GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #37 *Arrest*

[darring21]

If the prosecutor mentions this during the trial then please expect a not guilty verdict. He was 22 she 17. Okay. But these jurors are looking for the things that link him to this case. So by bringing this up; They may feel that the prosecutors case is weak and he is wasting their time and grasping at straws. Jmo

She was 16. If convicted, I don't think him committing statutory rape
is going to win him much sympathy.

 

[Gigglingtoes]

It's actually pretty simple... Doesn't matter if she consented or not bc she legally by the law wasn't of consenting age so he committed a crime. Whether websleuthers think she wanted sex or not with him doesn't matter. She admitted to sex and was underage and that's a wrap.

 

[darring21]

It's actually pretty simple... Doesn't matter if she consented or not bc she legally by the law wasn't of consenting age so he committed a crime. Whether websleuthers think she wanted sex or not with him doesn't matter. She admitted to sex and was underage and that's a wrap.

Succinct and you didn't attack anyone. How'd you do that? <Mod Snip>Clearly it doesn't make him any less guilty... just damages the reputation of this girl. Obviously, I don't understand it. A little too personal to ask but I wonder how many are parents of boys and can't hide their bias that comes from trying to protect them from false accusations?

 

[darring21]

The brilliance of Plano LE really shows with this child sexual charge.

1. It appears to be thorough detective work. It appears they followed one text from EA to put together the case.

2. They don't have a case without the victim's testimony. It appears they've got that plus corroborating testimony from a friend and an admission from EA. There will be others called, too. If that is the case, they've got a pretty easy conviction. It's illegal to have sex with a 16 year old when you're 22.

3. They are rushing this to the grand jury because they want this to go first. Here's where their brilliance shows through. The star witnesses for the prosecution will be EA's Mom and Dad to answer some uncomfortable questions about EA and what was happening in their house. Let me be clear, they are also victims of EA and it is unfortunate but remains a great strategy. Other prosecution witnesses aside from those mentioned above will be his brother and most recent girlfriend.

4. They'll get a conviction on this and it will put him away for at least 7 years. Then they'll get to the AK case and perhaps to the murder.

It really increases the pressure on EA to take a plea.

 

[Balor51]

Succinct and you didn't attack anyone. How'd you do that? I still find it curious that members want to diminish the crime by shifting the blame to her. Clearly it doesn't make him any less guilty... just damages the reputation of this girl. Obviously, I don't understand it. A little too personal to ask but I wonder how many are parents of boys and can't hide their bias that comes from trying to protect them?

I have two adult daughter's who were raped in their teens and I have two adult son's one of which was raped as a young teen. Want to go head on with our families experiences? I guarantee you won't enjoy it. NO ONE is blaming the girl. It it is exploring the situation. Try to set emotions aside at this time. Look a the situation as a whole. I seriously doubt women with sons are going to let their sons go around and rape. That is insulting.

So, where would Christina be? Ideas ?

 

[darring21]

I have two adult daughter's who were raped in their teens and I have two adult son's one of which was raped as a young teen. Want to go head with our families experiences? I guarantee you won't enjoy it. NO ONE is blaming the girl. It it is exploring the situation. Try to set emotions aside at this time. Look a the situation as a whole. I seriously doubt women with sons are going to let their sons go around and rape. That is insulting.

So, where would Christina be? Ideas ?

That's not what I meant to say. Parents with sons are worried about them being victims of false accusations.

 

[Balor51]

OK, I'll ask you then. It is illegal for a 22 year old to have sex with a 16 year old. It doesn't matter if she lied about her age, which there is no evidence of or if it was consensual. What do you accomplish by examining the victim's actions?

Sure it's illegal, but we have no idea of the entire story or circumstance, do we? I dated guys in their late 20's when I was a teenager. I lied to them about my age. I looked old enough to pass, plus I never got carded. I refuse to pass judgement at this point. I don't have all the facts. If this was consensual, sure he broke the law, but it's not murder. I'm more concerned with finding Christina and how she was killed. Isn't that the bigger priority?

