GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #39 *Arrest*

[Teamjustice]

We aren't to discuss EA's family in accusatory terms and/or as being accomplises to his crime.

And welcome.

appreciated!!

I honestly don't think I did, tho... I can say that any Mother would want to know where her child was if they were missing... and would want to know what happened to her said child. I feel as though I was not making accusatory suggestions or using accusatory terms and I sure don't believe his Mother was an accomplice to his crime.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

They have searches almost every weekend.. I wish they would find her... or EA just tells the truth.. So sad for both family's... But EA's family is protecting him, IMO.. and I don't know how any Mother on earth could sleep, knowing their son has information on what happened to a missing person who's DNA was found in his trunk.. a large amount on DNA.

Where is Christina Morris, EA?

BBM

This is what i was referring to. Imo

And honestly the ways things go here, it's probably ok.

I personally cannot blame a mom for sticking by her kid. As I said, we have no idea what she has or has not done to try to convince him to talk and unless it comes out that she helped him hide the body, she's a victim as well. IMO

 

[Teamjustice]

BBM

This is what i was referring to. Imo

And honestly the ways things go here, it's probably ok.

I personally cannot blame a mom for sticking by her kid. As I said, we have no idea what she has or has not done to try to convince him to talk and unless it comes out that she helped him hide the body, she's a victim as well. IMO

I totally agree, she is also a victim of circumstance, and I understand protecting your child, as any parent would. There is another family hurting and begging all for answers

 

[daisytrail]

We aren't suppose to go where at all? Please, let me know... I'm new on the forum and sure don't want to break rules!! This is just my opinion!

We are not supposed to sleuth EA's family in this forum simply because it is stated so at the beginning of this thread. This is because we have been told that EA is the only POI, but that does not mean that EA's family has the same protections as the family of the victim, IMO. I have read The TOS and the rules connected with TOS several times. Victims' families are not to be bashed. To me not bashing and not sleuthing are very different terms. I am sure the moderators can clarify further if you wish. In the instance of Christina Morris, the victim's family, boyfriend, and friends are not to be sleuthed.

 

[Teamjustice]

We are not supposed to sleuth EA's family in this forum simply because it is stated so at the beginning of this thread. This is because we have been told that EA is the only POI, but that does not mean that EA's family has the same protections as the family of the victim, IMO. I have read The TOS and the rules connected with TOS several times. Victims' families are not to be bashed. To me not bashing and not sleuthing are very different terms. I am sure the moderators can clarify further if you wish. In the instance of Christina Morris, the victim's family, boyfriend, and friends are not to be sleuthed.

Maybe I should rephrase my statement...

AS a Mother, I don't know how I could not be honest and tell the family of CM the truth. I'm not accusing them of anything.. I stated they were a victim in all this as well.. I feel bad for them and not bashing them whatsoever. They do what they do for their child.

 

[pappa rob]

So many replies today! I thought something major had happened. I was a little nervous to read! Glad to see discussions and interesting conversations going on, though.

I'm VERY curious about that unknown male DNA. And I still want to try to find out more about EA and what properties he may have been familiar with in Real Estate, golf courses he may have known well, other hobbies/interests, etc...

The ad I see if for a Rain Jacket.mand it's cute. And I do need one. But, darn you ads! Stop being creepy!

The unknown male DNA part, I don't think they hadn't had time to process EA's yet. They didn't get a sample until he was arrested. I'm not sure if he had any properties was managing, his dad's in real-estate. I'm sure he didn't have much except a job title, except in name only.

 

[Eileen730]

They have searches almost every weekend.. I wish they would find her... or EA just tells the truth.. So sad for both family's... But EA's family is protecting him, IMO.. and I don't know how any Mother on earth could sleep, knowing their son has information on what happened to a missing person who's DNA was found in his trunk.. a large amount on DNA.

Where is Christina Morris, EA?

Enrique is her son and I think she believes every word he has said to her.
Its not moms fault this happened and im sure she cant sleep at night knowing her son is charged with these crimes
JMO

I think they should be searching closer to her HOME. I do not think they will find her near the shops.

 

[Eileen730]

The unknown male DNA part, I don't think they hadn't had time to process EA's yet. They didn't get a sample until he was arrested. I'm not sure if he had any properties was managing, his dad's in real-estate. I'm sure he didn't have much except a job title, except in name only.

Do you really think they didn't have his dna?
Coldnt they have gotten it when they raided his trash cans and recycles.
all they needed was a water bottle or a soda can!

 

[SteveS]

Do you really think they didn't have his dna?

Of course they did NOT have his DNA. Clearly. That is the very reason they needed, obtained, and executed a warrant to allow them to get a sample of it after he was arrested.

If your question is more about why directly from him, at that point, and not 2nd hand from a random object, why not? Getting it directly from the person by personally and directly swabbing their mouth or other, is always the most desirable source for a person's DNA. If you have that option (and they did), you go there.

 

[cluciano63]

EA could have popped the trunk with his key fob as they approached the cars. It would take about three seconds to pick her up and throw her in the trunk.

