset that night, but he didn't know what was wrong. He said she insisted on driving back home to Fort Worth, but he never realized it would be the last time he saw her before she was reported missing.

"She was loved by everyone. She was the nicest person I've ever met, great personality," said Nickerson. "I don't see anyone that could lay a finger on her."

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Search-Efforts-Continue-for-Missing-Fort-Worth-Woman-274404321.html

Sorry, not much to add to the discussion with only being able to sleuth EA. I think he got left holding the bag or DNA if you will. Just hoping the case had moved along a bit or at least her remains had been recovered.

I think drugs are involved. I think there were threats made that night. I think more than one person is involved.

I do know that it was her boss that alerted "a friend" that Christina had failed to report to work Saturday and Tuesday. Four days to miss someone that was loved by everyone. A crying shame for sure.

 

[zippixx]

EA messed up right off the bat saying first that he didn't walk with her, he parked somewhere else, they didn't talk, she was never in his car, etc. He had to stick to that story. I think the girls at the apartment felt he was being creepy but only with SB and they were just glad he left. They didn't think Christina was in danger walking to her car. They may not have known that he was going to try to get her to get more drugs, go somewhere with him, I think they were done for the night. IMO he slowly became enraged at some point - maybe she did ride with him, then if he wasn't driving too well, she said take me back to my car. We may never know their conversations but I do believe LE was on EA immediately and with his first lie, it just snowballed and he put himself where he is. JMO

Yeah, I can just see the detectives, after a few minutes of the first interview, shaking their heads in disbelief... :notgood:

 

[zippixx]

Hmm... they added the theft charge to EA's page... $1000.00 bond..

https://apps.collincountytx.gov/injail/InJailSearch.aspx

 

[Woe.be.gone]

[/QUOTE=Helen_Ready;11537310]I think it's interesting to read your opposing views and analysis or critiques of the way the case is being handled. Could you share your thoughts on who you think took Christina that goes along with the evidence that is available to the public.
Id be very open to your thoughts.[/QUOTE]


I'm not frisson but am concerned about the legitimacy of HF's alibi too.

He told LE he lost or misplaced his phone which was the reason he wasn't responding to CM's calls and texts.
The timing could have been during his drive to and from Plano, no?
If this were the case, his phone pings don't mean squat.

Add to the above, SN claims while at the last bar (SD), HF did communicate with CM
(the time would be after 12:30 a.m. but prior to 2:00 a.m.).
The subject had to do with CM's former bf (ALP) and that HF was upset with him for an unknown (to us) reason.
As a result of this communication, according to SN, CM was upset and began to cry.
Sometime after 2:00 a.m. there was a problem reported nearby PP's apartment building. We don't know if it is related to this case.

Some peeps like to point out that phone pings can rule someone in or out.
I think LE even made a comment about pings relative to another player in this case.
But if someone misplaced their phone during a time period important to the timeline of this case, they are in fact confirming they weren't with their phone, right?
Yet, not many people seem too concerned over the bf's coincidental loss of his phone?
How convenient or how inconvenient depending on how you look at it.
EA was hesitant to turn over his phone and is seen as a big red flag.
Yet, not many seem too bothered by the sketchy claims others made to LE.

No one, if they're telling the truth, should come off as sketchy imo.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Hmm... they added the theft charge to EA's page... $1000.00 bond..

https://apps.collincountytx.gov/injail/InJailSearch.aspx

What might be the significance of this iyo?

 

[zippixx]

What might be the significance of this iyo?

No idea.. oversight? I thought he was already "out" on bond for the theft charge.. Maybe it's for not appearing in court...

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/PDF-Enrique-Arochi-Wylie-Arrest-Record-281675911.html