TX TX - DEAN CORLL and his two teenage accomplices (victim identified 35 yrs later)

[Leprikawn]

No, he was linked. The owners remembered him. They had been rented from before the time when Corll recruited the two teen accomplices . There's no way a boat storage company would have rented a storage shed to a 14 yo boy. Come on

I hope there isn't some podcast out there trying to say the teen boys did this all by themselves. That would mean they hadn't done any research or are just seeking clicks

exactly. I think the manager of the boat shed was even interviewed at the time and said Dean was a very nice man LOL who always paid his rent on time. Let's not forget as well that Wayne tried numerous times to tell his mother who would not believe him. He also told 2 uncles who informed his mom that he needed counseling because he was making up crazy stories about dead kids. Dean then threatened him that he would go after his younger brothers if he didn't come back to Houston and leave Florida. Wayne tried to get away.

 

[JussSumguy]

No, he was linked. The owners remembered him. They had been rented from before the time when Corll recruited the two teen accomplices . There's no way a boat storage company would have rented a storage shed to a 14 yo boy. Come on

I hope there isn't some podcast out there trying to say the teen boys did this all by themselves. That would mean they hadn't done any research or are just seeking clicks

No one is saying the teenagers are the masterminds here

I/maybe we are suggesting that maybe they were grunts in a network below Corl, and the people above Corl may have found it more convenient to put all the dead bodies on him than to have them sitting idly waiting to be discovered

Very easily could have been his boat shed, and someone very easily could have asked to borrow it... maybe they offered him money (or favors) to use it for a bit and didn't tell him what for

Maybe he used it to bury a few bodies with the teens who killed him, and then when the network needed another place to bury more the teens told whoever was above Dean that they had buried some in his shed and it had plenty of room for more

There is a world of possibilities

 

[Betty P]

No one is saying the teenagers are the masterminds here

I/maybe we are suggesting that maybe they were grunts in a network below Corl, and the people above Corl may have found it more convenient to put all the dead bodies on him than to have them sitting idly waiting to be discovered

Very easily could have been his boat shed, and someone very easily could have asked to borrow it... maybe they offered him money (or favors) to use it for a bit and didn't tell him what for

Maybe he used it to bury a few bodies with the teens who killed him, and then when the network needed another place to bury more the teens told whoever was above Dean that they had buried some in his shed and it had plenty of room for more

There is a world of possibilities

The teens probably would have known if some other killer acquaintance of Corll’s was involved.

The theory is a little far fetched., JMO. I’ve yet to hear of a serial killer burying his victims in the same place as his serial killer friend. The only one I can think of who might have done something similar is Rex’s Heuermann, the LISK.

 

[JussSumguy]

The teens probably would have known if some other killer acquaintance of Corll’s was involved.

The theory is a little far fetched., JMO. I’ve yet to hear of a serial killer burying his victims in the same place as his serial killer friend. The only one I can think of who might have done something similar is Rex’s Heuermann, the LISK.

Just because they know something that doesn't mean they would say it

And knowing some random dude named 'Kevin' is involved with no more to go on than a first name may not lead anywhere

And they may have been afraid to say anything, I know I for sure would have been



Let me ask you this: how many similar cases to Gacey and Corl have there ever been?


These are two unicorn cases, two of the highest murder counts in US history, the highest murder counts of only teen(ish) aged boys, two of the only cases with this many bodies buried in the same places, and the two cases that all of us true crime fans know for having more or less the same MO, down to the handcuffs

They share the same victims, they share the same timeline of being around Norman's service, and they both have connections to Norman



So what is more far fetched? That these two unicorn cases both just totally randomly happen to cross path with Norman? Or that these two one in a million cases that both cross paths with Norman may somehow have to do with Norman?

Either way things are far fetched, but it sure seems very convenient that all of these bodies get put on 2 guys and the guy running the escort service always seemed to get off with a slap on the wrist

If you have the power to protect someone like Norman then a whole lot of possibilities open up, the types that normally could be written off

 

[Betty P]

Just because they know something that doesn't mean they would say it

And knowing some random dude named 'Kevin' is involved with no more to go on than a first name may not lead anywhere

And they may have been afraid to say anything, I know I for sure would have been



Let me ask you this: how many similar cases to Gacey and Corl have there ever been?


