GUILTY TX - Emma Thompson, 4, dies with STD, skull fracture, Spring, 27 June 2009

[SFAladyjack]

tiredblondy: Can't the prosecutation/DA force him to have a STD test?

I don't know. It sounds like they haven't been able to so far. The Judge turned down the prosecution's request for STD testing during the Hearing where the drug test was ordered.

I would hazard a guess (speculation only) - that there's some kind of search / seizure issue at stake. However, if during the urinalysis, a nurse noticed something unusual, there might be probable cause for an order for further testing.

This is all speculation...I'm not an expert. And I don't play one on TV. So - this is just my humble OPINION. :twocents:

 

[believe09]

tiredblondy: Can't the prosecutation/DA force him to have a STD test?

I don't know. It sounds like they haven't been able to so far. The Judge turned down the prosecution's request for STD testing during the Hearing where the drug test was ordered.

I would hazard a guess (speculation only) - that there's some kind of search / seizure issue at stake. However, if during the urinalysis, a nurse noticed something unusual, there might be probable cause for an order for further testing.

This is all speculation...I'm not an expert. And I don't play one on TV. So - this is just my humble OPINION. :twocents:

Or it could be quite simple-if he has lesions inside his penis that are shedding, he may pee out some cells. (Sorry to be so graphic.:angel

 

[sniperacer]

Slain Spring girl's siblings awarded to grandparents
Neighbor testified mother blamed falls for girl's death
By TERRI LANGFORD and PEGGY O'HARE Copyright 2009 Houston Chronicle
July 30, 2009, 10:42AM


The paternal grandparents of a 4-year-old Spring girl who died last month after being beaten and sexually assaulted have received temporary custody of her two sisters.

State District Judge Judy Warne directed Children's Protective Services to retrieve the girls, ages 6 and 11, and deliver them to the paternal grandparents. The father of the slain girl, Emma Thompson, and the surviving 6-year-old also lives there. The 11-year-old has a different father.

The girls' mother, 33-year-old Abigail Elizabeth Young, is restricted to two one-hour visits per month at CPS offices during the temporary custody period, Warne said.

My one question - Why did the father not get custody (temporary or otherwise) of the children?

 

[believe09]

A ha-a blood test will also reveal herpes anti-bodies within three months of exposure. I am trying to find out whether or not there is a DNA fingerprint to herpes so you can tell who spread it to who....quite frankly it is making my headache however!!!

Here is the answer I suspect-but this is not layman speak so I do not understand it completely...
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=347823

Anyone up to translating???

 

[CuriousTwo]

My one question - Why did the father not get custody (temporary or otherwise) of the children?

There are two fathers - Emma's two sisters have different fathers. Emma and her one sister have the same father who is living with his parents (the grandparents who got custody). I believe the other sister's father lives out of town. All of the parties agreed that they didn't want to separate the two sisters and Emma's father doesn't have his own home (from what I understand in the news reports, he moved in with his parents when he and Emma's mother separated), so I guess that's how they were awarded to Emma's paternal grandparents.

 

[tiredblondy]

Thanks to all who answered my question. :blowkiss: All I know is this guy needs to be in the general jail population soon.!!!

 

[CuriousTwo]

Coe has his advocate (his lawyer) ... I only wish that Emma had had one when she needed it most. Instead of expending taxpayer money on public defenders for these predators, perhaps taxpayer dollars would be better spent protecting innocent children FROM these predators?!?!??!?!? Maybe our legal system should be proactive as opposed to reactive for a change?

 

[sniperacer]

There are two fathers - Emma's two sisters have different fathers. Emma and her one sister have the same father who is living with his parents (the grandparents who got custody). I believe the other sister's father lives out of town. All of the parties agreed that they didn't want to separate the two sisters and Emma's father doesn't have his own home (from what I understand in the news reports, he moved in with his parents when he and Emma's mother separated), so I guess that's how they were awarded to Emma's paternal grandparents.

Thanks. I knew about the different fathers. And your answer is exactly what I believe the family courts would do.

Maybe it's just me, but as a father, after what happened I would trust no one but myself with the children - even if that means separating the girls. But fathers come in all types. IMO, I see custody modifications in their future.

More questions (again I do not know all the crime details) -

Is spreading herpes a crime? Even to a minor? (Yes I know HOW it is normally spread IS a crime with a minor).

Do they have proof "positive" the boyfriend killed the child?

