GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #39 *Arrest*

[heather.scissorhands]

exactly.

I think ea is without a doubt responsible for what happened to christina. I also think the other people in both ea and cm's lives (not openly sleuthed, mind you) need to be considered. Some of those texts and pings and witness statements may be crucial in finding christina.

What if those texts really do mean they drove together to see hf? Doesn't make hf guilty (well, not of this), but it could help trace cm's last moments and possibly find her.

Figuring out the relationships and communications between these people is not suggesting ea is innocent or was framed or what have you. It is just looking at everything. To find christina.

100% yes.

ETA: but, I'd ALSO love to know more about EA, as it could help us figure out what places he is familiar with and might use as a hiding place in an emergency.

 

[daisytrail]

Drug facts we know:

HF sold them
EA smoked a bowl of weed that evening (according to EA)
CM asked for an Adderall (according to EA)
LE believes Adderall & alcohol were being abused
Somebody sent a "rock" text

I'm not sure how any of that ties into Aggravated Kidnapping with sexual assault & probable murder. Seems weak to me... jmo

Excellent point! Except for whatever may have been consumed at the party before (and there may be no way to know this because people there may have their secrets!), those are the only things about drugs that seem at significant. Alcohol, pot, or Adderall are probably consumed in 95% of dorm rooms in America! Having a prescription for Adderall is legal.

The only thing that could really be a smoking gun of some sort is the good rock text.

Since LE keeps so many things close before trial, why did they mention that text at all? ? ? To me, that is something worth speculating on.

 

[Bootsctr]

All I know is that EA worked at Top Golf at one time. He did work for Sprint.

FWIW, as one good poster stated earlier in this case, "I don't have a horse in this race." It's not about liking one person better than another. I don't know either EA or HF nor their families. To be honest, at this point, I don't like either one of them very much.

As I have stated before, I think we have the best justice system in the world. I do believe in some aspects our justice system has gotten lazy and wants to fall back on something which requires less investigative effort such as video and DNA.

 

[daisytrail]

Thing is, a huge part of sleuthing EA and piecing together what happened that night involves looking at the possibility that other players may be involved.

But having read along on this thread from beginning until now, I see that suggesting that EA is only one piece of this puzzle is often met with disdain.

And that is a shame because Christina's whereabouts very well may be related to EA's communications or relationships with other people, in whatever capacity. Especially that night.

I know she was IN HIS TRUNK, but she isn't there NOW and if we really want to find her we need to look at a bigger picture. Christina's family deserves more than just a conviction. They deserve to place Christina's remains to rest.

JMO.

BBM

I so very much agree with this! Many people are frustrated because the rules laid down say HF is not sleuth-able. However, my frustration is in another direction entirely where TOS strictly limits sleuthing (at least here). We cannot look at EA's family. If one looks at his FB page, and I have, there are not many blank spaces where family may have unfriended him. They are really sticking by him, at least publicly. He also has many, many friends. So, folks, he had a life. The clues to where Christina may be are mostly likely in some way connected to that life.

 

[heather.scissorhands]

So, he MAY have knowledge of golf courses in his area. He may have knowledge of baseball fields bc of his interest in baseball. That's a good start.

We know, and have known, he had several phones, most likely because of his job at Sprint. Why did e need so many phones? Of course, it could be that. He was just flashy, but can we also assume he was snarky, perhaps?

We know he smoked weed, even in his car, he took/abused adderall and a text was sent from his phone regarding good Rock. He also told people at the Sprint store the night after CM went missing that "he was a good guy" because he didn't do the stuff he was actually doing (drinking, smoking weed, etc...)

Does anyone have any clues to find out if his family has property nearby? If he may have been a hunter?

 

[heather.scissorhands]

BBM

I so very much agree with this! Many people are frustrated because the rules laid down say HF is not sleuth-able. However, my frustration is in another direction entirely where TOS strictly limits sleuthing (at least here). We cannot look at EA's family. If one looks at his FB page, and I have, there are not many blank spaces where family may have unfriended him. They are really sticking by him, at least publicly. He also has many, many friends. So, folks, he had a life. The clues to where Christina may be are mostly likely in some way connected to that life.