These are two unicorn cases, two of the highest murder counts in US history, the highest murder counts of only teen(ish) aged boys, two of the only cases with this many bodies buried in the same places, and the two cases that all of us true crime fans know for having more or less the same MO, down to the handcuffs

They share the same victims, they share the same timeline of being around Norman's service, and they both have connections to Norman



So what is more far fetched? That these two unicorn cases both just totally randomly happen to cross path with Norman? Or that these two one in a million cases that both cross paths with Norman may somehow have to do with Norman?

Either way things are far fetched, but it sure seems very convenient that all of these bodies get put on 2 guys and the guy running the escort service always seemed to get off with a slap on the wrist

If you have the power to protect someone like Norman then a whole lot of possibilities open up, the types that normally could be written off

Norman was operating in California in 1970 and in federal prison in Washington in 1971. He was arrested in Dallas in 1973, but went to Illinois.

John David Norman - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

He was finally incarcerated in 1987 and spent the rest of his life in prison.

He may have collaborated with Corll and Gary at various times, but it’s never been determined that he buried the bodies of victims in the same place as Corll.

ETA: It also seems unlikely the teens would have kept any involvement of Norman from police. They willingly went to police and confessed about helping Corll. There would be nothing to gain from protecting Norman. He was incarcerated in 1987, so he was no threat to them.

 

[Leprikawn]

Pedos do tend to find each other. I think NAMBLA proved that.

 

[JussSumguy]

Norman was operating in California in 1970 and in federal prison in Washington in 1971. He was arrested in Dallas in 1973, but went to Illinois.




He may have collaborated with Corll and Gary at various times, but it’s never been determined that he buried the bodies of victims in the same place as Corll.

ETA: It also seems unlikely the teens would have kept any involvement of Norman from police. They willingly went to police and confessed about helping Corll. There would be nothing to gain from protecting Norman. He was incarcerated in 1987, so he was no threat to them.

So he had roughly 1.5 to 2 years in Dallas before Corll was killed right?

Of course its never been determined he had any involvement with them, he was clearly protected by some very influential people, the whole point of this theory is that they would put all the bodies on some kind of a fall guy, a lower level of the network, allowing him and whoever was up near the top of the network with him to get away free

Nothing to gain from protecting Norman? If this theory has any weight then they know he is responsible for killing dozens of people, would the continuing of their life not be something to gain?

They also probably had no idea his name was John Norman, if they even ever met him or knew of his existence


A very strong possibility here is that Corll and Gacey were more or less enforcers for the escort service, when a kid needed to go they got the call, they (as in Corll and Gacey) easily could have been doing Normans dirty work without even knowing who Norman was, he could have passed it down from himself to a middle man to them

If they may not even know then certainly the kids wouldnt know either

Think of it like drug dealers or the mafia, the guys at the top were insulated


At the end of the day, these are 2 outlier cases with piles of dead teen boys found buried together, I follow true crime as much as anyone and can't think of any other mass graves of teen boys in the US, if you know of any please mention them

Overlooking any connection between the two, let alone the potential leader of the escort service that provided the exact type of victims found being linked to both, seems like something lazy cops who don't want to spend time re-working the cases would do

 

[Betty P]

Here’s an interesting article you may want to read about Corll’s other possible connections and investigation into others trafficking in Houston and elsewhere.

The Largest Sex Trafficking Ring You Never Knew About (But Should Have…)

Why is this essay about a 1970s story important today? I think we all know that the rich and poor are served two different forms of…

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There’s mention of a report of a warehouse in Houston that someone named Roy Ames was using for pedophile trafficking. Not the boathouse, but a different location.

The author also quotes a doctor who said, after many interviews with Henley, he was more of a victim who felt true remorse. They felt the focus on Henley at the time of his arrest helped pedophiles in the Houston area move elsewhere before they could be questioned.

 

[JussSumguy]

Ya that huge factory in Houston had more connections, I believe some of the pics there were of boys who were buried, and some were in Normans escort flyers

Something I failed to mention last time, while Norman was only in Dallas for a year or two, he may have taken over an already running organization, or he may have just been another middle man and we have no idea who was really at the top

The more you think about it the more likely it feels that there are connections, but the truth is we will never know the real story

 

[Betty P]

Ya that huge factory in Houston had more connections, I believe some of the pics there were of boys who were buried, and some were in Normans escort flyers

Something I failed to mention last time, while Norman was only in Dallas for a year or two, he may have taken over an already running organization, or he may have just been another middle man and we have no idea who was really at the top

The more you think about it the more likely it feels that there are connections, but the truth is we will never know the real story

It happened so long ago. People are deceased, some records lost. Yes it’s unfortunate, especially since so many people got away with it.

