GUILTY TX - Christina Morris, 23, Plano, 30 August 2014 - #40 *Arrest*

[DexterMorgan]

Respectfully, the 4 day window doesn't tell me anything... JMO

Respectfully. You may be right. I'm just still mad at Hunter for truly not giving a crap at all during the 4 days. Jmo

 

[scaredtopost]

Respectfully. You may be right. I'm just still mad at Hunter for truly not giving a crap at all during the 4 days. Jmo

O/T - Love the new pic DM. I wanted to watch an episode this evening but DH said Dexter was too depressing for Christmas Eve lol.

Justice for Christina!

 

[JnRyan]

Coming up on 2016 and still nothing on where Christina is. I've done a Google search on the skull found at White Rock Creek and no updates. I'm hoping she is found so the family can know something and this case can get jump started. Frustrating.

 

[2Hope4]

There's many things in life that completely scare the heck out of me. Me personally dieing, I'm not afraid of. I mean anyone could kill me, but they can't take my soul. Somehow that helps me. But, when it comes to my husband or kids, I know their heart and soul belong to the Lord, but I don't want to live without them. Losing either of them scares me. Losing one and not knowing if they are dead, or alive and choosing to be away from me, or alive and held captive, or never knowing....I honestly don't know how these families survive. I'm sure they've wondered how they've taken the next breath, or survived another day of not knowing. Just horrific, unrelenting anguish. Worsened when SOMEONE has the darn answers and refuses to give them.

My prayers continue for the families of the lost. Please let their loved ones be found. Please give them some peace.

And how do all these people go missing, many for decades or more before being found, and some never found??? How is that a human being can occupy a place on this earth, and another human never enters that same area? Why are so many found only by chance? So many by hikers, bikers, hunters out enjoying their day, most never heard of the missing person, and find their remains? It just seems so unrealistic, yet it's reality! Look at Morgan Harrington, and Hannah Graham both went missing near the same area in VA. Extensive searches, they were luckily found. Yet Alexis Murphy still hasn't been found, and neither has the young man that went missing near Charlottesville, I can see his face, but can't think of name.

Sorry for rambling thoughts this early morning, but just heart breaking for so many.

 

[pappa rob]

Great post 2hope4, just hitting the thanks button wasn't enough! All family's deserve that kind of closure at least.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Well since Hunter gave Enrique a 4 day window since he never reported her missing. Tells us that Enrique may have removed the body.

Enrique didn't know he had 4 days. As far as he knew, Hunter thought Christina was on her way home and potentially would have been looking for her within a few hours at most, and he knew that Hunter knew Christina was with Enrique as she was leaving the party because she called from EA's phone. It's highly unlikely that he moved her body once he disposed of it. He was clearly in clean up mode by 11 am as witnessed by the Kroger video. I think he would have been too afraid to go back to the site, paranoid about being followed.

 

[CookieM]

Enrique didn't know he had 4 days. As far as he knew, Hunter thought Christina was on her way home and potentially would have been looking for her within a few hours at most, and he knew that Hunter knew Christina was with Enrique as she was leaving the party because she called from EA's phone. It's highly unlikely that he moved her body once he disposed of it. He was clearly in clean up mode by 11 am as witnessed by the Kroger video. I think he would have been too afraid to go back to the site, paranoid about being followed.

I think we talked about this before (well, after all these threads, I'm SURE we did...) and I stated that in my mind we have no idea what Enrique thought about how much time "he would have." In one news report, Hunter said that he himself didn't alert to her being missing because he thought she had gone up to OK to see her mom. So Christina may have said something out loud to Enrique to that effect as well. We know she spent the whole night freaked out trying to reach Hunter and when he wasn't answering or when they were arguing on the phone earlier, she may have said something like: "I f you keep this up I'll go stay with my mom in OK."

We just really have no idea what all was said. On the way to the garage she could have even said something like that. She could have told Enrique she wanted a ride to her dad's house because she needed her extra set of keys (yes, I brought up the keys again...and no, we don't know for a fact that she had lost them and then found them and possibly lost them again -- but I think it's a good possibility for a way that Enrique could have manipulated the situation so that she realized she needed a ride once inside the garage) and said that she would call in to work when she woke up and then call her mom and tell her she was going to drive up to OK. Who knows???
Just throwing some ideas out there to point out that we have no idea what Enrique thought about a time frame.

moo

 

[JnRyan]

On the 40th thread and over a year later and in spite of an arrest the entire matter seems to be moving way too slow even though there is an arrest. And if I'm frustrated by it, I can't even imagine what Christina's family is feeling.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

The onnly way EA would know how long it would take for HF to report her missing is if they were in cahootts, and that's off limits.