Thank you for this post. I am certainly frustrated because it is so hard to figure out anything that can help find her if we just keep banging our head on the fact that she was in EAs trunk. How she got in that trunk and what happened to her after she was in that trunk is where the truth is and the path to finding her.

 

[SteveS]

Thank you for this post. I am certainly frustrated because it is so hard to figure out anything that can help find her if we just keep banging our head on the fact that she was in EAs trunk. How she got in that trunk and what happened to her after she was in that trunk is where the truth is and the path to finding her.

It's true that some of us keep reminding of the fact that she was IN EA's TRUNK.

But there's a reason for that. It's because those who want to wildly speculate are trying to invent someone else (who wasn't even there) at being the center of the events.

But we already know THAT person. It's EA. He was the last person ever known to be with her. It was his trunk where she was put. He's the one telling tall tales to cover up. Either he did it alone, or he had a helper, but it's EA at the center of things.

So Daisytrail's observation is brilliant: "So, folks, [EA] had a life. The clues to where Christina may be are mostly likely in some way connected to that life."

And that's why we keep reminding, because the speculation isn't about people from EA's life! As far as we know, EA was not especially close to anyone who was at the party. Nor as far as we know was he at all involved in the HF/Eden world (did he even really know them at all?)

So if we want to speculate that EA had a helper, it has to start with looking at EA. Who was he close to, if anyone, that he might call and say, "Hey, I just abducted/killed a girl. Help me with the deed. Or help me hide the body." If he calls anyone at all, he's certainly only calling someone he's super-tight with.

And of course that same sort of truth would apply to "where" as well as who. Was there something in his life, to point to a place he might have hidden CM?

She was IN HIS TRUNK. It's all about EA now. The answers lie with him and his life. Daisytrail nailed it.

 

[Mamamerced]

"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."
Christopher Hitchens
It is true here as well.
Respectfully, how can we on WS, with the limited amount of facts we have and within the TOS, actually find Christina?

 

[daisytrail]

"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."
Christopher Hitchens
It is true here as well.
Respectfully, how can we on WS, with the limited amount of facts we have and within the TOS, actually find Christina?

I actually wonder what LE is doing NOW to find Christina ? ? ? We have her family holding vigils, but what real search is actually going on, and if LE is not coordinating searches, what sort of resources committed can her family actually hope for? I know searching land fills is prohibitively expensive, but we are potentially talking about murder here.

It is so tragic that I could cry. We have a mother hoping against hope (and maybe against evidence) that her daughter is still alive. Is LE just sitting back and waiting to see if EA will make a deal? IMO, that is pretty lame. I don't think he is likely to make a deal. I know some people hope so, but nothing in his behavior to date suggests he is going to make a deal, unless it is a plea bargain offered on the AK alone.

My sad suspicion is that the prosecution will go for the slam dunk: The AK. My sad suspicion is that Christina's body would practically have to fall into their collective lap in order to make them do anything else. A murder trial brings with it so many more complications. That approach does not serve either justice, or the healing of Christina's family going forward, or public safety. If EA's motive was sexual assault, we need him put away as for as long as possible.

 

[Bootsctr]

Respectfully, with all the facts that LE has, why haven't they found Christina? Without a body, for all we know, she could be living in Costa Rica sipping a rum and coke by the beach.

Right to privacy

"In the United States you have the right to go missing if you want to," said Bill Carter, an FBI spokesman. "Individuals have the right to privacy."
http://www.startribune.com/local/stpaul/143269506.html

 

[daisytrail]

Respectfully, with all the facts that LE has, why haven't they found Christina? Without a body, for all we know, she could be living in Costa Rica sipping a rum and coke by the beach.

Right to privacy

"In the United States you have the right to go missing if you want to," said Bill Carter, an FBI spokesman. "Individuals have the right to privacy."
http://www.startribune.com/local/stpaul/143269506.html

With all due respect to the FBI agent, although he is basically right, there are a few exceptions to everyone's right to go missing.

 

[Suthrnqt]

Subscribing....

 

[MIKAYOYO]

"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."
Christopher Hitchens
It is true here as well.
Respectfully, how can we on WS, with the limited amount of facts we have and within the TOS, actually find Christina?

What are we here for then?