 

[darring21]

Sure it's illegal, but we have no idea of the entire story or circumstance, do we? I dated guys in their late 20's when I was a teenager. I lied to them about my age. I looked old enough to pass, plus I never got carded. I refuse to pass judgement at this point. I don't have all the facts. If this was consensual, sure he broke the law, but it's not murder. I'm more concerned with finding Christina and how she was killed. Isn't that the bigger priority?

You admit its illegal and he broke the law but its not murder. It is child sexual assault. How does examining this victim's actions make him any less guilty or help find Christina?

 

[darring21]

If the sexual assault victim or her parents had come forward at the time, Christina would likely still be alive. Unfortunately, it if often very difficult for victims to come forward because they are met with doubt and hostility.

On this board we've had accusation that she lied, that she is like other bold girls, and generally that everything was and is fine. We're discussing this girl's virginity! This despite the fact that we know the questionable character of the suspect and the fact that the accusations don't diminish the crime.

If I start mentioning to neighbors, "I wonder if Tom is a child abuser?" and I get a few others to ask the same question, even though we have no evidence of this, we can do pretty good damage to Tom's reputation.

As far as I see it, making claims about the sexual assault victim accomplishes two things. Damages the reputation of the victim and contributes to the hostility faced by sexual assault victims.

 

[Balor51]

If the sexual assault victim or her parents had come forward at the time, Christina would likely still be alive. Unfortunately, it if often very difficult for victims to come forward because they are met with doubt and hostility.

On this board we've had accusation that she lied, that she is like other bold girls, and generally that everything was and is fine. This despite the fact that we know the questionable character of the suspect and the fact that the accusations don't diminish the crime.

If I start mentioning to neighbors, "I wonder if Tom is a child abuser?" and I get a few others to ask the same question, even though we have no evidence of this, we can do pretty good damage to Tom's reputation.

As far as I see it, making claims about the sexual assault victim accomplishes two things. Damages the reputation of the victim and contributes to the hostility faced by sexual assault victims.

Your reading way to much into what people are saying. Plus, the issue at this point and time is finding Christina, right? Or has that fell behind the couch to focus on this? I am more interested in finding Christina. That is the whole reason for this thread.

Why can't we figure out where Christina is? Again, ideas, thoughts, speculations? I'm still with landfill.

 

[suzyjackson]

I'm reading along with the posts on the SA charge I'm having a moral difficulty with it. I know it's an offence in TX but here the legal age of consent is 16 (not saying eitheWhilst I'r is right or wrong) so I feel a hyporcrite condeming him for something I did myself as a 16 year old and as do many 100,000s every single day in this country.

If it was a consensual act I don't think it is relevant to whatever has happened to Christina but agree that LE have to pursue the charge


JMO

 

[darring21]

Your reading way to much into what people are saying. Plus, the issue at this point and time is finding Christina, right? Or has that fell behind the couch to focus on this? I am more interested in finding Christina. That is the whole reason for this thread.

Why can't we figure out where Christina is? Again, ideas, thoughts, speculations? I'm still with landfill.

Unfortunately, I think you're right-- landfill. I say unfortunately because if that's the case, she isn't going to be found.

 

[suzyjackson]

Your reading way to much into what people are saying. Plus, the issue at this point and time is finding Christina, right? Or has that fell behind the couch to focus on this? I am more interested in finding Christina. That is the whole reason for this thread.

Why can't we figure out where Christina is? Again, ideas, thoughts, speculations? I'm still with landfill.

BBM - if this is the case is there any realistic prospect of finding her or her belongings? I know it's been said that records are kept that would enable the general area within the landfill to be identified. Would a privately funded search be possible? My guess would be that actually if Christina's belongings were thrown in a dumpster the likelihood of finding them could be quite high. A backpack and contents wouldn't have disintergrated in 6 months imo.

JMO

 

[SteveS]

Texas law says if you are a 22-year-old man, you can't go around having sex with teens 16 or below. They are younger and can be a bit impressionable and make stupid choices (and anyone who has kids understands that). For an older man to come in and talk one of them into sex, that's predatory behavior.