I realy believe EA dumped her pretty quick. I'm thinking Lucas area and Lake Lavon. MOO

I believe she will be found but I don't think it will be before his trial. I don't know what tthey can do then as I would think the body would be void of any forennsic evidennce. If he is convicted of her kidnapping, how would that affect a murder trial? Could they still get murder one? MOO

 

[JnRyan]

The onnly way EA would know how long it would take for HF to report her missing is if they were in cahootts, and that's off limits.

I realy believe EA dumped her pretty quick. I'm thinking Lucas area and Lake Lavon. MOO

I believe she will be found but I don't think it will be before his trial. I don't know what tthey can do then as I would think the body would be void of any forennsic evidennce. If he is convicted of her kidnapping, how would that affect a murder trial? Could they still get murder one? MOO

I agree and that's why I believe any effort he made happened between 4:30 or 5:00 and first light. Even though full sunrise on the 30th and 31st was 7:01 in DFW, first light would have been between 5:35 and 6:06 according to records. EA was not likely a hunter or fisherman, so when he saw the sky start to lighten up I believe panic would have set in. He has to be thinking that with sunrise comes a greater chance of being seen without the dark and a greater number of drivers out on the road. I believe he made a sloppy job of it, but he just got lucky. So far. I don't know about actually IN Lake Lavon as I believe it's water level was very low then and also to get a body to deep enough water he would probably need a boat. But probably in the wooded areas surrounding. If he could get there in 30-45 minutes. Also, my friends in LE tell me that the early morning hours between 0300 and 0600 are when they catch drunk drivers going home. EA would have to be concerned about LE with a body in the car, so the quicker he can get out of his car the better. I also seriously doubt he moved her as this is not an experienced, hardened murderer here. Where he put her that morning is where she still is.

The only thing I believe the 4 days really gives him is a chance to try and eliminate forensic evidence like with his clothes or in his car.

 

[jnblsm]

I think there's a reason they called it Aggravated Kidnapping. Maybe that charge has some clause that can convict him of murder:

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[zippixx]

I think there's a reason they called it Aggravated Kidnapping. Maybe that charge has some clause that can convict him of murder:

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Someone correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm pretty sure we have discussed this), but I don't believe there is any such clause (about murder) pertaining to AK, however there is no statute of limitations on a murder charge. If EA is found guilty (or not guilty) on the AK charge, he can still be slapped with a separate murder charge & tried for that, at a later date. Again, hopefully someone with more knowledge will chime in.... (SteveS...?)

 

[MIKAYOYO]

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Someone correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm pretty sure we have discussed this), but I don't believe there is any such clause (about murder) pertaining to AK, however there is no statute of limitations on a murder charge. If EA is found guilty (or not guilty) on the AK charge, he can still be slapped with a separate murder charge & tried for that, at a later date. Again, hopefully someone with more knowledge will chime in.... (SteveS...?)

I agree he can be charged for murder, but i wannder about murder one. If he has already been tried for AK, what other facttors can be used to get a capital offense? I don't know much about laws but I though tthere had to be some oher factors to get capital punishment ad he wouldn't be able to be tried for the AK again. MOO

 

[zippixx]

I agree he can be charged for murder, but i wannder about murder one. If he has already been tried for AK, what other facttors can be used to get a capital offense? I don't know much about laws but I though tthere had to be some oher factors to get capital punishment ad he wouldn't be able to be tried for the AK again. MOO

Assuming EA did murder CM, I doubt it would be classified as first degree (murder one). First degree is defined as premeditated & planned, which I don't believe was the case (jmo). More than likely (my guess) it would be second degree. But, as you said, I'm no law expert either & only know what I read on Google, when I look it up... so, consider this JMO, MOO etc etc blah blah blah.....

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/first-degree-murder-overview.html

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/second-degree-murder-overview.html

 

[JnRyan]

Assuming EA did murder CM, I doubt it would be classified as first degree (murder one). First degree is defined as premeditated & planned, which I don't believe was the case (jmo). More than likely (my guess) it would be second degree. But, as you said, I'm no law expert either & only know what I read on Google, when I look it up... so, consider this JMO, MOO etc etc blah blah blah.....