Websleuths has helped in several cases. No, we don't have all the facts, but the point is we brainstorm and try to help. I certainly don't come to websleuths for entertainment. You never know when someone can say something that makes a lightbulb go off.

 

[zippixx]

All I know is that EA worked at Top Golf at one time. He did work for Sprint.

FWIW, as one good poster stated earlier in this case, "I don't have a horse in this race." It's not about liking one person better than another. I don't know either EA or HF nor their families. To be honest, at this point, I don't like either one of them very much.

As I have stated before, I think we have the best justice system in the world. I do believe in some aspects our justice system has gotten lazy and wants to fall back on something which requires less investigative effort such as video and DNA.

I consider DNA & CCTV valuable & accurate tools, certainly not laziness. The results are factual & not just theories. DNA has also been used in releasing many individuals that were wrongly accused...

 

[zippixx]

What are we here for then?

Websleuths has helped in several cases. No, we don't have all the facts, but the point is we brainstorm and try to help. I certainly don't come to websleuths for entertainment. You never know when someone can say something that makes a lightbulb go off.

I don't know how many cases WS has helped & I do like the brainstorming. However, (imo) it is NOT helpful at all when ideas & theories go beyond the obvious evidence, such as trying to implicate a person/people, where there is NO evidence (as if LE hasn't already investigated that thoroughly) or suggesting the victim could be chilling on a beach somewhere (the evidence does not fit that at all).

 

[TheColonyMom]

I had a thought last night. With so many TV shows out now basically giving detailed instructions on how to dispose of a body without a trace (Breaking Bad, Dexter, etc. Shows I loved BTW), and so many of today's youth easily influenced by the media, could EA have gotten an idea from there?

So my thought unfortunately is she may be gone for good. The chemical angle, I think he'd be flagged for getting it and of course there's the issue of time and access. Burning is high on my list as its not difficult here to get out into a wooded area and start a fire undetected. Bagged and underwater, possibly. Not to mention if he had help eg. a family member then time constraints are no longer an issue. There's also the possibility that she's alive and that's the best case scenario. Thoughts?

 

[MIKAYOYO]

I don't know how many cases WS has helped & I do like the brainstorming. However, (imo) it is NOT helpful at all when ideas & theories go beyond the obvious evidence, such as trying to implicate a person/people, where there is NO evidence (as if LE hasn't already investigated that thoroughly) or suggesting the victim could be chilling on a beach somewhere (the evidence does not fit that at all).

Look, I totally get that EA is obviously guilty of this crime. However, to say there's no evidence of others being involved just makes my brain explode. I cannot comprehend how we can just dismiss the "good rock" text. A text that was sent to HF from EA's phone just minutes prior to her disappearance. MINUTES prior. To me, that is reasonable doubt. Yes, her DNA was in the trunk and so again, obviously EA is guilty. I just don't understand what it hurts for us to look at all reasonable theories without being shut down. MOO

 

[MIKAYOYO]

And I don't necessarily think HF was directly involved, but there's something there. And IMO I do NOT believe it was a solid SA motive. MOO

 

[EllieBee]

I don't know how many cases WS has helped & I do like the brainstorming. However, (imo) it is NOT helpful at all when ideas & theories go beyond the obvious evidence, such as trying to implicate a person/people, where there is NO evidence (as if LE hasn't already investigated that thoroughly) or suggesting the victim could be chilling on a beach somewhere (the evidence does not fit that at all).

Kind of like how the McStay family OBVIOUSLY was on the run and probably in Mexico?

Sometimes alternate theories are not the devil. Yes, Christina was IN HIS TRUNK. <modsnip>

Where is Christina NOW?

 

[zippixx]

Look, I totally get that EA is obviously guilty of this crime. However, to say there's no evidence of others being involved just makes my brain explode. I cannot comprehend how we can just dismiss the "good rock" text. A text that was sent to HF from EA's phone just minutes prior to her disappearance. MINUTES prior. To me, that is reasonable doubt. Yes, her DNA was in the trunk and so again, obviously EA is guilty. I just don't understand what it hurts for us to look at all reasonable theories without being shut down. MOO

What is the evidence? Also, nobody is "shutting down" anything. When someone posts a thought, theory, idea, there are going to be counter posts or reactions.. comes with the territory.<modsnip>