TX - Former Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger, indicted for Murder of Botham Shem Jean #4

[DisturbedConcerned]

None of the police associations are condemning her conduct or actions. Predictably, quite the opposite has taken place as it always seems to.

Lyndo Jones was shot, for sitting in his own truck and by a person unknown to him who could have easily been a murderous gangbanger and presented himself more that way than a police officer who removed Jone's abilty to even see his unidentified assailant. Wiley's failure to assess, accept back up, identify himself and approach with the situation escalated beyond reason, then an attempted back shooting murder.... and the police association vigorously defends Wiley's actions as if the people have no common sense or reasonable decency.

Wiley was responding only to "an unknown car sitting in parking lot" call in. Not a break-in, burglary, or any violent crime. Unknown car with no danger even hinted at. It appears he went looking for a trophy kill just as it appears AG did.

I think the larger concern of police training and accountability goes beyond the focus of this thread, and AG. I am going to narrow my focus to this incident, and how BSJ, an innocent citizen, was killed in his own home. AG’s conduct and decisions do not align with police protocol. I think we all want to hear the tox results, and wonder if that was why she was fired. Further, I want her tested for anabolic steroids, as mentioned upthread.

Amateur opinion and speculation only.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

@bronk4

How about your analysis of this video statement? The first 58 seconds would be what I am asking about. Do you agree or is this a snow job perped on most people that don't know how criminal procedure actually works?

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[bronk4]

@bronk4

How about your analysis of this video statement? First 58 seconds are what I am asking about. Do you agree or is this a snow job perped on most people that don't know how criminal procedure actually works?

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I do not know anything about this case
this guy is super boring/hard to understand/etc --monotone
who is this guy?? why should we listen to him?etc?

 

[Indy Anna]

Botham Jean's girlfriend joins Dallas protest seeking murder charge against Amber Guyger | Courts | Dallas News

Protesters led by Botham Jean's girlfriend on Friday delivered a petition with thousands of signatures urging the Dallas County district attorney to charge a former police officer with murder in his death.

A crowd of about 50 chanting "murder, murder, murder" punctuated the petition drive, organized by several nonprofits, with a visit to Faith Johnson's office at Dallas' criminal courthouse.

 

[bronk4]

Botham Jean's girlfriend joins Dallas protest seeking murder charge against Amber Guyger | Courts | Dallas News

very hard to believe it was murder--unless there are details we don't know about
why are they screaming murder..........................................................?

 

[rosesfromangels]

very hard to believe it was murder--unless there are details we don't know about
why are they screaming murder..........................................................?

Well, because he was in his own apartment minding his own business eating cereal...and a woman shot him dead.

 

[bronk4]

Well, because he was in his own apartment minding his own business eating cereal...and a woman shot him dead.

this is nowhere close to murder
she did not go there to murder/kill/etc
she did not go there to commit a crime
this was reckless action
she thought it was her place = reckless
Texas Manslaughter Laws - FindLaw

 

[bronk4]

Well, because he was in his own apartment minding his own business eating cereal...and a woman shot him dead.

not murder
that's why Casey Anthony was acquitted of murder--they charged too high
Zimmermann was manslaughter, not murder
if they charge her with murder, it will be easier for her to get acquitted--with a fair/smart jury

 

[rosesfromangels]

this is nowhere close to murder
she did not go there to murder/kill/etc
she did not go there to commit a crime
this was reckless action
she thought it was her place = reckless
Texas Manslaughter Laws - FindLaw

How do you know? If she made a noise complaint, or was playing rent-a-cop in response to a complaint, she went there with blood in her eye. She seems to be a loose cannon - two shootings in 15 months. Since she was fired, I guess the Dallas PD agrees with that. If they thought it was manslaughter, I hypothesize they would have kept her on the force.
But this is just amateur opinion and speculation only.
Sounds like you might have more info to support a manslaughter only position.
Interested in your POV. Thank you!