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/first-degree-murder-overview.html

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/second-degree-murder-overview.html

There may an exception. If someone kills while in the act of committing another felony - burglary, car-jacking, armed robbery, etc. - then the murder could be bumped up to first degree. If the prosecutor can prove the kidnapping was premeditated, then maybe they can go for 1st degree murder. I don't what the law is in Texas, but it used to be that way in Louisiana.

 

[SteveS]

Re the possibility of a later murder charge against EA:

1 The charge for kidnapping, including the legal level of it (ie, "aggravated") has no impact either way on the potential to try and convict EA of other crimes (including the murder of Christina).

But the fact it is categorized as "aggravating" is still of real significance. By it being an aggravated charge, if proven they can sentence him to a much longer sentence, including the ability to almost literally put him in jail and throw away the key. With there being no statute of limitations on murder, that gives them all the time they want to find whatever they might need and bring the murder charge when they feel the time is right.

And they don't want this predator walking the streets of Collin County ever again, imo.

2 Imo the fact she is still missing, including the fact that the impact to her family is ongoing and he has refused to help, will have a considerable effect on the length of his sentence. Would you want him to have the chance to be let out while CM is still missing? I wouldn't, because imo as long as she is missing, a crime is ongoing.

3 Re their ability to make it a "capital" murder charge, in a way the state has already laid the groundwork for that possibility in their wording on the AK case. In it, they talk about EA more or less being sexually frustrated and deciding to prey on CM, as predators do. Even if he first thought it out on the walk to the car, that's all the premeditation that would be required (not days of thinking ahead and some sort of complex plan), provided the death was a result of his ensuing illegal predatory actions against her.

4 In addition, if he's convicted of AK and then also later convicted of SA, they then have "multiple convictions for multiple predatory actions" that can be argued in relation to intent, in a later murder case.

Summary - I have said for more than a year, and I still believe, that EA would be smart to try to work a deal before the AK trial, swapping info on CM's location for a cap on his downside. Otherwise, I think this is a death trap that he's stupidly risking, with the state taking one gradual step after another with little risk to them and that tightens the noose each time. He can wind up on death row before it's all over, with his exit opportunities vanishing the longer he waits and the deals getting less attractive. Time is not on EA's side.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Summary - I have said for more than a year, and I still believe, that EA would be smart to try to work a deal before the AK trial, swapping info on CM's location for a cap on his downside. Otherwise, I think this is a death trap that he's stupidly risking, with the state taking one gradual step after another with little risk to them and that tightens the noose each time. He can wind up on death row before it's all over, with his exit opportunities vanishing the longer he waits and the deals getting less attractive. Time is not on EA's side.

This is where I think that "spokesperson", Carlos something-or-other, I think it starts with a Q, is actually helpful...because I think he's convinced EA that if he keeps his mouth shut he'll walk. So thanks for that, Carlos Spokesperson!! Keep telling him to stay quiet and not take any deals!! Because we want him in prison for a loooong time!!

 

[zippixx]

This is where I think that "spokesperson", Carlos something-or-other, I think it starts with a Q, is actually helpful...because I think he's convinced EA that if he keeps his mouth shut he'll walk. So thanks for that, Carlos Spokesperson!! Keep telling him to stay quiet and not take any deals!! Because we want him in prison for a loooong time!!

I would much rather him talk & make some sort of deal, so CM will be found.... (maybe life, instead of death row)

The family needs closure...

 

[sloane7777]

I would much rather him talk & make some sort of deal, so CM will be found.... (maybe life, instead of death row)

The family needs closure...

I personally will be shocked if he gets anything over 10 years , I just saw this happen to a family I know well , very similar circumstances, except in this case he tried to burn the body and didn't bother to hide it, I have also seen the aftermath as all family members were in utter shock , I hope Christina's Family are totally prepared for what may or may not happen, I am so sad for all the people who have to go thru this knowing that one day they could bump into this person, its beyond disturbing. I used to think murder was a automatic life sentence , but it seems its only a life sentence for the families

 

[SteveS]

I personally will be shocked if he gets anything over 10 years , I just saw this happen to a family I know well, very similar circumstances, except in this case he tried to burn the body and didn't bother to hide it

What case was that (defendant, and victim)? It doesn't sound like Texas, but I guess crazy stuff happens everywhere.