Also I think LE has detailed info as to HF's whereabouts that night, not just a vague assumption he was elsewhere. He may have had a tail, for all we know.

As far as Christina being found closer to her home in FW...we don't know that EA had any idea where she and HF lived, as far as I know. And I don't think she had a chance to give him directions or accepted a ride with him all the way out there...but jmo.

 

[GGE]

I'm not Boots, but in my (lack of) knowledge of vehicles, the hood and trunk are one and the same. I know they aren't really, but for me the two words are interchangable. I think Boots is saying what he/she would do if he/she were stuck IN THE TRUNK and conscious, and is speculating on what Christina would/could have done if that was possible. After all, the one fact we know is she was IN THE TRUNK. MOO

This is a US case, and in the US the hood is the bonnet, the part in front of the car that covers the engine compartment. The trunk is the boot, the back compartment where you stow groceries.

They are not interchangeable terms.

The DNA was in the trunk, not the engine compartment.

 

[GGE]

I haven't revisited this thread for exact details in ages, so forgive me if this is overly simplistic or whatever, but I thought he had fresh damage to the front end of his car.. both sides even I think.

I've always considered him to be like a certain overly abusive and controlling male I've known in my own life when imagining the scenario... they walk into the garage, he tries to persuade her to spend some additional time with him for whatever purpose, she declines repeatedly and he gets into his car and she continues on to hers, he pulls in front of her several times to cut off her path and argue/persuade her more strongly, eventually accidentally hitting her, panics, gets out to try to tell her how its' not his fault, she should've just gotten in, she screams at him to GTFO, he loses it, hits her, throws her unconscious into the trunk and takes off.

Probably complete hogwash but that's how I've always seen it going down in my mind's eye. As such he'll likely maintain it was an accident if we even get that much out of him at any point, JMO.

 

[zippixx]

I realize I am woefully behind and I apologize. But I really needed to respond here Zip...

Thank you so much for your objective viewpoint always. Thoughtful, respectful, effective.... -

Without trying to start a meeting of the Mutual Admiration Society, I just wanted to tell you that sometimes when I want to react, I stop and I say '"well let me see what Zippi says". I DO!.

I actually do.

Thanks.

Thank you... you are too kind.

 

[daisytrail]

Maybe I should rephrase my statement...

AS a Mother, I don't know how I could not be honest and tell the family of CM the truth. I'm not accusing them of anything.. I stated they were a victim in all this as well.. I feel bad for them and not bashing them whatsoever. They do what they do for their child.

I want to be polite here, because you are new here. I myself have not been around for such a long time. You do not seem to really be asking a TOS question here. (For that, I merely refer you to the mods) You seem to be making a sort of appeal here to good conscience. You may be addressing the wrong person to meet your needs. I may disappoint you because I am a realist. Here is my take:

• Your first sentence presumes that EA's mother knows the truth. I have seen no such evidence.
• I have seen no evidence that EA's father knows the truth.
• I disagree that EA's family are victims. They are the family of the accused. In discussing crime, I characterize victims as those harmed by the crime directly, the family members of the victim who did not themselves participate in the crime, and should the victim be dead, her survivors.
• EA may not really have a conscience to appeal to. I believe him to be a narcissist of the worst sort and perhaps an actual psychopath. I don't much see help for his conscience.

Moreover, as a tactic to find what actually happened to Christina, I believe the efforts directed at getting EA to tell what happened by using appeals to his conscience, offers of forgiveness, pressure on his family to all be utterly useless in terms of extracting the desired result. In my opinion, these won't work.

 

[Teamjustice]

I want to be polite here, because you are new here. I myself have not been around for such a long time. You do not seem to really be asking a TOS question here. (For that, I merely refer you to the mods) You seem to be making a sort of appeal here to good conscience. You may be addressing the wrong person to meet your needs. I may disappoint you because I am a realist. Here is my take:

• Your first sentence presumes that EA's mother knows the truth. I have seen no such evidence.
• I have seen no evidence that EA's father knows the truth.
• I disagree that EA's family are victims. They are the family of the accused. In discussing crime, I characterize victims as those harmed by the crime directly, the family members of the victim who did not themselves participate in the crime, and should the victim be dead, her survivors.
• EA may not really have a conscience to appeal to. I believe him to be a narcissist of the worst sort and perhaps an actual psychopath. I don't much see help for his conscience.

Moreover, as a tactic to find what actually happened to Christina, I believe the efforts directed at getting EA to tell what happened by using appeals to his conscience, offers of forgiveness, pressure on his family to all be utterly useless in terms of extracting the desired result. In my opinion, these won't work.

Just as you read my opinion, I read yours. We agree to disagree. No problem with having our own opinions.. Thank you for yours.

This case is dear to my heart.. and no, I wasn't addressing anyone... I simply stated an opinion with no ulterior motive to have my needs met.

IMO, EA holds every answer our community needs to heal and bring her home, you just don't have DNA in your trunk of a missing girl.

