TX TX - Elizabeth "Liz" Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, 25 January 2019 #7

[moonglow123]

I genuinely cannot think of a single motive other than something personal or something having to do with S. She was mild-mannered and kind, a volunteer, wasn't involved in anything strange, etc. Plus, it's a huge risk for a stranger to roll up to a garage sale to murder someone - how could they have known there wouldn't be anyone there with her unless they knew her and S's routine? How could they know there wouldn't be someone else in the house that might immediately hear and run after them, catch their plates etc.? Just so much risk involved unless it was someone that knew them and knew that S was gone.

It's forever frustrating and mind-boggling that they managed to get away with such ease and still evade LE.

 

[Charlot123]

I've always wondered why it was so patently disregarded.

Like a mom with children in car seats. Just heading to daycare, nothing to see here.

Or somebody logically just getting off work and heading to.

Or somebody elderly.

An abductor was completely missed even though his was the only vehicle LE met on their way to a 911 hang up (the parents murdered and a child abducted). Courteous perp pulled over to let LE proceed.

Snap judgments born of unchecked biases happen all the time.

Or maybe the child of a person known to the community?

 

[Ssschu]

I just watched the Arrin Stoner video again and realized the truck the police pulled over pretty much aligns perfectly with the amount of time the killer had after the shooting. Could that be a coincidence? I guess so but that seems strange.

That stood out to me, too. It would be a massive coincidence.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

I've always wondered why it was so patently disregarded.

Who reported that the vehicle and occupants were "patently disregarded"? A tremendous effort would have been made, with this a possible way of solving a homicide, to find the suspect vehicle.

Snap judgments born of unchecked biases happen all the time.

I can tell you that when an officer pulls over a vehicle that may have been involved in a shooting, it is a very dangerous and intense event, with a tremendous shot of adrenaline that doesn't ease off until it's been seen that the occupants aren't armed and have had their names run and the vehicle has been searched for weapons. It's intense for the dispatchers and everyone else listening to the radio too. Everyone is listening to hear the info on the plate and the occupants with much concern for the officers' safety at the vehicle.
No one is casually strolling up to a presumed armed shooter and dismissing them at first glance, there was not even a description of the suspect at that time.

 

[Charlot123]

Who reported that the vehicle and occupants were "patently disregarded"? A tremendous effort would have been made, with this a possible way of solving a homicide, to find the suspect vehicle.

I can tell you that when an officer pulls over a vehicle that may have been involved in a shooting, it is a very dangerous and intense event, with a tremendous shot of adrenaline that doesn't ease off until it's been seen that the occupants aren't armed and have had their names run and the vehicle has been searched for weapons. It's intense for the dispatchers and everyone else listening to the radio too. Everyone is listening to hear the info on the plate and the occupants with much concern for the officers' safety at the vehicle.
No one is casually strolling up to a presumed armed shooter and dismissing them at first glance, there was not even a description of the suspect at that time.

OK they let the car go because they said “it had the reason to be in the area at that time”. So, an alibi?

Did they thoroughly check that alibi later? Or did the car disappear?

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

OK they let the car go because they said “it had the reason to be in the area at that time”. So, an alibi?

Did they thoroughly check that alibi later? Or did the car disappear?

The truck and occupants were released as there was no reason/need/justification/legal way to detain them further past the point of weapon search, identifying them and verifying plate and vin. There are case laws that require LE to not hold people on traffic stops any longer than necessary.
The information never disappears, it is a part of the investigation. Do you really think they just "let it go" just based on someone saying they had a reason to be in the area? It's the totality of the information or lack of suspect information that decides if there is cause to keep or release the truck and occupants. We all know the frustration this brings but, like fishing, it's not alway catch and release.
They didn't look at the video later and consider if someone in the truck could have been the shooter? As for an alibi, that truck was driving around in the area for hours before the murder, it's on video. Maybe it isn't the same truck as the one that was stopped and it was eliminated after the video was seen. We don't know.
The suspect not being found/arrested, does not mean it wasn't throughly investigated.

 

[FromGermany1]

The truck and occupants were released as there was no reason/need/justification/legal way to detain them further past the point of weapon search, identifying them and verifying plate and vin. There are case laws that require LE to not hold people on traffic stops any longer than necessary.
The information never disappears, it is a part of the investigation. Do you really think they just "let it go" just based on someone saying they had a reason to be in the area? It's the totality of the information or lack of suspect information that decides if there is cause to keep or release the truck and occupants. We all know the frustration this brings but, like fishing, it's not alway catch and release.
They didn't look at the video later and consider if someone in the truck could have been the shooter? As for an alibi, that truck was driving around in the area for hours before the murder, it's on video. Maybe it isn't the same truck as the one that was stopped and it was eliminated after the video was seen. We don't know.
The suspect not being found/arrested, does not mean it wasn't throughly investigated.

The statement from the driver, the occupants could have been what-ever, thoroughly planned (what to say, if) before. THAT excuse I want to hear, IF it was the same car as the car, which passed the address by night. There can be no 100% true explanation for that, IMO.

 

[CrimeTheorist]

I heard that the truck was almost exactly the same except for one detail. I can't remember what it was (might have been a decal) but it's possible that it was changed quickly so if they were stopped police would think it was a different vehicle. That could have been part of the reason the driver of the vehicle was cleared of suspicion. JMO