TX TX - Elizabeth "Liz" Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, 25 January 2019 #7

[readingrain]

The method by which Liz was killed is similar to the Mozambique drill, unofficially "two to the chest, one to the head," with the difference being that Liz was shot four times, the first being in the neck, but the rest of the sequence is the same as in the Mozambique drill. That is, after the neck, there are two shots to the chest and then one to the head, as if the person was automatically doing what they were trained to do, what they had practiced hundreds of times. The Mozambique drill is used to stop a target; you can read about it on Wikipedia. In this case, there was no need to stop the target, so the first shot was fired into the neck, perhaps instinctively, perhaps from initial excitement, but then the killer seemed to pull himself together and did what he had been taught to do automatically.

In any case, the body parts targeted were guaranteed to be fatal—this was definitely not random shooting. This further indicates that the killer was trained and could be a police officer or a member of the military.

 

[Marzipan]

New thinking on Disney and expanded thinking on Liz’s aspirations in the 501. I like it. Wish I knew if any of this sounds possible to her friends and family. Or if it’s on detective radar. Would love for others to pick up on this pathway. One person of interest (informal?) was in Florida— Miami area. It seems it was one of OB’s special lady friends but maybe not.

ETA I meant to quote @Charlot123 here. I hope everyone looks at that post #1,198.

 

[moonglow123]

But why do you think the killer knew she was alone before driving past her house, spotting her and then turning around? If the killer knew, why did they approach in a way that forced them to do the three-point-turn (something that draws more attention than simply coming from the right side and stopping)?

I don't strongly lean either way, but I can totally see the killer driving past the house to snoop (either more or less randomly like they circled the night before, or observing S. leaving and thinking why the hell is Liz still not in her car) and spotting her outside alone.

So far I have seen no clear indicator that the killer knew anything, though I lean towards them targeting Liz specifically and knowing their cars and general routines.

Yeah. I just figured someone that was somehow aware of her changing plans and the garage sale and wanted to double check if S had left yet. See if his car was there etc. Knew roughly what time he’d leave for work but wanted to make sure he was gone. Probably also jitters about what they knew they were about to do, too.

Very few people knew about the garage sale according to Liz’s parents so it’s just odd. The timing and changed plans is just too weird for me to discount. I guess it’s possible it was someone random though.

But I definitely lean towards something involving S (even if not involving him directly) or someone that was jealous of her from her volunteer program.

Wish LE could solve it. I’m still baffled someone could get away with something this brazen and callous.

 

[Charlot123]

But why do you think the killer knew she was alone before driving past her house, spotting her and then turning around? If the killer knew, why did they approach in a way that forced them to do the three-point-turn (something that draws more attention than simply coming from the right side and stopping)?

I don't strongly lean either way, but I can totally see the killer driving past the house to snoop (either more or less randomly like they circled the night before, or observing S. leaving and thinking why the hell is Liz still not in her car) and spotting her outside alone.

So far I have seen no clear indicator that the killer knew anything, though I lean towards them targeting Liz specifically and knowing their cars and general routines.

I think she was absolutely targeted. I don't know why. As to that person and the car, I think the sale presented the unexpected, but welcomed opportunity.

One, everything needed to be done fast. In the darkness because at daytime, people may be around for the sale.

But also, the killer needed to drive fast. I sometimes wonder if they are such a good driver?

How we drive, where we turn often depends on whether we feel the size of the car, how well we were trained, if it is our car. Or even, if we are Japanese vs US-car drivers.

Intuitively there is a feeling that the answer to one of these questions is a "no".

 

[Charlot123]

Two things I never knew.

That there is a Code of Conduct for 501st. I wonder if they showed to Liz one of the lines they thought she "violated".

And then, i just found out that there is a 501 forum. One wonders if Liz was a contributor.

 

[nickle]

The method by which Liz was killed is similar to the Mozambique drill, unofficially "two to the chest, one to the head," with the difference being that Liz was shot four times, the first being in the neck, but the rest of the sequence is the same as in the Mozambique drill. That is, after the neck, there are two shots to the chest and then one to the head, as if the person was automatically doing what they were trained to do, what they had practiced hundreds of times. The Mozambique drill is used to stop a target; you can read about it on Wikipedia. In this case, there was no need to stop the target, so the first shot was fired into the neck, perhaps instinctively, perhaps from initial excitement, but then the killer seemed to pull himself together and did what he had been taught to do automatically.