 

[Leprikawn]

 

[Leprikawn]

This is very interesting the more you read about the Pornographers that were friends with Dean Corll. https://www.thehotstar.net/odysseynetwork.html

 

[JussSumguy]

Here’s a link to it, it includes a lot of information on Norman and many others who were operating. - Protection of children against sexual exploitation : hearings before the Subcommittee to Investigate Juvenile Delinquency of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, Ninety-fifth Congress, first session, Chicago, Ill.-May 27, 1977, Washington, D.C.-June 16, 1977 : United States. Congress. Senate. Committee on the Judiciary. Subcommittee to Investigate Juvenile Delinquency : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Hey guys, someone posted this in the Gacy thread, I read through all of it and thought I should cross post a summary here

Full disclosure, I have been working on a crime fiction book on human trafficking in the 60's and 70's, it is pretty much written, if anyone wants a free copy send me a DM and that will be no problem

Anyways, here is what stood out in that article to me, the book I wrote has a lot to do with New Orleans so that is why they are included:

NORMAN STUFF

I opposed certain boy-sex schemes I knew about such as Father Bud Yermyle's Welcome Wagon deal, the political-motives of Guy Strait and his pushing of sex with very young boys, the "cadet" rackets of the Oddysy Foundation, and others.

Delta Project had 35,000 to 45,000 members across the nation, the Don Program, can hire a "cadet", $50 a month, then rent out to others in their area, and Norman would get a cut

Norman also had the Cross Country Program where you could fly somewhere for a quick encounter, but got shut down quickly when he got arrested in Illinois

John Norman has had similar projects before. He has set up John Norman Odyssey Foundation out of Dallas, Tex, He has set up the Oonquest Agency out of San Diego, Demalco International out of San Diego, and he set up Sex 2 publications out of St. Louis, Mo.

When he was in the Cook County Jail he published a newsletter called the John Norman Newsletter. This was to get in]nates to give him money for his cause for setting up these type of foundations so that he could get up his bail money to get out on the outside and get new clientele for his operation.

I think that is what happened and about that very time was the time that the Illinois obscenity law was thought by many to be unconstitutional and ultimately several months ago, about a year ago, it was declared unconstitutional. Therefore, the individuals felt more secure in selling this type of material openly. (my note, this also perfectly coincides with Norman showing up in Chicago)

I believe the only type of material that I had ever seen in the past always seemed to be and appeared to be of foreign origin^ but in the last 18 months I was talking about there is a proliferation of what appear to be more domestic type of material.

I would like to read one statement by John Norman describing himself. "I am a nonviolent person, who has never found it necessary to force anyone to do anything, but I am persuasive, and I have a certain charm for young people."


When you enrolled as part of the Delta Project, did you have direct communication with him ?

Mr. Lehman. I did receive all his newsletters and publications, but my only communications were with his partner, Phil Paski. That was over the telephone.


Norman keeps his own files on anyone who will subscribe to him. He has had them for years. He has a system set up that he will send them a membership card. The membership card has a little star on it. It might be red. It might be blue. It changes from time to time. If it is red, it means he is a member. He gets Norman's pamphlets. If it is blue — I am just throwing out different colors right now — but if it is blue, that means he not only gets pamphlets, but he has contacted him by telephone and has shown an interest in making arrangements to meet a young individual. Another color is used if the individual has indeed used a child on occasion for a weekend or what have you. Another color, final color, would be used if a person has either set up a dormitorv or has an apartment building, and is letting children stay there between their tours back and forth to the other individuals.

He related to me when John Norman was arrested out there, they confiscated 40,000 index cards (clients)

Mr. Lehman. Yes. These cards were then forwarded to the State Department in "Washington. I have since contacted the State Department in Washington to see if I could get a copy of his files, and the files are no longer there. I don't know if they ever received them or not. They just told me that they didn't have the files.

We asked the State Department to check into it and they say that they shredded the 35,000 cards in 1974 because they couldn't find any use for them. They didn't pertain to their department.

the first question they asked was, "Why us? "Why not the Justice Department?" The State Department took some time to investigate and their response to us was yes, that they had indeed received the cards, and the information they received with the cards had been shredded and destroyed. Apparently the reason was because they could find no passport fraud violation. That was the response we received. (from William Minitz)

There was also some information there that some passports were issued for taking a boy across the seas and into another country. (norman)

These lists are both from Norman: essentially, the Dallas 35,000 as well as the 5,000 here locally; is that correct?