 

[zippixx]

I want to be polite here, because you are new here. I myself have not been around for such a long time. You do not seem to really be asking a TOS question here. (For that, I merely refer you to the mods) You seem to be making a sort of appeal here to good conscience. You may be addressing the wrong person to meet your needs. I may disappoint you because I am a realist. Here is my take:

• Your first sentence presumes that EA's mother knows the truth. I have seen no such evidence.
• I have seen no evidence that EA's father knows the truth.
• I disagree that EA's family are victims. They are the family of the accused. In discussing crime, I characterize victims as those harmed by the crime directly, the family members of the victim who did not themselves participate in the crime, and should the victim be dead, her survivors.
• EA may not really have a conscience to appeal to. I believe him to be a narcissist of the worst sort and perhaps an actual psychopath. I don't much see help for his conscience.

Moreover, as a tactic to find what actually happened to Christina, I believe the efforts directed at getting EA to tell what happened by using appeals to his conscience, offers of forgiveness, pressure on his family to all be utterly useless in terms of extracting the desired result. In my opinion, these won't work.

IMO & from all we know at this point, I believe EA feels that CM & family deserve what they got. His thinking would be along the lines of: How dare them picket & protest my family.. How dare her not cooperate with my advances... I'm not about to tell what happened (unless of course I get something out of it) jmo, imo

 

[frisson]

IMO:
I've been posting on here since early November & never once had the feeling that anyone was dictating to me what to post, what to believe, or what not to believe. I read posts & sometimes I agree, sometimes I don't... sometimes i comment, sometimes I don't. Many times I scroll & roll.. Sometimes I take a few days off..
But, I'm just not seeing any sign of anyone saying what is ok to post.. Maybe some are too thin-skinned... or maybe I'm naive (lol).. dunno
JMO & IMO!!

Zippi, perhaps you feel that way bc you have never been the target. People are not thin skinned imo. They just dont enjoy being insulted. We are all fellow posters. Your kindness in tone is noticed and appreciated

 

[frisson]

Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching

In respect to drugs in this case, there are plenty of facts and I would love nothing more than to lay those out for you in bold letters. However, it is a thin line we walk when discussing CM, HF, and their lifestyle. It is not speculation. It is not fiction. It is fact that drugs play some part in this case. LE will certainly take the rock text at face value regardless of who sent it.

Plenty of facts....curious... I keep hearing this from a few but get nothing... You can discretely share... Use analogies... Scenarios not directly referring to CM..

BBM

Helen_Ready, I thought there was a mod note upthread or a few pages ago (or a thread back) warning against not doing those very things that you mentioned. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.

 

[daisytrail]

BBM

Helen_Ready, I thought there was a mod note upthread or a few pages ago (or a thread back) warning against not doing those very things that you mentioned. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.

Here is my take, although Helen_Ready can certainly provide hers on her own words: There is a line. It has been drawn. On one side of it one is within the rules (Let us say the right side). On the other side of it one is not (Let us say the left side). We have TOS that we can read and the more detailed spelling out of TOS attached. On the right side of the line, there is really a sort of playground. You get in trouble for pushing and shoving. Some words push and some words shove, but pick up a very large dictionary and weigh it. It is very heavy. Imagine that not only are there words inside but most of those words have very complicated connotations. Other words may seem more simple and straightforward, but honestly, those words are ones with a bit of wiggle room as well. One can be direct and everyone will understand what you mean. One can be subtle and only some people -- but still many -- will understand what you mean. One can be oblique and symbolic and only people who know you, perhaps those you PM or even people you visit with on your own social media page, will know what you mean.

I know, I know, I know. There are people who think this is outrageous and the blunt, sometimes even harsh direct route is the only route to the truth. I disagree. I cut my teeth on words. In college I studied words and they way that they are put together to communicate on a multitude of levels. The world of communication is huge. A vast playground. Play.

 

[Helen_Ready]

Here is my take, although Helen_Ready can certainly provide hers on her own words: There is a line. It has been drawn. On one side of it one is within the rules (Let us say the right side). On the other side of it one is not (Let us say the left side). We have TOS that we can read and the more detailed spelling out of TOS attached. On the right side of the line, there is really a sort of playground. You get in trouble for pushing and shoving. Some words push and some words shove, but pick up a very large dictionary and weigh it. It is very heavy. Imagine that not only are there words inside but most of those words have very complicated connotations. Other words may seem more simple and straightforward, but honestly, those words are ones with a bit of wiggle room as well. One can be direct and everyone will understand what you mean. One can be subtle and only some people -- but still many -- will understand what you mean. One can be oblique and symbolic and only people who know you, perhaps those you PM or even people you visit with on your own social media page, will know what you mean.

I know, I know, I know. There are people who think this is outrageous and the blunt, sometimes even harsh direct route is the only route to the truth. I disagree. I cut my teeth on words. In college I studied words and they way that they are put together to communicate on a multitude of levels. The world of communication is huge. A vast playground. Play.

I agree. Thank you. And back to finding Christina!