GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #39 *Arrest*

[zippixx]

Feel free to beg to differ, respecfully disagree, or roll your eyes (not you specifically Bae) but EA is definitely the only one charged in this crime, but he's not the only one jailed.

While I believe 95% EA is a lone wolf in this crime, I still have a weird inkling there's more to the story.

I don't believe in coincidence and can't let go of the good rock text.

I'm glad for Christina's family this is moving forward and I can only pray they find her before EA goes to trial.

It's not realistic he gets the maximum for AK and I would really hate to see Christina and her family not get justice for her death.

The "other one" jailed was under surveillance for about a month, before CM went missing & was busted with about 20 other people, for a non-related crime... I would imagine there were many "rock" texts among that crowd...

 

[MIKAYOYO]

The "other one" jailed was under surveillance for about a month, before CM went missing & was busted with about 20 other people, for a non-related crime... I would imagine there were many "rock" texts among that crowd...

All I said was EA wasn't the only one jailed. Never said there was a connection just a weird feeling on my part. Still unsure why people get so panty-twisted when it's brought up.

 

[zippixx]

All I said was EA wasn't the only one jailed. Never said there was a connection just a weird feeling on my part. Still unsure why people get so panty-twisted when it's brought up.

Just stating the facts... nothing twisted on me.. :angel:

 

[MIKAYOYO]

Just stating the facts... nothing twisted on me.. :angel:

And I was just stating my opinion.:innocent:

 

[Bootsctr]

"The aggravated kidnapping trial is scheduled to begin Nov. 30; the sexual assault trial will be during the week of Jan. 18, 2016. According to Prosecutor Zeke Fortenberry, the state anticipates it will need four or five days of testimony, based on current evidence and witnesses. Arochi’s court-appointed defense Attorney Keith Gore said he expects the defense will take about three days to present its case."

When asked how much time is needed for analysis of the Shop Vac contents, Fortenberry turned to lead Detective Robyn Busby, who indicated it will take about 90 days to sort and process the hairs and fibers. The state estimated it will take at least four or five months for all DNA results to be back.

“Some hairs have been identified as being potentially relevant to this case,” he said. “In this case, DNA has been expedited. The Plano Police Department has paid extra money to receive results as soon as possible.”

http://starlocalmedia.com/allenamer...cle_40e43854-eea6-11e4-a8a0-ef2e17c6426b.html

Sticking to my guns on this one - State needs the body/remains. Mountains (terabytes) of evidence and still no body... Prosecution expediting hair and fiber results... ? Strange. Hair and fiber would NOT be something I would be expediting. Sometimes it takes a while (even years) to build a murder case out of a missing person case. Justice cannot be rushed. More mistakes made when a rush to justice is made. Why no search of the landfills with the first search warrant? It's obvious prosecution believes Christina is dead, but yet they don't search landfills and the garage was never treated as a crime scene despite that being where Detective Stamm believes the assault took place and Christina left the garage in the trunk.

Christina could still be alive. There are huge blanks in this case. Waiting for the trial...

 

[SteveS]

Wait, what? There's nothing about this case that is proven by bodily remains. This is not a murder case. It's a "was Christina abducted by EA" case, and "EA forced her into his trunk" pretty well answers that.

 

[Bootsctr]

"Plano Detective Says She "Absolutely" Believes Christina Morris Was Murdered

By Stephen Young Fri., Jan. 16 2015 at 6:15 AM

Speaking at a hearing to determine whether Enrique Arochi, the man charged with the aggravated kidnapping of Christina Morris, deserved less than $1 million bail, one of the detectives investigating the case told prosecutors that she believes Arochi kidnapped and murdered Morris.

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unf...ly_believes_christina_morris_was_murdered.php

Nope, not a murder case, but here you have Detective Cathy Stamm testifying she believes Morris was murdered.

On the other hand, you have Christina's mothers who obviously believe Christina is still alive.

"Jonni McElroy, Morris’ mother, said that she understands the need and wants a fair trial, but that she’s ready for justice to be served.

“It’s been a long eight months, but giving up on Christina is not an option,” she said.

Anna Morris, the missing woman’s stepmother, said the family was prepared for the trial date to be set for the late fall and wants everyone to be prepared.

“I really hope that Christina is able to sit in there with us by then,” she said. “It’s going to be a rough day if she’s not with us.”


http://starlocalmedia.com/allenamer...cle_40e43854-eea6-11e4-a8a0-ef2e17c6426b.html

So, where is Christina? If they find her body, I do believe the charges will be extended to include murder. If they don't, then all the evidence they have isn't to prove murder, but kidnapping. Doesn't make sense. Sticking to my guns, the prosecutor wants Christina's body/remains. The trial has been set for November. Absolutely gives searchers more time to find her remains. They should have searched the landfills before now. If she's wrapped or placed in something from the home then I think the case would be much stronger.