When I was in Los Angeles talking to police officials there, they were very familiar with Mr. Norman. I might add that Mr. Strait, who testified before you today, was very familiar with Mr. Norman. Mr. Norman has been operating this kind of situation since the fifties. He went by various names: Evan Goodwin, Allen Hitchcock. John Shanks, John Norman, the Odyssey Foundation, Hasting Foundation, and Epic International. The Delta Project was set up and in operation in Illinois when Mr. Norman was arrested.

Hundreds of cards for cadets


Mr. Norman corresponded with people all over the country. These people all know each other. They become privy to information that one of the main people arrested, charged, and convicted in New Orleans was in one of Mr. Norman's address book

There have also been suggestions that even in the Houston situation, there were boys brought in that were subsequently murdered.

Ms. Sneed. Well, in Dallas, for instance, they were investigating John Norman as a possible solicitor for these boys that were among the 27 boys that were found murdered in Texas.


Looks like 3 Norman lists, 35k (Dallas), 10k, and 5k


A few years ago in Houston, the police investigated the case of a man who first had sex with runaway boys, then killed them and buried the bodies. Altogether, twenty-seven bodies were recovered. The Houston police say they know nothing about such films, but a man in Los Angeles told us he had recently viewed a film showing the actual murders.

The probe led police to the discovery that Norman has a long career of sexual abuse of children. Norman, who came to the Chicago area in mid-1973 from Dallas, has a record of 13 arrests for sex offenses going back to 1954.

The Delta Project was only the latest of a series of organizations he set up to supply boy prostitutes to male customers around the country, police said.

Earlier, they said, his operation had gone by such names as the Norman Foundation, Epic International, and the Odyssey Foundation. Ironically, Dr. Judianne Densen-Gerber of New York City, heads a national movement to prevent child abuse and neglect, called Odyssey Institute. She is an outspoken foe of child .

Dallas police told Sgt. Ronald Kelly, head of the Area 6 youth division, that they have information associating Norman with the ring that helped transport to Texas the 27 boys murdered in Houston in 1973 in a widely publicized sex and sadism case.

The clandestine newsletter is known as Hermes. Police said the principal figures in its publication are Elden Gale [Rusty] Wake 40, an employee of Trinity College in Lake Forest ; Patrick Townson, a Chicago man who operates a citizens band radio information show for homosexuals and is connected with the Gay News and Events newspaper, and David Berta, who along with Townson was involved in Norman's operation.

But police said they could take no action against the Hermes operation in the absence of an Illinois obscenity law. The law was declared unconstitutional by a federal court last year.

The Lake County state's attorney's office has identified Wake as an employee of a children's home and two children's camps between 1964 and 1968.


Unknown to jail officials, they said, Norman used the jail's printing facilities to send out three "newsletters" about the project to homosexual clients throughout the country and to people who answered his advertisements in gay publications.

Norman told his readers that "Delta-Dorms" were being established around the country. "Each is a private residence where one of our sustaining members acts as a 'don' for two to four 'cadets'. . . . The nature of the relationship between cadet and sponsor is left entirely to the two of them."


Officials of the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services said Bell has been in and out of orphanages and foster homes since he was 6.

They said Bell was one of several hundred Chicago children sent to foster homes* in Texas between 1952 and 1973 by the department.

A scandal blew up in 1973 when it was reported that some of the children had been stripped, beaten, and kept in solitary confinement for infractions of rules in the homes.

As an indication of the close links that exist among child sex abusers, police said the address book of John Norman, now in the Illinois state prison at Pontiac, contained the name of Raymond Woodall.



GROUP HOMES

more homes in Washington State and New York State, possibly District of Columbia, Nebraska, Iowa, Vermont, California, Pennsylvania

Pornographers in at least five states — Michigan, New Jersey, Tennessee, Louisiana, and Florida — have used or have attempted to use federal, state and county funds to establish foster homes and child care camps for their operations

Richards told police all four of these organizations were fronts for homosexual activity involving boys and all were set up as tax dodges.

Police said leaders of the organizations drew up plans to obtain federal, state and county funds for child care homes they planned to establish for homosexual and pornographic purposes.

A letter to Richards from Dyer Grossman, a New York teacher and officer of the four organizations, said counties would pay up to $150 per month per boy, states would pay up to $400, and federal agencies up to $700.