Besides a poor choice in picking boyfriends, what do they have on the mother? Is having a poor "picker" a crime?

For some reason, IMO, I see the mother getting (more) custody in the future (assuming she is innocent of a crime).

 

[fhc]

The mother, Abigail Elizabeth Young, was a RN and lied to the initial CPS workers investigating her daughter's STD about any other male in the home. Also, Emma's injuries were inflicted at least 12 hours before her mother sought help. Neighbor reported blood on Emma's panties days before and mother made excuse that she scratched herself on the pool. Emma upon autopsy had a fractured skull, severed pancreas, vaginal tearing and 80 contusions. The mother is charged with failure to seek medical assistance for Emma and felony injury to a child by omission.

 

[sniperacer]

The mother, Abigail Elizabeth Young, was a RN and lied to the initial CPS workers investigating her daughter's STD about any other male in the home. Also, Emma's injuries were inflicted at least 12 hours before her mother sought help. Neighbor reported blood on Emma's panties days before and mother made excuse that she scratched herself on the pool. Emma upon autopsy had a fractured skull, severed pancreas, vaginal tearing and 80 contusions. The mother is charged with failure to seek medical assistance for Emma and felony injury to a child by omission.

I'm speechless. I bet all you mothers are having a hard time understanding this behavior. I know I am.

 

[IWannaKnow]

A ha-a blood test will also reveal herpes anti-bodies within three months of exposure. I am trying to find out whether or not there is a DNA fingerprint to herpes so you can tell who spread it to who....quite frankly it is making my headache however!!!

Here is the answer I suspect-but this is not layman speak so I do not understand it completely...
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=347823

Anyone up to translating???

believe - I'm no expert, but here is what I found that seems to apply:
BBM
" the use of six endonucleases, EcoRI, BglII, HindIII, KpnI, BamHI, and SstI, established that each patient was infected by a unique virus."
and
"The results suggest that each individual may induce specific variation in the herpes simplex virus type 2 genome and that the results of epidemiological studies based on restriction endonuclease analyses of herpes simplex virus type 2 DNA must be interpreted with care."
and
"Considerable variability among isolates from different patients was detected, although with
the first four endonucleases (EcoRI, BglII, HindlIl, and KpnI) certain DNA restriction patterns
appeared to predominate, whereas with six endonucleases, an individual virus strain could
be assigned to each patient. Some variability was also observed between virus isolates from
the same patient."
and
"Analysis of the cleavage patterns of HSV DNA from 30 patients with clearly defined clinical
histories (16) by using the endonucleases EcoRI, BglII, HindII, and KpnI confirmed the
immunological typing of the genital HSV2 isolates. Also, it was possible to map any nucleotide
base sequence variations between isolates by reference to the published cleavage maps for
these endonucleases (5, 14)."
and
"Comparison of BamHI and SstI digestion patterns from different patients indicated that only
two patients (A and W) possessed identical (prototype) viruses. On extension of the rank-
VOL. 38, 1982ings of HSV2 isolates in Table 1 for four endonucleases to six endonucleases it was apparent that all 30 patients possessed their own unique virus
(data not shown) since patients A and W differed in their KpnI digestion pattern. It is therefore
possible to define an individual virus by cleavage of the DNA with six restriction endonucleases.
However, since it is difficult to unambiguously identify the various fragments in BamHI
or SstI digests or the source of the variation (i.e., addition or deletion of restriction sites,
addition or deletion of short sequences) we define the individual strains by the DNA cleavage
patterns with EcoRI, BglII, HindIII, and KpnI. Reisolations of HSV2 on subsequent visits to
the clinic by each of the 30 patients permitted the study of HSV variation in vivo. The results
of these studies are shown in Table 2 for endonucleases BamHI and SstI. The results with
EcoRI, BgIII, HindIII, and KpnI indicated that in 29 of 30 patients no difference was apparent
between isolates from the same patient, whereas with patient V both the HindIII and EcoRI
digestion patterns varied. This implied that patient V had been reinfected with a completely
new strain of HSV2 subsequent to his first infection."
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Seems to me like they could nail him with his pee-pee.....