 

[rosesfromangels]

not murder
that's why Casey Anthony was acquitted of murder--they charged too high
Zimmermann was manslaughter, not murder
if they charge her with murder, it will be easier for her to get acquitted--with a fair/smart jury

Bronk - you seem very sure of that, but I'm not.
What are you basing this firm stance on? We don't yet have enough info to know whether she had a murderous outburst or if it happened the way she said. There is enough conflicting info from neighbors who heard her say - "let me in!" How do you explain that?
Again, appreciate your POV - I'm trying to consider this from all angles.
Thank you!

 

[Via Marple]

very hard to believe it was murder--unless there are details we don't know about
why are they screaming murder..........................................................?

Very hard to believe it was not murder, unless there are details we don't know about.

So that is end of story this week. Bye!

Moo

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

The first 58 seconds is what I am asking you about.

That subject matter in and of itself, irrespective of the case details other than an arrest warrant for criminal homicide was signed by a judge and no True Bill has been handed down.

So, do you know Crim. P.?

If so, what do you think about the the assertions he makes and conclusions he leads listeners to thereupon arrive?

Who he is, the case details do not matter for the purposes of offering an opinion on what he is saying.

I do not know anything about this case
this guy is super boring/hard to understand/etc --monotone
who is this guy?? why should we listen to him?etc?

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

Gave two conflicting accounts to two separate LEO agencies.

Zero presumption extended to her for any reasonable and unbiased persons to believe anything she says and significantly STRONG presumption to assume her conflicting statements, constituting obstruction of justice, were calculated solely to evade a murder charge.

this is nowhere close to murder
she did not go there to murder/kill/etc
she did not go there to commit a crime
this was reckless action
she thought it was her place = reckless
Texas Manslaughter Laws - FindLaw

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

Hoss manure, a jury can convict her of a lesser included charge and you can bet their charge instructions would make that very clear.

not murder
that's why Casey Anthony was acquitted of murder--they charged too high
Zimmermann was manslaughter, not murder
if they charge her with murder, it will be easier for her to get acquitted--with a fair/smart jury

 

[Rocco]

this is nowhere close to murder
she did not go there to murder/kill/etc
she did not go there to commit a crime
this was reckless action
she thought it was her place = reckless
Texas Manslaughter Laws - FindLaw

Yes, going to the wrong apt was reckless.

Shooting him was not reckless---it was intentional.

Her gun didn't accidentally discharge. She meant to shoot him and she meant to kill him.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

Reckless with respect to arriving at the "wrong apartment" only if you believe only one of her two conflicting stories and then believe the other story was a careless error made by the affiant that swore sufficient cause to secure the first search warrant.

Do you?

Yes, going to the wrong apt was reckless.

 

[bronk4]

Very hard to believe it was not murder, unless there are details we don't know about.

So that is end of story this week. Bye!

Moo

what's the motive??
she has a reason to be in the complex--yes?
....could she possibly have wanted to kill him and went there for that purpose? sure--but I see no evidence of that yet

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

Care to speculate as to why dispatch advised a security guard shot the patient?

what's the motive??
she has a reason to be in the complex--yes?
....could she possibly have wanted to kill him and went there for that purpose? sure--but I see no evidence of that yet

 

[mickey2942]

I wish we could add a poll. Regarding whether or not we believe in the story.

1. Yes, I completely believe that Amber Guyger is a blonde airhead, who was exhausted from working a 13, 14, 15 hour shift, of catching criminals on the "elite" force. She walked to Mr. Jean's apartment door, put her key in the lock, the door swung open, she saw a man in the dark, ordered him to put his hands up, when he didn't comply, she had no alternatives but to shoot him. And when she walked into the apartment, she realized it was not her apartment.

2. No, I believe Amber Guyger went to Mr. Jean's apartment, dressed as a police officer, to intimidate him. In her role as "quasi security" for the apartment complex to follow up on visit from Manager earlier in the day. He was not sufficiently compliant, and in her anger, she shot him in cold blood.

I know which one I believe.

 

[bronk4]

Care to speculate as to why dispatch advised a security guard shot the patient?

advised SG?? what are you talking about?
advised SG shot patient?