NEW ORLEANS

Kids in New Orleans were often sent to Florida, the New Orleans guys started up with other plans in mind, they were also voluntary probation officers, they would find troubled kids, go to their parents, and recommend them to go to a special school, parents would say no money and they would give scholarship, there were 6 or 7 schools in Florida but they only abused at 1

New Orleans and LA had huge numbers of runaways cuz of weather

Boys Farm in Tennessee received federal funds


The discovery of similar photographs prompted police in New Orleans to bring charges against seventeen men who were molesting boys in a Boy Scout troop with the connivance of the scoutmaster. (had no idea it was 17)

Nineteen men have been charged with multiple counts of crimes against nature, which carries a maximum penalty of 15 years on each count. Among them are two Boston-area millionaires and a California millionaire alleged to have flown to New Orleans to have sex with the boys. Police investigation of the case extended into 34 states.

Among those arrested were Richard C. .Jacobs of Arlington, Mass.. millionaire president of the Jet Spray Corp. and a former part-owner of the New England Patriots football team; Robert B. Mailers, a California millionaire; and Hugh Scott Mellor of Brighton, Mass., millionaire president of a real estate holding company.


They said Halvorsen and Woodall went to New Orleans from Coral Gables, Fla., where they had worked as maintenance men for the Adelphi Academies, identified by Florida police as a former male prostitution front that was recently sold to legitimate operators.

Peter Bradford, formerly a co-owner of the Adelphi Academies, is among the 19 men charged in New Orleans.

In 1974, Halvorsen and Woodall organized Boy Scout Troop 137 with about 40 boys as members.

New Orleans District Att. Harry Connick said the Scout leaders also drew up applications for state and federal money to establish and operate homes for boys, but had not carried through with these plans.

Sgt. Tony Raimondo of the Coral Gables police said evidence shows that Halvorsen went to a number of mothers in New Orleans and recruited six boys for the Adelphi Academies.

As an indication of the close links that exist among child sex abusers, police said the address book of John Norman, now in the Illinois state prison at Pontiac, contained the name of Raymond Woodall.

A police search of Halvorsen's files turned up the name of Rev. Claudius Ira [Bud] Vermilye Jr.

Police seized a list of more than 270 "active sponsors'' of the farm. (Tennessee)


RANDOM

Only laws (Mann Act) were about girls/women, nothing about male prostitutes

Only 4 units in the country (Houston, Chicago, LA, New Orleans)


Strait had 1200 customers of his newsletter, thought 3 other guys making , Ames, a guy named Jerry, and an unnamed man in the Northeast, the latter the only one not caught by this hearing


Person would mail Strait, then 'send him back a letter together with a form wherein he would have to swear that he was not a police officer or a member of the Communist Party and that he was over 21 years of age'

had an undercover guy help develop the film

sold for $100 a piece, had ordered 2000, thought could get rid of 10k to 20k

Always making it sound like the kids were never forced and wanted to do it

Police estimate Strait made $5 million to $7 million from his business, which is still in operation.




Richards said would send out photos of models then people who received would want to meet, mentions Sheldon (along with Grossman and Keller?) and said he had around 600 buyers

Better Life was main organization in mid 70s, The leader is a man named Barry Wright, which may be an alias. However, an associate told me twice that his real name was Wayne Smith, the same man who runs the Mail-0-Matic operations in Rocky Mount. Their address is a Beverly Hills, Calif., post office box. The magazine is printed by the Broad Street Journal in Colorado


they all had a number like I did, BL 147

maybe 12 prints would be maybe $10, Anywhere from $75 to $200 for a 200-foot reel

I had a girlie studio called Photo Arts studio. I just used girls there from college. But the funny thing about it is that you can make more money with young male models.

I believe that 90 percent of the business is handled by the U.S. mail

Richards said Strait's newsletter and pics still getting mailed out after he was imprisoned, now called F & F Distributors

They belonged to Big Brothers and the Boy Scouts, which, of course, is a No. 1 area for a Boy Lover to be working in that field.

Richards was molested by a baby sitter




From what other areas of the world are they coming ?

Ms. Sneed. Belgium. Countries like Belgium were listed. Other places in Europe were listed. I believe the Philippines was listed. We know that some of these people who were arrested in New Orleans for having participated in a Boy Scout operation were wanted throughout the world on buggering charges.


They are also advertisements for traveling sex shows that might be coded like a magic act» that is, ''My assistant and I would like to come visit with you."