In any case, the body parts targeted were guaranteed to be fatal—this was definitely not random shooting. This further indicates that the killer was trained and could be a police officer or a member of the military.

Or a hit man, imo.

 

[readingrain]

Or a hit man, imo.

Here, one doesn't exclude the other. Hitman often have military experience, I think that's no secret. It could also be a hired police officer, former or current. And the murder itself looks like a contract killing.

The main question isn't that, but who ordered the hit on Liz? If she had problems with gangsters or, say, corrupt cops, then she acted too carelessly. She continued living her normal life. So I don't think she was involved in criminal activity, didn't have a lot of money, and I don't think she could have stolen someone's dirty money; she just didn't know where it was. She also clearly had no influence or power. So, I'm trying to list the main reasons why professional killers are hired. And in general, all this sounds strange when it comes to Liz. Therefore, it is most likely that she was a witness or knew something that she shouldn’t have known and apparently didn’t realize it.

For all the other, simpler motives, it is too carefully planned.

 

[Charlot123]

The method by which Liz was killed is similar to the Mozambique drill, unofficially "two to the chest, one to the head," with the difference being that Liz was shot four times, the first being in the neck, but the rest of the sequence is the same as in the Mozambique drill. That is, after the neck, there are two shots to the chest and then one to the head, as if the person was automatically doing what they were trained to do, what they had practiced hundreds of times. The Mozambique drill is used to stop a target; you can read about it on Wikipedia. In this case, there was no need to stop the target, so the first shot was fired into the neck, perhaps instinctively, perhaps from initial excitement, but then the killer seemed to pull himself together and did what he had been taught to do automatically.

In any case, the body parts targeted were guaranteed to be fatal—this was definitely not random shooting. This further indicates that the killer was trained and could be a police officer or a member of the military.

It would be nice if trained shooters could assess that shooting and decide if the killer appears experienced, or not.

The head shot is the "controlled" one, hinting at professional job. The problem is, this factor has been mentioned in so many books. So can someone who only read about "controlled shots" viewed as the hallmark of professionals try to imitate their job?

I perfectly well remember the first time I read about such shots (Rasputin's assassination, imperial Russia. They, too, thought that the pattern of Rasputin's shots indicated a professional involved). For some reason, this information stays in one's head.

How difficult is was to hit a target given the range and the revolver in Liz Barraza's case? This would be interesting to know.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

The method by which Liz was killed is similar to the Mozambique drill, unofficially "two to the chest, one to the head," with the difference being that Liz was shot four times, the first being in the neck, but the rest of the sequence is the same as in the Mozambique drill. That is, after the neck, there are two shots to the chest and then one to the head, as if the person was automatically doing what they were trained to do, what they had practiced hundreds of times. The Mozambique drill is used to stop a target; you can read about it on Wikipedia. In this case, there was no need to stop the target, so the first shot was fired into the neck, perhaps instinctively, perhaps from initial excitement, but then the killer seemed to pull himself together and did what he had been taught to do automatically.

In any case, the body parts targeted were guaranteed to be fatal—this was definitely not random shooting. This further indicates that the killer was trained and could be a police officer or a member of the military.

Shooting someone at that close range does not show skill or training.

It may have been the only way the shooter was confident enough that he could be sure it was fatal and/or needed to get close enough to see her face and be sure of who he was killing.
Shooting drills have many names(what ever your rangemaster wants to call them) and in the U.S., I have never used this term. Head, chest, head shots in any combination are standard in target practice and do not indicate any high level training. Most importantly, drills are not done at point blank range, it is useless and a waste of ammo. Not to mention, other risks taken when that close to the target/victim.

 

[MerBeach]

I just want Liz’s murder solved before her Father passes away. Please, anyone reading here who might have information, no matter how insignificant, please contact law enforcement. Get that weight off of your chest. Feel the possibility of redemption.

 

[FromGermany1]

That there is a Code of Conduct for 501st. I wonder if they showed to Liz one of the lines they thought she "violated".

Maybe, someone of her fellow 501-members violated the rules and Liz took action because of it? Idk, if anyone would murder for it in revenge?