 

[believe09]

believe - I'm no expert, but here is what I found that seems to apply:
BBM
" the use of six endonucleases, EcoRI, BglII, HindIII, KpnI, BamHI, and SstI, established that each patient was infected by a unique virus."
and
"The results suggest that each individual may induce specific variation in the herpes simplex virus type 2 genome and that the results of epidemiological studies based on restriction endonuclease analyses of herpes simplex virus type 2 DNA must be interpreted with care."
and
"Considerable variability among isolates from different patients was detected, although with
the first four endonucleases (EcoRI, BglII, HindlIl, and KpnI) certain DNA restriction patterns
appeared to predominate, whereas with six endonucleases, an individual virus strain could
be assigned to each patient. Some variability was also observed between virus isolates from
the same patient."
and
"Analysis of the cleavage patterns of HSV DNA from 30 patients with clearly defined clinical
histories (16) by using the endonucleases EcoRI, BglII, HindII, and KpnI confirmed the
immunological typing of the genital HSV2 isolates. Also, it was possible to map any nucleotide
base sequence variations between isolates by reference to the published cleavage maps for
these endonucleases (5, 14)."
and
"Comparison of BamHI and SstI digestion patterns from different patients indicated that only
two patients (A and W) possessed identical (prototype) viruses. On extension of the rank-
VOL. 38, 1982ings of HSV2 isolates in Table 1 for four endonucleases to six endonucleases it was apparent that all 30 patients possessed their own unique virus
(data not shown) since patients A and W differed in their KpnI digestion pattern. It is therefore
possible to define an individual virus by cleavage of the DNA with six restriction endonucleases.
However, since it is difficult to unambiguously identify the various fragments in BamHI
or SstI digests or the source of the variation (i.e., addition or deletion of restriction sites,
addition or deletion of short sequences) we define the individual strains by the DNA cleavage
patterns with EcoRI, BglII, HindIII, and KpnI. Reisolations of HSV2 on subsequent visits to
the clinic by each of the 30 patients permitted the study of HSV variation in vivo. The results
of these studies are shown in Table 2 for endonucleases BamHI and SstI. The results with
EcoRI, BgIII, HindIII, and KpnI indicated that in 29 of 30 patients no difference was apparent
between isolates from the same patient, whereas with patient V both the HindIII and EcoRI
digestion patterns varied. This implied that patient V had been reinfected with a completely
new strain of HSV2 subsequent to his first infection."
**************************************************************
Seems to me like they could nail him with his pee-pee.....

I want desperately to hi five you-this is exactly what I was looking for. Now it is clear why the he would have "shy bladder." A few cells would be all it would take to type it against Emma's. So I hope Coe has a bladder like a camel, because they are going to be able to swab his urinal while he is being held, I would think.....

 

[believe09]

I am still waiting for the sexual assault and murder charges for these two defendants-it seems like it has been a long time coming....

 

[tiredblondy]

I want desperately to hi five you-this is exactly what I was looking for. Now it is clear why the he would have "shy bladder." A few cells would be all it would take to type it against Emma's. So I hope Coe has a bladder like a camel, because they are going to be able to swab his urinal while he is being held, I would think.....

Aww Believe..I hope so. I'd like to see someone in one of those hazard suits with those big gloves on use one of those large q-tips like in the dr's office take a swab. Maybe the inmates could help us?

 

[IWannaKnow]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6628615.html

"Internet expression, long-held rights come into conflict"

"Locally, Bert Steinmann, lawyer for Lucas Coe accused in the blunt-force trauma death of 4-year-old Emma Thompson, said he wants the identities of the anonymous commenters to keep them off the jury if they exhibited bias, to see if a motion to move the case is necessary and to possibly question some about their apparent first-hand knowledge of the case.

Most newspapers and electronic media fight back to some extent but most also post warnings that the media will relinquish identity information if required to in a legal proceeding. Trying to keep everyday speech on these Web sites secret has been a losing battle."

 

[believe09]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6628615.html

"Internet expression, long-held rights come into conflict"

"Locally, Bert Steinmann, lawyer for Lucas Coe accused in the blunt-force trauma death of 4-year-old Emma Thompson, said he wants the identities of the anonymous commenters to keep them off the jury if they exhibited bias, to see if a motion to move the case is necessary and to possibly question some about their apparent first-hand knowledge of the case.

Most newspapers and electronic media fight back to some extent but most also post warnings that the media will relinquish identity information if required to in a legal proceeding. Trying to keep everyday speech on these Web sites secret has been a losing battle."

BWWWHHHHAAAAAA-sorry, whoo that was a good laugh. Let's see-he claims to be worried that his client's right to a fair trial will be impeded by armchair sleuthers from all over the world who comment on this case. I would HAVE to say that this is a simple attempt at deflecting the fact that his client was the last known adult with a child who was murdered and raped. As reported by the media.