"We knew the authorities had no idea how widespread we were and how vast we were. We just wanted to make sure that these people were sincere and had money."


right now in California where young children are transported from Mexico into the confines of a car. I am not talking about the trunk of a car — these cars are specially constructed to put children inside the body of the car. They are driven across the border, driven to Los Angeles and the method is to drop them off in a garage. Then the boys are extracted from the car. ($750-$1500)

Lieutenant Martin estimates that in Los Angeles alone about 30,000 children that they know of are involved in prostitution and .

I might point out that there is a journal known as Where the Young Boys Are — Where the Young Ones Are — published in California. The journal sold for $5 a copy. They sold 70,000 copies. This journal does nothing but specifically point out where you can find young children in every State of the Union



Neighborhood children that were recruited as prospective models might be taken to a camp by this very nice neighbor who the family trusted and thought was a very nice individual. Then a tradeoff would take place in which another person would have been contacted before the trip. He would be there at the camp and then the child would be out of sight for a while. This man would in effect test him out. If the boy complained to his parents that in fact something had happened, the nice neighbor would say, "Gee. that's just terrible. I didn't know what happened.

1 lost sight of him for a while. I think it's horrible."

Movies definitely being made in LA


Robin Lloyd, author of "For Money or Love : Boy Prostitution in America," found 264 different magazines depicting sexual acts between children, or between children and adults, being sold in adult bookstores throughout the country.

Although the various and child prostitution operations extend across the nation, police say there is no single organization running them. But the adults involved maintain contact through newsletters and exchanges of children.

"It seems to be like spider webs strung out all over the nation,"


most child material now on the market is produced in the United States, shipped to Scandinavia, and then shipped back to America to give the impression it was made in Europe

In California, the maximum sentence for child abuse is only two years, and in 40 arrest cases in Los Angeles since September authorities have obtained just one conviction.


With the help of his partner, he incorporated as a tax exempt-front known as Brother Paul's Children's Mission.




Senator Culver. Who is Francis Sheldon?

Mr. Richards. He was a friend of mine. He paid for my office


Children in Michigan have been sexually abused at a summer camp on an island owned by a millionaire pedophile who is now in flight from Federal prosecution.


Shelden's name also appears among "sponsors" of the Boys Farm in Tennessee.

another homosexual network involving the Church of the New Revelation of Kearny, N.J., the Ocean Living Institute of New Jersey, Brother Paul's Children's Mission on North Fox Island, Mich., and the Educational Foundation for Youth of Illinois.

 

[Leprikawn]

 

[snooptroop88]

Gacy was huge into the Jaycee organization in 1965, it was a big year for him in Jaycees, he was racking up numerous awards and I'm sure traveling in this role.

Right around the time Corll (per couple of sources) would have been finding his way back to Houston Heights after his stint in the military, the Jaycees held massive events in Houston, which was exploding with new memberships at the time. Houston was a flurry of Jaycee activity. They had their international golf tournament there that summer at the El Dorado Country Club/Houston. They had some huge, huge spectacle of a sports event for young people, 1965 National Jaycee Sports Spectacular held at Rice University in Houston. This event involved junior athletes, likely under the age of 18 years old. That's 15 minutes from Houston Heights.

Houston had the largest Jaycee chapter in the world in the 1960s. I find it hard to believe Gacy wasn't down there at some point. I also find it likely Corll had contact with young men who were aware of and perhaps in some way involved with these events. And Corll was locked in competition at that point with the candy company business, maybe he had some peripheral role in these events in some way through the business. Corll and Gacy definitely (and horrifyingly) had a lot in common (both on the surface and far deeper) maybe they somehow did cross paths at some point. Seeing Gacy was hospitalized at some point in '65 for his "nerves."

How small a world was it? I don't think there's a way to know, unfortunately. But it's interesting.

 

[Betty P]

So these hearings were held, but nothing happened as a result? Was local LE in these cases able to bring charges against the people operating these rings? It sounds as though Norman and one other were the only ones who spent time in prison.

Corll may have been aware of Norman, but his MO was different. He killed his victims after the sexual assaults. Many of these networks were abusing boys, but not killing them, at least not that LE discovered. Same with Gacy. The problem he and Corll had was that killing the victims required more work to recruit new victims. Disposal of victims put them at risk. The obsessions took a toll, leading to their eventual arrests and convictions.

Fortunately, most of these networks were organizations no longer exist. Group homes for troubled boys aren’t as commonplace as they were in the 70s. There are alternatives today, I believe, that are better, but not enough. So many of these kids today are incarcerated instead.