So, going to side with the moms on this one and say Christina is still alive until proven otherwise. :waiting:

 

[Bootsctr]

Slightly off topic, but regarding an allegedly "faked" abduction:

"The night of the alleged abduction, the writer said, the team drilled holes in a window pane to release a lock to enter Quinn’s home. The sender said the team used plastic squirt guns with “strobe flashlights and laser pointers” duct-taped on them to mimic firearms.

During the alleged crime, Huskins and Quinn were given headphones playing “calming music and some spoken instructions” while the crew went to work with plans to monitor Quinn electronically so he would not go to authorities, the sender wrote. Then they put Huskins into the trunk of Quinn’s car and drove off, the e-mail said.

It was all a case of mistaken identity, the sender wrote. They thought someone besides Huskins would be in the house."

http://www.ksbw.com/news/purported-vallejo-kidnappers-demand-apology-from-police/32112636

Truth is stranger than fiction.

 

[Lrc143]

Thank you.
Something isn't sitting right with me about this case.
Some cases on WS (Bobo, Elvis and others) aren't as clear cut as some people portray imo.
The cases that are clear cut never seem to be encased in secrecy and mystery.

How and what evidence could possibly involve a file as large as Prosecutors describe this one?
Why the delay in obtaining the disc or flash drive to copy the files?
Sounds like a delay tactic or just a dumb excuse to delay sharing info with the defense (sorry, but that's what I think).
There is something Prosecutors don't want the public to find out about imo.
Whatever it is, probably doesn't have to do with kidnapping but what happened beyond.
Why such mystery surrounding a kidnapping and murder involving one perp?

IMHO I don't see how being the last one seen with the missing person, lies, DNA of CM in the trunk as being that mysterious. But that's just me I suppose. I do think the LE in the beginning where keeping tight lipped about EA (probably due to his flight risk), but really, I see this as normal police procedure. Can you show me a case where police (not the prosecution) laid it all out for the public before trial? Id be interested to see that.

 

[Lrc143]

And I was just stating my opinion.:innocent:

unclear on the correlation of you stating an opinion (which I think you should do!) to someone else stating a fact (in what I think was a nice way) = panties twisted?

 

[SteveS]

So, where is Christina? If they find her body, I do believe the charges will be extended to include murder. If they don't, then all the evidence they have isn't to prove murder, but kidnapping. Doesn't make sense. Sticking to my guns, the prosecutor wants Christina's body/remains. The trial has been set for November. Absolutely gives searchers more time to find her remains. They should have searched the landfills before now. If she's wrapped or placed in something from the home then I think the case would be much stronger.

As I noted previously, this is not a murder case. So the murkiness in your mind over whether she is alive is irrelevant to the issue of whether EA forced her into his trunk, ie abducted her, and proving she was murdered is not an element of this crime.

In addition, it's not a one-and-done situation. As we have discussed before, they can convict EA for the abduction, lock him away for 99 years and throw away the key, and then be able to spend more time as needed looking for CM and building the case for a capital murder trial.

Nothing is hampered by doing it this way. They can use every bit of this evidence again, in a murder trial, if they want to. And by getting the kidnapping conviction, they can get this creep off the streets until he's almost 125 years old and keep him from preying on another victim while they look for her, and who knows but what he had more victims we've yet to uncover.

 

[frisson]

thank you.
Something isn't sitting right with me about this case.
Some cases on ws (bobo, elvis and others) aren't as clear cut as some people portray imo.
The cases that are clear cut never seem to be encased in secrecy and mystery.

How and what evidence could possibly involve a file as large as prosecutors describe this one?
Why the delay in obtaining the disc or flash drive to copy the files?
Sounds like a delay tactic or just a dumb excuse to delay sharing info with the defense (sorry, but that's what i think).
There is something prosecutors don't want the public to find out about imo.
Whatever it is, probably doesn't have to do with kidnapping but what happened beyond.
Why such mystery surrounding a kidnapping and murder involving one perp?

this. ^^^^^^






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[MIKAYOYO]

All I said was EA wasn't the only one jailed. Never said there was a connection just a weird feeling on my part. Still unsure why people get so panty-twisted when it's brought up.

unclear on the correlation of you stating an opinion (which I think you should do!) to someone else stating a fact (in what I think was a nice way) = panties twisted?

Try again. My panties twisted comment was regarding the overall feedback when one states they still have hinky feelings towards a certain individual who is also sitting in jail, not at Zippi specifically or the facts stated. :seeya:

 

[Bootsctr]

As I noted previously, this is not a murder case. So the murkiness in your mind over whether she is alive is irrelevant to the issue of whether EA forced her into his trunk, ie abducted her, and proving she was murdered is not an element of this crime.

In addition, it's not a one-and-done situation. As we have discussed before, they can convict EA for the abduction, lock him away for 99 years and throw away the key, and then be able to spend more time as needed looking for CM and building the case for a capital murder trial.

Nothing is hampered by doing it this way. They can use every bit of this evidence again, in a murder trial, if they want to. And by getting the kidnapping conviction, they can get this creep off the streets until he's almost 125 years old and keep him from preying on another victim while they look for her, and who knows but what he had more victims we've yet to uncover.