I suppose if you are in the position of defending a client who is clearly harmful to children specifically and society in general, you would try and make your name by using your clients case as a springboard to other things-like taking on free speech over the internet? Coe had better be careful-I don't know if his attorney's head is really in the game....JMO.

 

[CuriousTwo]

I recall in some cases, reading reader comments online where the comments lead one to believe that they personally knew the family and might have knowledge of the circumstances leading to the case. When I read such comments, I always wonder why someone would post such detailed information ... that anyone who might have any personal information or knowledge should contact LE and not post it on a pubic forum (IMHO).

However, I don't think that those who merely comment their personal opinion relating to news stories should be harassed with threats of having their identity revealed, but I do feel that if someone posts a comment that appears to provide inside information relating to the case, that LE should pursue it.

And, IMHO, the need for the defense to have knowledge of the identities of the persons who post comments, in order to eliminate them as jurors (if they post negatively), is ridiculous. That's what the juror selection process and questioning phase are for.

 

[CuriousTwo]

http://www.hcnonline.com/articles/2009/09/23/conroe_courier/news/coe0924.txt



Coe tests negative in private drug screening

Conroe Courier News


The attorney for a Magnolia man accused in connection with the death of a 4-year-old girl will seek to have his client’s bond reinstated after a private drug screening came back negative this week.

Steinmann said a urine sample was obtained from Coe Sept. 17 by Davis Investigation Services of Conroe, and was shipped to the Redwood Toxicology Laboratory in Santa Rosa, Calif., for analysis. A copy of a report provided by Dawn Nobles – Steinmann’s forensic trial strategist – showed Coe’s test was negative for alcohol, barbiturates, cocaine and other illegal substances.

The screening came back positive for the presence of creatinine and benzodiazepines. Creatinine is a metabolic by-product of muscle metabolism. Benzodiazepines are among the most commonly prescribed depressants in the the United States, according to the University of Maryland’s Center for Substance Abuse Research.

Nobles said Coe has been prescribed Lexapro and Atarax at the Harris County Sheriff’s Office Medical Clinic. Lexapro is used to treat depression and certain types of anxiety. Aratax is an antihistamine that is also used to treat anxiety.

Coe also has been prescribed Diazepam, used to treat anxiety. The prescription was issued from a Montgomery County pharmacy, Nobles said.

The HCSO’s Medical Clinic, pharmacies and Coe’s family physician have been subpoenaed to testify about Coe’s medication history, Nobles said.

<snipped>

 

[believe09]

http://www.hcnonline.com/articles/2009/09/23/conroe_courier/news/coe0924.txt



Coe tests negative in private drug screening

Conroe Courier News


The attorney for a Magnolia man accused in connection with the death of a 4-year-old girl will seek to have his client’s bond reinstated after a private drug screening came back negative this week.

Steinmann said a urine sample was obtained from Coe Sept. 17 by Davis Investigation Services of Conroe, and was shipped to the Redwood Toxicology Laboratory in Santa Rosa, Calif., for analysis. A copy of a report provided by Dawn Nobles – Steinmann’s forensic trial strategist – showed Coe’s test was negative for alcohol, barbiturates, cocaine and other illegal substances.

The screening came back positive for the presence of creatinine and benzodiazepines. Creatinine is a metabolic by-product of muscle metabolism. Benzodiazepines are among the most commonly prescribed depressants in the the United States, according to the University of Maryland’s Center for Substance Abuse Research.

Nobles said Coe has been prescribed Lexapro and Atarax at the Harris County Sheriff’s Office Medical Clinic. Lexapro is used to treat depression and certain types of anxiety. Aratax is an antihistamine that is also used to treat anxiety.

Coe also has been prescribed Diazepam, used to treat anxiety. The prescription was issued from a Montgomery County pharmacy, Nobles said.

The HCSO’s Medical Clinic, pharmacies and Coe’s family physician have been subpoenaed to testify about Coe’s medication history, Nobles said.

<snipped>

Sounds like he is detoxing to me...that is a whole lot of anti anxiety meds...JMO

 

[CuriousTwo]

I posted this on the Caylee forum also ... I didn't realize that jails dispensed anxiety and anti-depression meds to inmates. It's no surprise to me now that many suspects have a total change of personality after they're incarcerated - many are given "calming" meds.