Would she have ever dated him at all if she knew he was 22? I doubt it. The entire foundation of their bf-gf thing was rooted in a predator's lie.

I have further suspicions. Haven't we heard that his current gf (R) (current as of last fall, at least) has been his gf for several years? I wouldn't be surprised if we find out that R was his REAL gf when all this went down, where he found this much younger girl on the side at his work, discovered she would fall for his lies, he could fake her into thinking she was his gf, and he could take her home from his work and get sex from her almost at will. And I wouldn't be surprised if we learn that there were others beyond this victim.

 

[Balor51]

BBM - if this is the case is there any realistic prospect of finding her or her belongings? I know it's been said that records are kept that would enable the general area within the landfill to be identified. Would a privately funded search be possible? My guess would be that actually if Christina's belongings were thrown in a dumpster the likelihood of finding them could be quite high. A backpack and contents wouldn't have disintergrated in 6 months imo.

JMO

Suzy, I am at the point that nothing at all will be found. As sad as it is to say, the landfills can forever hide everything. Sometimes, by the grace of God a body part can be found. But it is rare IMO. I do think it is worth the investment into a professional search team and dog teams. Because we never know if that one thing can be found. Grid searches of landfills are extremely hard. Layers up layers of decomposing garbage , decaying and going back to the earth. My first landfill search was when I was 19 and first month on the job. We found the victims head in a garbage bag. Due to decomposed, and not having the whole body, the DA never was able to prove how she was killed. Her husband was acquitted. I will never forget that day. But it taught me so much. I do have hope that cm is found. But I try to think logically and with the odds.

 

[Eileen730]

IMO
LE knew this GJ was meeting and are fearful he will get out so they needed
something that will keep him where he is.
I don't think this has anything at all to do with what happened to Christina and wont help to find her.

JMVOO

 

[Eileen730]

Suzy, I am at the point that nothing at all will be found. As sad as it is to say, the landfills can forever hide everything. Sometimes, by the grace of God a body part can be found. But it is rare IMO. I do think it is worth the investment into a professional search team and dog teams. Because we never know if that one thing can be found. Grid searches of landfills are extremely hard. Layers up layers of decomposing garbage , decaying and going back to the earth. My first landfill search was when I was 19 and first month on the job. We found the victims head in a garbage bag. Due to decomposed, and not having the whole body, the DA never was able to prove how she was killed. Her husband was acquitted. I will never forget that day. But it taught me so much. I do have hope that cm is found. But I try to think logically and with the odds.

Who is the guy with SAR dogs that went thur the 911 rubble?
anyone remember Harry something.
He searches but needs to be requested by LE just like tim Miller.

Harry oakes is it?

 

[Balor51]

Who is the guy with SAR dogs that went thur the 911 rubble?
anyone remember Harry something.
He searches but needs to be requested by LE just like tim Miller.

Harry oakes is it?

That is him

 

[CatsInTheCradle]

I'm reading along with the posts on the SA charge I'm having a moral difficulty with it. I know it's an offence in TX but here the legal age of consent is 16 (not saying eitheWhilst I'r is right or wrong) so I feel a hyporcrite condeming him for something I did myself as a 16 year old and as do many 100,000s every single day in this country.

If it was a consensual act I don't think it is relevant to whatever has happened to Christina but agree that LE have to pursue the charge


JMO

Thank you SuzyJackson. There is no way that I could stand on some sanctimonious platform and point fingers either. IMO this is a distraction to finding Christina and looks like a bunch of smoke and mirrors which actually concerns me going forward. JMO

 

[SteveS]

Sure it's illegal, but we have no idea of the entire story or circumstance, do we?

The "story" doesn't matter, does it? It's very illegal. There's not some sort of circumstance that is going to make it legal for EA to have had sex at 22 with a 16-year-old. That's predatory behavior, and a felony in Texas which is punishable by up to 20 years.