Believe me, I understand what LE is doing. He was a flight risk and they decided to go ahead and charge him with kidnapping as they have him on tape as the last one seen with Christina and the DNA in the trunk, etc. The murkiness is my mind is of no importance. It is the defense creating murkiness in the mind of the jurors that EA kidnapped Christina that will decide the aggravated kidnapping case. And even if by some slim margin he happens to get off on the kidnapping charges, he will then go to trial for having sex with a minor and LE will be able to have him as a RSO in that case. All it takes is one lone juror to have some murkiness about EA kidnapping Christina in the garage. It already sounds like the defense knows what they are going to present and I am eager to hear their rebuttal to the evidence.

 

[zippixx]

Believe me, I understand what LE is doing. He was a flight risk and they decided to go ahead and charge him with kidnapping as they have him on tape as the last one seen with Christina and the DNA in the trunk, etc. The murkiness is my mind is of no importance. It is the defense creating murkiness in the mind of the jurors that EA kidnapped Christina that will decide the aggravated kidnapping case. And even if by some slim margin he happens to get off on the kidnapping charges, he will then go to trial for having sex with a minor and LE will be able to have him as a RSO in that case. All it takes is one lone juror to have some murkiness about EA kidnapping Christina in the garage. It already sounds like the defense knows what they are going to present and I am eager to hear their rebuttal to the evidence.

BBM

If your concern is LE proving that CM left the garage in EA's trunk, they never have made that statement. That seems to be the assumption of many..

The arrest warrant states that LE believes EA left the SAL area with CM in the trunk. So far, we know her phone quit pinging near the Granite location, which is in the SAL area.

From the hearing: Stamm said the most probable thing that happened was an altercation in the garage lead to Morris in the trunk. Stamm does not state that is where the actual assault happened. An altercation could be an argument, that later lead to the actual attack. Or, the altercation could have been with HF (phone call), so she got in the car with EA to calm down..
Also, LE has never stated that CM was not in the passenger seat. They just didn't find her DNA there.. My guess is EA got lucky with the vacuum..

ETA:

The last paragraph of the arrest warrant:
With the information obtained through this investigation. Affiant believes Enrique Arochi
Gutierrez committed the offense of Aggravated Kidnapping PC 20.04 on August 30. 2014.
in the area of the 5700 block of Legacy Drive at the Shops at Legacy in Plano, Collin County.
Texas. when he intentionally or knowingly abducted another person. Christina Marie Morris, with
the intent to inflict bodily injury on her or violate or abuse her sexually.

Again, nothing mentioned about leaving the garage in the trunk.

I can't find one official statement from LE/PPD that says "CM left the garage in EA's trunk". Someone correct me if I'm wrong..

Just throwing that information out there..

http://starlocalmedia.com/allenamer...cle_14dd4862-9de4-11e4-b48e-5765cf2b7e65.html

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1384021-morris-docs-121914.html#document/p1

 

[zippixx]

Believe me, I understand what LE is doing. He was a flight risk and they decided to go ahead and charge him with kidnapping as they have him on tape as the last one seen with Christina and the DNA in the trunk, etc. The murkiness is my mind is of no importance. It is the defense creating murkiness in the mind of the jurors that EA kidnapped Christina that will decide the aggravated kidnapping case. And even if by some slim margin he happens to get off on the kidnapping charges, he will then go to trial for having sex with a minor and LE will be able to have him as a RSO in that case. All it takes is one lone juror to have some murkiness about EA kidnapping Christina in the garage. It already sounds like the defense knows what they are going to present and I am eager to hear their rebuttal to the evidence.

BBM

The defense just got hold of the mountains of evidence, so I'm not so sure they know what their strategy will be yet.. Their work is cut out for them... :notgood:

 

[CuriousinNY]

I have not had much experience with the law. It got me thinking about what if the guy who was arrested was innocent (and I dont believe EA is innocent). He will be in jail for over a year before the trail. I am surprised the sexual assault charge will take so long to go to trail. It does not seem that it could take that long to get the case ready for trial. And if he were innocent, a year in jail would be an eternity

 

[SteveS]

I have not had much experience with the law. It got me thinking about what if the guy who was arrested was innocent (and I dont believe EA is innocent). He will be in jail for over a year before the trail. I am surprised the sexual assault charge will take so long to go to trail. It does not seem that it could take that long to get the case ready for trial. And if he were innocent, a year in jail would be an eternity

Time to get to trial depends on lots of factors. So a year-ish derives from what's in play in those various areas, not simply from the fact he was arrested and is going to trial.

This case has time-consuming forensic testing that literally adds months to the equation, not only re the DNA but also hair and fibers. And there apparently is a lot of that to be tested.

Layered on top of that, you have a fairly serious charge that can get him 99 years. With all of that to deal with at trial, and the need to try to find some angle to blunt such evidence, I can't imagine the defense was pushing the court for an earlier trial date here.

 

[Lolly85x]

If Christina's body is found before the trial then that majorly changes things obviously. But if it is not that only strengthens the kidnapping case against EA.

 

[heather.scissorhands]

If he didn't kill her and he just kidnapped her, where is she?